Garda, nurses, teachers and doctor's pay

TheHillOfDoom · 15-03-2016 05:24PM

maudgonner wrote: »

Which I have never once done. So please don't quote me in that context.

Ok, so your points are:

A: Gardai do not have a dangerous job
B: Farmers do have a dangerous job

maudgonner · 15-03-2016 05:27PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Carelessness and stingyness usually.

Charming. There's the true colours. I really don't think it's worth continuing the argument with someone who displays so much callousness towards people who have died doing their jobs.

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 05:27PM

maudgonner wrote: »

Which I have never once done. So please don't quote me in that context.

Yes you did. You minimised it by mentioning signing licenses etc knowing that it is only a small part of their work. I would have done the same if i had stated that farmers spend their time sitting in farmhouses drinking tea. But i didn't resort to that.

maudgonner · 15-03-2016 05:28PM

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

Ok, so your points are:

A: Gardai do not have a dangerous job
B: Farmers do have a dangerous job

No, absolutely not. My points were that:

A: Gardai do have a dangerous job
B: Farmers do have a dangerous job

maudgonner · 15-03-2016 05:29PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes you did. You minimised it by mentioning signing licenses etc knowing that it is only a small part of their work. I would have done the same if i had stated that farmers spend their time sitting in farmhouses drinking tea. But i didn't resort to that.

Find the post where I did that. Seriously, go find it and quote me.

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 05:29PM

maudgonner wrote: »

Charming. There's the true colours. I really don't think it's worth continuing the argument with someone who displays so much callousness towards people who have died doing their jobs.

So you've conceded. Bye bye.

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 05:30PM

maudgonner wrote: »

Find the post where I did that. Seriously, go find it and quote me.

Apologies it was Marypants.

TheHillOfDoom · 15-03-2016 05:32PM

Well this has been quite the random wander down off-topic lane that I've had in a while. Funny what you see when you go off the beaten track.

maudgonner · 15-03-2016 05:32PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Apologies it was Marypants.

Right, maybe check your facts before jumping to conclusions about my attitude towards the Gardaí next time.

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 05:33PM

maudgonner wrote: »

Right, maybe check your facts before jumping to conclusions about my attitude towards the Gardaí next time.

Ohh matron.

Martypants1 · 15-03-2016 05:36PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Apologies it was Marypants.

Find it and quote me.

The majority of guards do not risk their lives everyday as you seem to think.

When you don't even know what risk means, kinda hard to explain anything to you.

And I have neither the time nor the crayons to do it.

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 05:40PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

Find it and quote me.

The majority of guards do not risk their lives everyday as you seem to think.

When you don't even know what risk means, kinda hard to explain anything to you.

And I have neither the time nor the crayons to do it.

Yes, signing that drivers licence photo or checking tax on that car, real dangerous stuff.
Post 235. And i know very well what "risk" means. Mind your crayons.

steddyeddy · 15-03-2016 06:30PM

Arkady wrote: »

Ireland is not competitive, average pay rates across all jobs, in all sectors, are much too high. Wealthy people will take their business and support of the mainstream political parties elsewhere, unless Irish workers cop on and responsibly pay the taxes/levies/charges and take less wages, instead of threatening to tax the wealthy in Ireland.

Have you got an example of this happening in Ireland?

steddyeddy · 15-03-2016 06:32PM

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

I agree with this. I think science is a good example of how this works. You get some people who don't work hard, don't research adequately and as a result miss out on funding. The good scientists are rewarded through increased funding.

15-03-2016 06:37PM

These kind of threads lack sense and meaning, we don't live in a society where remuneration reflects the value of you job to society.

Maybe it should reflect the value of you job, but that would take a revolution and a complete rebuilding of society from the bottom up can't see it happening any time soon.

steddyeddy · 15-03-2016 07:35PM

Ryan Tubs paid nearly half a mill in 2014. That isn't justified IMHO.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/rte-paid-ryan-tubridy-495000-in-2014-725392.html

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 08:34PM

Our nurses also deserve a lot more.
Pay them well and keep them at home rather than training them for working in Dubai, Australia or Canada.

maryishere · 15-03-2016 10:16PM

tayto lover wrote: »

keep them (nurses) at home rather than training them for working in Dubai, Australia or Canada.

The taxpayer subsidises the training of doctors and nurses to the tune of tens of thousands of euro. They should have to work here to repay at least some of that for a number of years after graduation.

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 10:19PM

maryishere wrote: »

The taxpayer subsidises the training of doctors and nurses to the tune of tens of thousands of euro. They should have to work here to repay at least some of that for a number of years after graduation.

Indeed but then treating them poorly because they owe us is just not right.
Pay them properly and then they pay their taxes here and not abroad.

Edward Hopper · 15-03-2016 10:21PM

maryishere wrote: »

The taxpayer subsidises the training of doctors and nurses to the tune of tens of thousands of euro. They should have to work here to repay at least some of that for a number of years after graduation.

2 things with regard to nurses. Firstly, the HSE has their labour for a whole year of their training for a tiny percentage of a qualified nurse, getting less each year, saving them thousands over the year. They make up the numbers on a ward, so instead of paying 4 fully qualified, they pay 3 and a pittance to the student.

Secondly, 3 years ago they couldn't get a meaningful contract in HSE hospitals when they qualified, the embargo meant they were on 30 day contracts. Hence the reason they all went abroad, and if they have any sense they'll stay there.

maryishere · 15-03-2016 10:24PM

I know health care professionals in secure jobs in Irish hospitals on 70k, 80k and 200k a year. And with great pensions to look forward to.

There are many people paid and treated "less properly" in this country.

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 10:25PM

maryishere wrote: »

I know health care professionals in secure jobs in Irish hospitals on 70k, 80k and 200k a year. And with great pensions to look forward to.

There are many people paid and treated "less properly" in this country.

Nurses?

xLisaBx · 15-03-2016 10:32PM

I'm a junior hospital biochemist. For the record, we are called Biomedical Scientists, and we are responsible for more deaths than doctors most years on average. And our wages aren't half that of a doctor, despite the same college modules, 5 years in college, with one main exception: Our junior year. Our junior year has us on 5 euro an hour compared to the "poor junior doctors" who make far more than that and actually have less responsibility.

maryishere · 15-03-2016 10:37PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Nurses?

health professionals I said.

But seeing as you mention nurses, according to figures released by the HSE in response to a freedom of information request, 70 nurses in 2012 earned over €100,000. Four earned over €140,000.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/four-staff-nurses-earned-over-140000-last-year-229997.html

tayto lover · 15-03-2016 10:41PM

maryishere wrote: »

health professionals I said.

But seeing as you mention nurses, according to figures released by the HSE in response to a freedom of information request, 70 nurses in 2012 earned over €100,000. Four earned over €140,000.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/four-staff-nurses-earned-over-140000-last-year-229997.html

What about the rest of them?

maryishere · 15-03-2016 10:46PM

What about the rest of us?

Edward Hopper · 15-03-2016 10:47PM

tayto lover wrote: »

What about the rest of them?

The other 60 odd thousand you mean?

osarusan · 15-03-2016 10:48PM

maryishere wrote: »

What about the rest of us?

Are you in favour of the rest of us needing to stay a few years to work and pay back our subsidised university education?

maudgonner · 15-03-2016 10:51PM

maryishere wrote: »

The taxpayer subsidises the training of doctors and nurses to the tune of tens of thousands of euro. They should have to work here to repay at least some of that for a number of years after graduation.

The taxpayer subsidises all third level education (of EU students) to a similar extent. So by that logic shouldn't all students be forced to work here for a number of years after graduation so that we can claw back that money through their taxes?

maryishere · 15-03-2016 11:02PM

There ain't no such thing as a free dinner. Someone somewhere has to pay for it.

In England / Wales many students have to pay many thousands each year in fees. If people get greatly subsidised education here they should pay something back to the hard pressed taxpayer here, pay something back in to the system.

Garda, nurses, teachers and doctor's pay

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