Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - General Thread

cletus · 10-03-2016 11:22pm

Fingers, and toes...and fingers and toes...and rinse and repeat. Big injuries to the ribs, shoulder, knee and bith ankles. I have issues with my hip and lower back due to one leg being longer than the other, and being stacked while trying to get an armbar from the guard definitely doesn't help. I also have problems with my right arm (broke it pretty badly, enough to require surgery and a plate), so that I'm much more likely to tap to a sub on my right than on my left

None of the above injuries have had anything to do with my 7 year hiatus from training, though, and they aren't impacting my attempt to get back either (this ****in 'flu is though)

Dtp1979 · 10-03-2016 11:25pm

cletus wrote: »

Fingers, and toes...and fingers and toes...and rinse and repeat. Big injuries to the ribs, shoulder, knee and bith ankles. I have issues with my hip due to one leg being longer than the other, and being stacked while trying to get an armbar from the guard definitely doesn't help.

None of the above injuries have had anything to do with my 7 year hiatus from training, though, and they aren't impacting my attempt to get back either (this ****in 'flu is though)

You weren't training for 7 years? How long are you back at it?

Dtp1979 · 10-03-2016 11:25pm

When is that palhares match on?

cletus · 10-03-2016 11:26pm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

You weren't training for 7 years? How long are you back at it?

About 3 weeks. Meetings plus flu last week and this mean no training. Hopefully next week though

cletus · 10-03-2016 11:27pm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

When is that palhares match on?

2nd of April

Mellor · 10-03-2016 11:39pm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

When is that palhares match on?

April 2nd, they released the full card recently.

Joao Miyao x Yukinori Sasa (GI)
Geo Martinez x Dan Covel (NO GI)
Darragh O Conaill x Jon Satava (GI)
Gezary Matuda x Laurence Fouillat (GI)
(Interval)
Bruno Frazatto x Gianni Grippo (GI)
Augusto Tanquinho x Eddie Cummings (NO GI)
AJ Agazarm x Jake Shields (NO GI)
Rousimar Palhares x Garry Tonon (NO GI)

Zero-Cool · 10-03-2016 11:52pm

Will that be a ppv top watch online or any UK channel showing it? Nice to have something on local time as well.

TitianGerm · 10-03-2016 11:54pm

Mellor wrote: »

April 2nd, they released the full card recently.

Joao Miyao x Yukinori Sasa (GI)
Geo Martinez x Dan Covel (NO GI)
Darragh O Conaill x Jon Satava (GI)
Gezary Matuda x Laurence Fouillat (GI)
(Interval)
Bruno Frazatto x Gianni Grippo (GI)
Augusto Tanquinho x Eddie Cummings (NO GI)
AJ Agazarm x Jake Shields (NO GI)
Rousimar Palhares x Garry Tonon (NO GI)

Nice to see Darragh get in again.

Dtp1979 · 10-03-2016 11:54pm

Mellor wrote: »

April 2nd, they released the full card recently.

Joao Miyao x Yukinori Sasa (GI)
Geo Martinez x Dan Covel (NO GI)
Darragh O Conaill x Jon Satava (GI)
Gezary Matuda x Laurence Fouillat (GI)
(Interval)
Bruno Frazatto x Gianni Grippo (GI)
Augusto Tanquinho x Eddie Cummings (NO GI)
AJ Agazarm x Jake Shields (NO GI)
Rousimar Palhares x Garry Tonon (NO GI)

Jesus darragh o Connell is in there with big names. Great to see

Dtp1979 · 10-03-2016 11:57pm

cletus wrote: »

About 3 weeks. Meetings plus flu last week and this mean no training. Hopefully next week though

So you've had No mma/bjj for 7 year and your back at it now? Sorry for prying, in a similar situation myself although not as long an absence from the sport. Really want to get back into it

Mellor · 11-03-2016 1:36am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Will that be a ppv top watch online or any UK channel showing it? Nice to have something on local time as well.

Pretty sure the main card is PPV. http://www.polaris-pro.org/pay-per-view-ppv/
There is a free undercard also.

Alain Pozo x Micah Atkinson (NO GI)
Vinicius de Castro x Greg Creel (GI)
Keith McKenzie x Jeff Lawson (GI)
Adam Adshead x Phil Harris (NO GI)
Travis Newaza x Ben Dyson (NO GI)

Only guy I know there is Travis Newaza .But had to lol at the guy called Phil Harris, somebody has to make the Phil Harris/Paul Harris connection in the coverage

cletus · 11-03-2016 6:51am

Dtp1979 wrote: »

So you've had No mma/bjj for 7 year and your back at it now? Sorry for prying, in a similar situation myself although not as long an absence from the sport. Really want to get back into it

Exactly. Your not prying at all. Just go for it. I've put competition, belts etc out of my head, along with pressure to get to class. I go when I can, I enjoy it, and I understand I'll be a perpetual blue belt

agent graves · 11-03-2016 11:48am

Are everyones injuries from sparring hard or competition?

TitianGerm · 11-03-2016 12:21pm

agent graves wrote: »

Are everyones injuries from sparring hard or competition?

I've done all my fingers and toes dislocation in training.

Muscle damage on my back at an open mat.

Shoulder in training.

Mat burn in comp.

I tend to roll very light (smallest guy in the club at 58kg) but a lot of the guys just Hulk through the move/position when against me and use their extra strength. Because of that I've built a very defensive game and tend to counter attack when they make a mistake.

Mellor · 11-03-2016 12:31pm

agent graves wrote: »

Are everyones injuries from sparring hard or competition?

My finger was in comp but it's minor really. Shoulder was an awkward fall in a roll. MCL was a heavier guy sprawling on me sideways when I was sitting out. It was open mat at a different club.

Dtp1979 · 11-03-2016 12:45pm

Friend of mine torn ligaments badly in his leg. Paul o Connell kinda bad

arybvtcw0eolkf · 11-03-2016 12:59pm

emmetkenny wrote: »

I've done all my fingers and toes dislocation in training.

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You've dislocated ALL your fingers and toes in training?.

TitianGerm · 11-03-2016 1:11pm

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

You've dislocated ALL your fingers and toes in training?.

No all the dislocations were done in training.

Little finger on my left pops out nearly every session now. Also done two on my right hand.

Dislocated my little toe on both feet aa well.

Dtp1979 · 11-03-2016 1:58pm

In my first week rolling, i had a guy in full guard. He (also a beginner) decided to use his elbows to open my guard but digging it into my kneecap. All I remember is watching my kneecap go from the centre of my knee to about 4 inches to the left and back again. A pain I'll never forget

Zero-Cool · 11-03-2016 3:19pm

Way to kill my buzz lads :pac:

arybvtcw0eolkf · 11-03-2016 4:13pm

emmetkenny wrote: »

No all the dislocations were done in training.

Little finger on my left pops out nearly every session now. Also done two on my right hand.

Dislocated my little toe on both feet aa well.

That's mad, I'd be taping those at every session.. You're f*cked if you ever try Judo grip fighting

I've never been hurt in BJJ or Wrestling training, lucky me.

But Judo is another story entirely. I couldn't even list all my sprains, fractures and small joint dislocations I've suffered.

Broken arms/elbows and esp shoulders would be common at Judo comps.

When I'm hurt I do more BJJ.

TitianGerm · 11-03-2016 4:26pm

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

That's mad, I'd be taping those at every session.. You're f*cked if you ever try Judo grip fighting

I've never been hurt in BJJ or Wrestling training, lucky me.

But Judo is another story entirely. I couldn't even list all my sprains, fractures and small joint dislocations I've suffered.

Broken arms/elbows and esp shoulders would be common at Judo comps.

When I'm hurt I do more BJJ.

Edit: I thought you meant tapping the bigger guys for power through everything and loosing the run of themselves.

I may start taping my fingers though. Might help a bit but the coach got in grip trainers and they seem to be helping.

I do.

Theres a white belt in the club at around 70kg whos had a few cage fights. He does not know how to do 50%. He rolls at full speed, massive pressure, powers through everything and forces every submission.

I pull gaurd, sweep, attempt something, let go move myself to a worse position to allow him to escape and continue that until time is up.

He gets tired after 5 minutes or so and then I'll tap him every minute or so for the next 10 minutes.

I love to flow from triangle, armbar, omaplata, shoulder lock and back just to play with him sometimes if he leaves a lot of room ill even try the odd GoGoplata from Omaplata to really piss him off

darced · 11-03-2016 7:15pm

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agent graves · 11-03-2016 10:57pm

i joined up and tried some jiu jitsu today.. relay enjoyed it... time flew. il def be keeping it up.

TitianGerm · 11-03-2016 11:11pm

agent graves wrote: »

i joined up and tried some jiu jitsu today.. relay enjoyed it... time flew. il def be keeping it up.

Stick with it. If you manage to stay the pace for the six months you'll keep going after that.

Enjoy it man !!

Subcomandante Marcos · 12-03-2016 12:49am

It's the most frustrating, self depreciating, ego checking, pain inflicting, time and thought consuming thing I've ever been involved in, and I fecking love it.

RonanP77 · 12-03-2016 10:14am

I hadn't realised it was so addictive until this week. I have pneumonia and pleurisy so I missed my double class on Tuesday and missing today. It's driving me crazy, its like I'm having withdrawl sysmtoms, I can't stop thinking about how much I'm missing out on.

I'm back at the doctors on Monday and I'm fairly sure he'll tell me to skip at least another week of it, if he does I'm going to have to go anyway, just to watch. At least if I was watching I might pick a few things up.

TitianGerm · 12-03-2016 10:59am

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It's the most frustrating, self depreciating, ego checking, pain inflicting, time and thought consuming thing I've ever been involved in, and I fecking love it.

It's like heroin but worse for your health

arybvtcw0eolkf · 12-03-2016 3:33pm

darced wrote: »

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That's why I train more BJJ when I'm injured.

Or when a Judoka is injured I'll often advise them to try some BJJ while they're recovering or just tell him to try some Judo newaza (ground work).

Btw are you throwing onto crash mats, judo mats or zig-saw mats?.

darced · 12-03-2016 10:39pm

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Subcomandante Marcos · 12-03-2016 10:46pm

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

That's why I train more BJJ when I'm injured.

Or when a Judoka is injured I'll often advise them to try some BJJ while they're recovering or just tell him to try some Judo newaza (ground work).

Btw are you throwing onto crash mats, judo mats or zig-saw mats?.

If anyone tried to throw me on a jigsaw mat I'd slap the **** out of them.

darced · 13-03-2016 12:59am

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cletus · 13-03-2016 1:02am

darced wrote: »

are you serious? 40mm ones.

I wouldn't be happy being thrown on a jigsaw mat.

As an aside, I find it a little odd that you do little to no drilling of throws, but you start all sparring from a position where you have to throw, or at least hit a takedown, to get to rolling

Subcomandante Marcos · 13-03-2016 1:12am

darced wrote: »

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100% serious.

All rolling on jigsaw mats should start from the ground. They aren't designed to do the same job as proper mats.

Either proper Judo or Wrestling mats if you're starting standing up. Or something like the big vinyl mat in SGB or the ones the various Gracie gyms use (Renzo, Rickson, Gracie Academy, etc all use the same design).

darced · 13-03-2016 1:29am

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Subcomandante Marcos · 13-03-2016 1:39am

I'll allow take downs on jigsaws no problem, but not throws. I'm not willing to risk injury on substandard equipment.

darced · 13-03-2016 1:53am

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Subcomandante Marcos · 13-03-2016 1:58am

darced wrote: »

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I'm old and narky.

Mellor · 13-03-2016 6:19am

We've proper mats throughout the club. the large rectangular ones, maybe 35-40mm. No problem being throw on them, but we usually start on knees in BJJ classes, due to numbers.
Wrestling sparring starts standing with out issue.

If I was drilling judo throws, especially if a new one, sometimes I get the crash mat out.

WarZ · 13-03-2016 6:37am

hey lads, hope this isn't considered a plug but a friend of mine has just started coaching in Ballymun and im pretty sure Ballinteer. He's a genuine brazilian blackbelt so if anyone wants details then PM me and ill send u on his number. Cheers

cletus · 13-03-2016 8:41am

Genuine Brazilian black belt - I remember when such a mythical beast was as rare as a reverse centaur

Mellor · 13-03-2016 10:17am

Is he Irish? Not that this matters in terms of his teaching abilities, I'm just curious as to how many Irish black belts there are these days. As cletus said, they were a rare beast for a long time. 10 years ago there were none. Everyone knows John was the first. I'm not even sure who was next. Chris Bowe and Daragh are the next two that spring to mind. I can't think of any others. Apologies if I'm missing anyone.
(In my defence, I don't live in Ireland)

cletus · 13-03-2016 11:08am

There are a number of them now, Feral Quinlan, Andy Ryan are two more. The guy who runs Husaria in Naas I think. I'm sure theres some down in Cork and up the North.

I assume he's Brazilian, the holiest of all holy grails

TitianGerm · 13-03-2016 11:09am

Mellor wrote: »

Is he Irish? Not that this matters in terms of his teaching abilities, I'm just curious as to how many Irish black belts there are these days. As cletus said, they were a rare beast for a long time. 10 years ago there were none. Everyone knows John was the first. I'm not even sure who was next. Chris Bowe and Daragh are the next two that spring to mind. I can't think of any others. Apologies if I'm missing anyone.
(In my defence, I don't live in Ireland)

Andy Ryan, Barry Oglesby and Liam Beechnnior are all BJJ black belts aren't they.

I think there are 6/7 more as well who been prompted in the last few years.

TitianGerm · 13-03-2016 11:15am

cletus wrote: »

There are a number of them now, Feral Quinlan, Andy Ryan are two more. The guy who runs Husaria in Naas I think. I'm sure theres some down in Cork and up the North.

I assume he's Brazilian, the holiest of all holy grails

Marizauz Domasat is the BB in Husaria. He a polish guy who trained under Montrero.

Others in Ireland I can think of Team Sapo head coach Cesar Silva Marcego in Ashbourne

Luis Fellipe Martins of De La Riva Ireland.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 13-03-2016 11:17am

Mellor wrote: »

I'm just curious as to how many Irish black belts there are these days. As cletus said, they were a rare beast for a long time. 10 years ago there were none. Everyone knows John was the first. I'm not even sure who was next.

Andy Ryan. And Andy was already a high level black belt Judoka before this.

And never mind black belts, I remember when this forum celebrated blue belts lol.

Mellor · 13-03-2016 12:26pm

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

Andy Ryan. And Andy was already a high level black belt Judoka before this.

And never mind black belts, I remember when this forum celebrated blue belts lol.

Ah can't believe I forgot Andy Ryan. Must be all the shitposting he does on FB

I didn't realise the others, Fergal, Liam, and Barry, had made it. IIRC Barry was a purple but when he was posting here last.

And Phoebe Full Overlap, I think I've seen that thread. It gets bumped every so often.

cletus · 13-03-2016 1:26pm

For your Sunday afternoon perusal

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057558818/7/#post99048771

arybvtcw0eolkf · 13-03-2016 1:46pm

Mellor wrote: »

Ah can't believe I forgot Andy Ryan. Must be all the shitposting he does on FB

I didn't realise the others, Fergal, Liam, and Barry, had made it. IIRC Barry was a purple but when he was posting here last.

And Makikomi, I think I've seen that thread. It gets bumped every so often.

There's a few black belts in Andy's.. Karl Roche plus Liam and Stephen O'Toole (brothers).

DrPhilG · 13-03-2016 1:50pm

Just randomly found this thread.

I've been training very sporadically in MMA for years, only in December started training regularly in BJJ. Love it, but currently injured. Pulled a quadratus lumborum a few weeks ago during a drill. Never even knew I had such a thing until I wrecked it.

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - General Thread

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