Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

Kev_2012 · 08-03-2016 05:21PM

Gamebred wrote: »

You have a yellow belt? wtf where do you train and what age are you

haha yeah, I trained with Waza Kai in Limerick years ago. think it went white, yellow, orange, green then blue and so on.

yourdeadwright wrote: »

A yellow belt in BJJ ??

Yeah probably a bit confusing from me there, I didn't train in BJJ. Twas japanese JJ, although the classes conpassed many different disciplines. Was also years ago haha

bur wrote: »

His JJ is actually serviceable while he has energy. Fight ended the way it did because Nate was boxing the head off him by the end and Conor took the simplest way out of the fight by offering the RNC.

Yeah probably. Maybe he knew he was beat and didn't want a time out before UFC 200

Irishcrx wrote: »

Very good spot actually , before Conor gets hit with that straight left I'm fairly sure Nate was throwing half shots to lure him in , I think he even slapped him accross the face and taunted him , Conor came at him and left himself open and that's when he hit him with the full force straight that pretty much KO'd him and led to the end of the fight.

Yeah, he wanted to rush the fight and have an early KO as usual. The second he wobbled and failed with the takedown, the fight was pretty much over.

Tazzimus · 08-03-2016 05:25PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

I'm watching MMA about 15 years and the first things I noticed is that he was off his game going to 170, but he looked decent in the first round although he was overstretching looking for a knockout and wasting a lot of energy.

However, Diaz is one tough SOB. He has deceptively strong punches and his ground game was excellent. Conor's ground game is rubbish. I honestly don't know how he is a brown belt in BJJ.

The first things you learn are don't give away your back ever and he didn't even attempt to drop his chin and attempt to stop Diaz from locking in the choke.

I'm glad this was a non title fight and at an uncomfortable weight for him. I guarantee that he will come back much much better as a result of this.

Having said all that, many of the UFC fighters are a bit clueless when it comes to Jiu jitsu basics! I have only a yellow belt (I missed 2 gradings due to injury :mad: ), but they seem to be devoid of basic submission reversals.

I'm sure if he was fresher and wasn't essentially out on his feet he might have had a better chance at reversing the sub. As it was he utilised that guillotine escape he used against Mendes again.

Diaz is definitely better on the ground, no one is disputing that; but to say his ground game is rubbish is a bit much..

irishguy1983 · 08-03-2016 05:38PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

It hasn't been overlooked. It's just been lost in the tonne of garbage posted in this thread over the last few days. He was gassed because he was putting everything into his punches. Every punch he threw was as much as he could put into it. That's what he means by inefficient . You throw 60 or 70 full force punches in 5 minutes and see how fit you feel after it.

Bottom line is he was gassed by round 2 - that is a joke.

I'm more familiar with tennis/rugby shall we say - if a professional tennis player was tired after 1 set I'd say that's a joke and you need to look at yourself - I couldn't care about words like efficient of inefficient.

Swashbuckler · 08-03-2016 05:57PM

irishguy1983 wrote: »

Bottom line is he was gassed by round 2 - that is a joke.

I'm more familiar with tennis/rugby shall we say - if a professional tennis player was tired after 1 set I'd say that's a joke and you need to look at yourself - I couldn't care about words like efficient of inefficient.

But it's not bottom line. You're completely oversimplifying. You can't compare mma with tennis or rugby. Two completely different animals. I'm pretty sure I'd manage a set of tennis handy enough. But throw me into an octagon and ask me to start swinging while the guy opposite me tries to take my head off and I'd manage about two minutes I would say.

Foxtrol · 08-03-2016 06:16PM

irishguy1983 wrote: »

Bottom line is he was gassed by round 2 - that is a joke.

I'm more familiar with tennis/rugby shall we say - if a professional tennis player was tired after 1 set I'd say that's a joke and you need to look at yourself - I couldn't care about words like efficient of inefficient.

The umpire doesn’t stop a tennis game during the first set if one person is winning by too much. That’s a stupid comparison.

McGregor gambled that he was going to finish Nate early and/or his gas tank would hold out. He clearly lost that bet.

J Mysterio · 08-03-2016 06:27PM

Gamebred wrote: »

There would be no reaction,the same way when he ko'd Aldo the blow ins werent posting about it.

You're obsessed with 'blow-ins'. Its really immature and frankly, embarassing. As if the fact that you nay have been involved in something (anything) for a slightly longer time period awarded you with some sort of ownership of ot to the exclusion of others. Do you want a medal?

I'd rather read posts by people asking 'what time is the fight is on?' then the elitist waffle that you post.

Gamebred · 08-03-2016 06:30PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

You're obsessed with 'blow-ins'. Its really immature and frankly, embarassing. As if the fact that you nay have been involved in something (anything) for a slightly longer time period awarded you with some sort of ownership of ot to the exclusion of others. Do you want a medal?

Cool story brah.

Swashbuckler · 08-03-2016 06:33PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

You're obsessed with 'blow-ins'. Its really immature and frankly, embarassing. As if the fact that you nay have been involved in something (anything) for a slightly longer time period awarded you with some sort of ownership of ot to the exclusion of others. Do you want a medal?

I'd rather read posts by people asking 'what time is the fight is on?' then the elitist waffle that you post.

There's a difference between new people to the sport and people who come in here just to look for a reaction in the McGregor forum. Maybe I'm wrong but when Gamebred says blowins it is in reference to the latter.

catrat12 · 08-03-2016 06:59PM

At the end of the day he took a huge risk that didnt pay off. He is still a world champion and a amazing athlete and competitor who has beaten huge names in the sport, if you had said ten years ago Ireland would of had a future ufc champion everyone would of laughed, maybe mc gregor does go overboard but he has earned my respect and has worked like a trojan to believe his dreams and to live the life, so i say fair play.

gallag · 08-03-2016 08:57PM

Haha, why do people assume your new to MMA because you are not a prolific poster in a relatively small subsection of a Irish based forum? Iv been a MMA fan for a long time!!! Literally remember waiting days to download ufc/pride events on kazza on a 28k modem lol

Martypants1 · 08-03-2016 09:39PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

There's a difference between new people to the sport and people who come in here just to look for a reaction in the McGregor forum. Maybe I'm wrong but when Gamebred says blowins it is in reference to the latter.

Says it all that you called it the McGregor forum!

onlyme! · 08-03-2016 09:48PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

Says it all that you called it the McGregor forum!

Conor could buy this site and rename it mcgregorboards.ie

Rayne Wooney · 08-03-2016 10:01PM

Do fighters have much extra income outside the UFC?

Just looking at the pay break down some on $10,000, $15,000, doesn't look to be very lucrative. The plastic surgery to fix your face at the end of each year would cost more :pac:

Swashbuckler · 08-03-2016 10:06PM

Martypants1 wrote: »

Says it all that you called it the McGregor forum!

Apologies. I meant McGregor thread.

Subcomandante Marcos · 08-03-2016 10:12PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Do fighters have much extra income outside the UFC?

Just looking at the pay break down some on $10,000, $15,000, doesn't look to be very lucrative. The plastic surgery to fix your face at the end of each year would cost more :pac:

Some do, some don't.
Paddy Holohan is a coach at SBG and will be the co-owner of the new Tallaght gym alongside Kavanagh and a few others for example.

A lot of them used to make more from sponsopships for wearing gear in their ring walk and post fight interviews than they did in fighter pay, Brendan Shaub made about 100-160K per fight for just sponsorships.

But the reebok deal has killed all that.

Ash.J.Williams · 08-03-2016 10:23PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

I'm watching MMA about 15 years and the first things I noticed is that he was off his game going to 170, but he looked decent in the first round although he was overstretching looking for a knockout and wasting a lot of energy.

However, Diaz is one tough SOB. He has deceptively strong punches and his ground game was excellent. Conor's ground game is rubbish. I honestly don't know how he is a brown belt in BJJ.

The first things you learn are don't give away your back ever and he didn't even attempt to drop his chin and attempt to stop Diaz from locking in the choke.

I'm glad this was a non title fight and at an uncomfortable weight for him. I guarantee that he will come back much much better as a result of this.

Having said all that, many of the UFC fighters are a bit clueless when it comes to Jiu jitsu basics! I have only a yellow belt (I missed 2 gradings due to injury :mad: ), but they seem to be devoid of basic submission reversals.

he was already gone!

irishguy1983 · 08-03-2016 10:44PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

But it's not bottom line. You're completely oversimplifying. You can't compare mma with tennis or rugby. Two completely different animals. I'm pretty sure I'd manage a set of tennis handy enough. But throw me into an octagon and ask me to start swinging while the guy opposite me tries to take my head off and I'd manage about two minutes I would say.

I think it is the bottom line - he needs to be able to go more than 2 rounds - it's as simple as that.

MMA requires 5 rounds and 5 minutes....Football requires you to be fit for 90 minutes....Rugby is 80 minutes...Do you think in other sports they tolerate someone saying they can only last 40% of what is required?

I get what you are saying and it is not quite as simple as above - however not far off it - he should be able to go for 25 mins or at the bloody least not be so tired after 2 rounds where it appeared he kind of tapped out a bit early and a bit too quickly - maybe because he was so tired.

Tazzimus · 08-03-2016 10:48PM

irishguy1983 wrote: »

I think it is the bottom line - he needs to be able to go more than 2 rounds - it's as simple as that.

It really, really isn't.

Try knocking someone out for 5 minutes with everything you've got while getting punched back and see how fresh you feel for the second 5 minutes..

I'd be amazed if you even lasted the first 3.

riffmongous · 08-03-2016 10:58PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

It really, really isn't.

Try knocking someone out for 5 minutes with everything you've got while getting punched back and see how fresh you feel for the second 5 minutes..

I'd be amazed if you even lasted the first 3.

You could apply that to any other sport too though, and you still have to be fit enough to last the entire game

irishguy1983 · 08-03-2016 10:59PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

It really, really isn't.

Try knocking someone out for 5 minutes with everything you've got while getting punched back and see how fresh you feel for the second 5 minutes..

I'd be amazed if you even lasted the first 3.

Why are you involving me?! Sure I'm not trained for that kind of activity - McGregor is meant to be - I understand it is gruelling but he should be able to go for more than 2 rounds and not look so tired.

irishguy1983 · 08-03-2016 11:02PM

riffmongous wrote: »

You could apply that to any other sport too though, and you still have to be fit enough to last the entire game

Exactly - imagine a player on a rugby or football player only lasting 20/30 minutes and his argument is 'Well I couldn't be expected to last any longer - I was running all over the place'....Eh that's what you train for!

Are they boxers are OK to say 'Could only last 3 rounds' - of course not - they train for 12 and if they are tired after 2/3 rounds please will have a go at them over their fitness.

Swashbuckler · 08-03-2016 11:03PM

irishguy1983 wrote: »

I think it is the bottom line - he needs to be able to go more than 2 rounds - it's as simple as that.

MMA requires 5 rounds and 5 minutes....Football requires you to be fit for 90 minutes....Rugby is 80 minutes...Do you think in other sports they tolerate someone saying they can only last 40% of what is required?

I get what you are saying and it is not quite as simple as above - however not far off it - he should be able to go for 25 mins or at the bloody least not be so tired after 2 rounds where it appeared he kind of tapped out a bit early and a bit too quickly - maybe because he was so tired.

Well on the tap he wasn't escaping that. Not a chance. That was as sinked in as it gets. Game over. Nothing to be gained by not tapping.

It's easy say he should be able to go 25 mins but it just doesn't work that way. There's a guy like Diaz punching you in the face, kneeing you to the chest and stomach etc. The gas tank will empty. Couple that with the other factors like Conor overloading on punches and it's no surprise he was wrecked.

The rugby or tennis analogy just doesn't work in this case.

irishguy1983 · 08-03-2016 11:04PM

Regarding the tennis analogy a professional player must be fit enough for 5 sets - they can't simply say after 3 sets 'gees I thought I'd win this in straight sets' - I'm too tired for the last 2.

Not acceptable.

irishguy1983 · 08-03-2016 11:06PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Well on the tap he wasn't escaping that. Not a chance. That was as sinked in as it gets. Game over. Nothing to be gained by not tapping.

It's easy say he should be able to go 25 mins but it just doesn't work that way. There's a guy like Diaz punching you in the face, kneeing you to the chest and stomach etc. The gas tank will empty. Couple that with the other factors like Conor overloading on punches and it's no surprise he was wrecked.

The rugby or tennis analogy just doesn't work in this case.

We will have to agree to disagree so but he should be fitter in my eyes and maybe should prepare better.

Tazzimus · 08-03-2016 11:14PM

irishguy1983 wrote: »

Why are you involving me?! Sure I'm not trained for that kind of activity - McGregor is meant to be - I understand it is gruelling but he should be able to go for more than 2 rounds and not look so tired.

I'm involving you because you seem to be unwavering in your opinion that he should last the 25 minutes despite all of his shots being pretty much full power and Nate trying to knock him out too.

A rugby player doesn't sprint up and down the pitch for the full 80 minutes trying to smash through everyone they can.

Tennis players don't hit every shot with the same power they'd serve with.

He chose a poor game plan trying to knock him out quickly, absorbed shots and was wore down because of it.

If he had of fought like Kavanagh was hoping he would have went much further than the second round.
He realises that now, he'll make sure he doesn't do it again.

Swashbuckler · 08-03-2016 11:16PM

irishguy1983 wrote: »

We will have to agree to disagree so but he should be fitter in my eyes and maybe should prepare better.

He fought Max Holloway for three rounds a few years back and was fresh as a daisy after. There are different types of fights. MMA is different to other sports in that sense.

I'll humour you for a second with the sports analogies so. You've seen five set tennis matches where a player looks fresh at the end and then other gruelling matches where they are absolutely wrecked. In rugby a player could take some massive hits during a game and he's no way lasting 80 mins.

McGregor is super fit. But there are other factors involved other than simply saying "he's a professional athlete, he should be fitter". But I have a feeling that yes, we will have to agree to disagree.

RedemptionZ · 08-03-2016 11:18PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

It really, really isn't.

Try knocking someone out for 5 minutes with everything you've got while getting punched back and see how fresh you feel for the second 5 minutes..

I'd be amazed if you even lasted the first 3.

Gassing after the first round isn't really acceptable. It means your entire game plan is knocking or subbing the opponent in the first round. Which is stupid. It shows a real lack of diversity in your game and is the kind of thing fighters who have more explosive athletic ability than skill use.

irishguy1983 · 08-03-2016 11:21PM

Swashbuckler wrote: »

He fought Max Holloway for three rounds a few years back and was fresh as a daisy after. There are different types of fights. MMA is different to other sports in that sense.

I'll humour you for a second with the sports analogies so. You've seen five set tennis matches where a player looks fresh at the end and then other gruelling matches where they are absolutely wrecked. In rugby a player could take some massive hits during a game and he's no way lasting 80 mins.

McGregor is super fit. But there are other factors involved other than simply saying "he's a professional athlete, he should be fitter". But I have a feeling that yes, we will have to agree to disagree.

I get that of course - a guy can sometimes not last 80 minutes in rugby and in tennis some 5 setters are worse that others of course. Some fights are far more gruelling, etc.

However if a player told me he was shattered after less than half a rugby match (we'll say 30 minutes) then no matter how physical the game was I'd tell him he's having a laugh and need to prepare better.

Tazzimus · 08-03-2016 11:22PM

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Gassing after the first round isn't really acceptable. It means your entire game plan is knocking or subbing the opponent in the first round. Which is stupid. It shows a real lack of diversity in your game and is the kind of thing fighters who have more explosive athletic ability than skill use.

I never said it was acceptable, I was just trying to explain why he did.

Like you just said, it was a stupid game plan, something he's aware of now and (hopefully) won't repeat

RedemptionZ · 08-03-2016 11:27PM

Tazzimus wrote: »

I never said it was acceptable, I was just trying to explain why he did.

Like you just said, it was a stupid game plan, something he's aware of now and (hopefully) won't repeat

Obviously nobody knows what is said behind closed doors and what Conor actually thinks or believes, but seeing the way he approached that fight it seems himself and SBG believed he truly had the left hook of Tyson. Because to be fair if he hit harder he would've knocked Nate out in the first. Learning you're not immortal won't be nice for Conor but he should become a better fighter from this. Knowing your limitations is extremely important.

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