Heroin

corner of hells · 26-02-2016 05:35PM

6541 wrote: »

A mad bizarre though crossed my little middle class mind today. I wonder what it is like to take Heroin ? Could one take it and not get addicted, like if you had a bucket list, visit some of the most amazing places in the world (Tick) go to Dublin to a tenement and shoot it up with a few how ya's (Tick)

I dunno OP , Ive a couple of friends in recovery , work in homeless/drug services in the city and have the experience of the devastation it causes ..I think I remember a statistic of one in ten who try it becoming addicted .

I can't ever remember hearing about anyone starting their heroin use with injecting though I could be wrong , most start off smoking with lots being involved in other types of drug use first.

Would it be worth it , just for the experience ,,I doubt it .

mynameis905 · 26-02-2016 05:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I admit that I'm very curious about how heroin feels. I'm interested in the effects prescription drugs have on our consciousness and indeed unconscious processes. A few years ago a friend gave me some concoction of valium and anti-depressants. It was the most amazing feeling. In fact there were no feelings. Any worries or fears or hurts all just melted away and I was suspended in a kind of soft and warm place.

I imagine that's how heroin must be like. Just warm nothingness.

Honestly, you experienced a placebo effect.

Anti-depressants need to be taken for at least 2 weeks before they have any mood altering effects - and those first few weeks are probably the least fun you can possibly imagine.

Regarding Valium, it will relieve anxiety but it's not a particularly 'nice' feeling. More of dopey, fuzzy-headed drowsiness that is not really all that pleasant. Reminds me of that feeling you get after drinking too much beer on a really hot day. Drowsy, dehydrated and cotton mouthed. The worst is that it has a half life measured in weeks so you're stuck feeling like crap for about 8 days or so afterwards.

Speedwell · 26-02-2016 05:37PM

I was under the impression trying heroin was such a terrible idea, anyway, that other terrible ideas were judged by how close they came to someone saying, "I'mma try heroin OK".

Speedwell · 26-02-2016 05:39PM

mynameis905 wrote: »

Honestly, you experienced a placebo effect.

Anti-depressants need to be taken for at least 2 weeks before they have any mood altering effects - and those first few weeks are probably the least fun you can possibly imagine.

That's news to me; Xanax (alprazolam) in particular has practically immediate onset (that's why they prescribe it as "when needed", for panic attacks and such). Your statement is broadly true of SSRIs, though. Also see: http://psychcentral.com/news/2008/07/07/some-antidepressants-work-quickly/2561.html

Simply Red · 26-02-2016 05:44PM

A guy trying it for the first time out of curiousity:

Speedwell · 26-02-2016 05:46PM

You could always search the Erowid website. https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.cgi?S1=27&S2=-1&C1=-1&Str=

I've never tried it, personally.

endacl · 26-02-2016 05:49PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Should read junk by wiliam burrows. Autobiographical account of how to take heroin without building up addiction ... He did end up a junkie though

So... Not really an account of how to take heroin without becoming addicted, then...?

mynameis905 · 26-02-2016 05:51PM

Speedwell wrote: »

That's news to me; Xanax (alprazolam) in particular has practically immediate onset (that's why they prescribe it as "when needed", for panic attacks and such). Your statement is broadly true of SSRIs, though. Also see: http://psychcentral.com/news/2008/07/07/some-antidepressants-work-quickly/2561.html

Xanax is not an anti-depressant. It is a fast acting anxiolytic and a (potentially) nasty one at that. It's probably the most recreational of all the benzos, hence the huge demand for it on the street and the fact that the NHS refuses to prescribe it anymore.

the evasion_kid · 26-02-2016 06:00PM

ive known a few lose their lives from it,a few who escaped it clutches but ive seen far more alcoholics go off the end of the harbour of life...probably due to the job i was in at the time and the town i was born in has a lot of roaring alcos,that town was the ruination of many a man...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APrpB-i4d_E

the evasion_kid · 26-02-2016 06:02PM

mynameis905 wrote: »

Xanax is not an anti-depressant. It is a fast acting anxiolytic and a (potentially) nasty one at that. It's probably the most recreational of all the benzos, hence the huge demand for it on the street and the fact that the NHS refuses to prescribe it anymore.

benzo withdrawal is supposed to be a living nightmare,the effects last months,easily bought across the counter here in south east asia

Speedwell · 26-02-2016 06:14PM

mynameis905 wrote: »

Xanax is not an anti-depressant. It is a fast acting anxiolytic and a (potentially) nasty one at that. It's probably the most recreational of all the benzos, hence the huge demand for it on the street and the fact that the NHS refuses to prescribe it anymore.

Sure, and did you not read the article I linked?

mynameis905 · 26-02-2016 06:45PM

Speedwell wrote: »

Sure, and did you not read the article I linked?

The study in the article you linked to has more holes that a block of swiss cheese

But it does not take weeks for this change to happen. Prof Cowen and his colleagues gave 30 depressed people one single 4mg dose of reboxetine – which inhibits the update of both serotonin and noradrenaline in the brain – and compared them with 30 ‘controls’ who were given a placebo or dummy pill.

The researchers asked both groups to carry out a series of simple tasks, including picking out the ‘happy’ facial expression from a line of faces, and recalling positive rather than negative words. They found that the placebo group were poor at spotting happy faces. They also tended to remember the negative words and were slow to categorize positive information.

Antidepressants affect mood indirectly by abolishing the negative bias in the way that depressed people appraise personal and social experience at a subconscious level.

a) Reboxetine is an Nor-epinephrine reuptake inhibitor. It has a negligible effect on serotonin.
b) They found that the placebo group was better at recognising faces and had a slight bias in remembering negative over positive. Hardly an instant cure for depression
c) The last paragraph is not remotely how anti-depressants work.
d) The anti-depressant in question (Reboxetine) is generally considered to do jack-shít for depression. It did so poorly in tests that the manufacturer failed to publish about 75% of trial data. The BMJ later did a meta-analysis of 13 studies and eventually came to the conclusion that Reboxetine is, overall, an ineffective and potentially harmful antidepressant. Published evidence is affected by publication bias, underlining the urgent need for mandatory publication of trial data.

darkpagandeath · 26-02-2016 06:57PM

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Andre 3000 · 26-02-2016 07:00PM

Don't do drugs mkaaayy because drugs are bad mkaaayy

recylingbin · 26-02-2016 07:08PM

6541 wrote: »

A mad bizarre though crossed my little middle class mind today. I wonder what it is like to take Heroin ? Could one take it and not get addicted, like if you had a bucket list, visit some of the most amazing places in the world (Tick) go to Dublin to a tenement and shoot it up with a few how ya's (Tick)

If you're properly middle class, you'll be grand.

Turtyturd · 26-02-2016 07:09PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

benzo withdrawal is supposed to be a living nightmare,the effects last months,easily bought across the counter here in south east asia

Would be fairly common over here. Almost every junkie I have come across in work would also have a benzo addiction. As you said, some horrific accounts of them getting off it.

recylingbin · 26-02-2016 07:18PM

Chris Morris wrote:

Luckily, the amount of heroin I use is harmless, I inject about once a month on a purely recreational basis. Fine. But what about other people less stable, less educated, less middle-class than me? Builders or blacks for example. If you're one of those, my advice is leave well alone. Good luck

One of my favourite quotes ever.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 26-02-2016 09:33PM

mynameis905 wrote: »

Honestly, you experienced a placebo effect.

Anti-depressants need to be taken for at least 2 weeks before they have any mood altering effects - and those first few weeks are probably the least fun you can possibly imagine.

Regarding Valium, it will relieve anxiety but it's not a particularly 'nice' feeling. More of dopey, fuzzy-headed drowsiness that is not really all that pleasant. Reminds me of that feeling you get after drinking too much beer on a really hot day. Drowsy, dehydrated and cotton mouthed. The worst is that it has a half life measured in weeks so you're stuck feeling like crap for about 8 days or so afterwards.

Maybe it's different for each person.
Sleeping tablets (zopiclone) would leave me feeling drunk and the entire next day would leave me with an awful iron taste in my mouth, and feeling hungover.
Valium was an entirely different story. Man I love Valium. You'd just feel all your problems ****ing off, you'd feel relaxed, like someone wrapped you up in a feelings proof blanket, you're warm and fuzzy and drop off to a place where there were no ****s.
I can totally see why they might be addictive. I played around with them for a bit but wouldn't touch them again because they were amazing.

Chain Smoker · 26-02-2016 09:50PM

It depends on the antidepressants surely, I've been on ones where the second and third day were FANTASTIC (but among the most unproductive days of my life, I was too blissed out to eat, even) and then they levelled out from there.

Chris_Bradley · 26-02-2016 09:56PM

Tsipras wrote: »

I don't think it's any more addictive than alcohol.. both pretty addictive

Ridiculous comment.

mynameis905 · 27-02-2016 09:18AM

Chain Smoker wrote: »

It depends on the antidepressants surely, I've been on ones where the second and third day were FANTASTIC (but among the most unproductive days of my life, I was too blissed out to eat, even) and then they levelled out from there.

Nope.

Placebo effect.

the evasion_kid · 27-02-2016 09:42AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Would be fairly common over here. Almost every junkie I have come across in work would also have a benzo addiction. As you said, some horrific accounts of them getting off it.

recovering alcos also love them,they act on the same receptor in the brain,doctors prefer to prescribe librium for alcohol withdrawal instead of xanax,valium,it has a long half life

BalcombeSt4 · 27-02-2016 04:17PM

Bruthal wrote: »

Car crashes kill far more than russian roulette. Its not because car driving is more dangerous though.

Lmao. But millions of people drive cars everyday, if millions of people played russian roulette everday there would be a lot more dead. That's one of the strangest comparsions I've ever seen.

BalcombeSt4 · 27-02-2016 04:23PM

mynameis905 wrote: »

Honestly, you experienced a placebo effect.

Anti-depressants need to be taken for at least 2 weeks before they have any mood altering effects - and those first few weeks are probably the least fun you can possibly imagine.

Regarding Valium, it will relieve anxiety but it's not a particularly 'nice' feeling. More of dopey, fuzzy-headed drowsiness that is not really all that pleasant. Reminds me of that feeling you get after drinking too much beer on a really hot day. Drowsy, dehydrated and cotton mouthed. The worst is that it has a half life measured in weeks so you're stuck feeling like crap for about 8 days or so afterwards.

I don't know what Valium you've been taking but the Diazepam I'm prescribed takes about 20 - 40 mins to kick in, it doesn't really feel like being drunk & it doesn't make me feel like crap for a week+ after the effects wear off.

Bruthal · 27-02-2016 04:46PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Lmao. But millions of people drive cars everyday, if millions of people played russian roulette everday there would be a lot more dead. That's one of the strangest comparsions I've ever seen.

Yes, and you said

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Except Alcohol kills much more people & barely anyone has ever died from pharmacuticale grade Heroin (Diamorphine).

If there were as many heroin users, as alcohol users, id say there would be a few more heroin related deaths.

LDN_Irish · 27-02-2016 04:53PM

Bruthal wrote: »

If there were as many heroin users, as alcohol users, id say there would be a few more heroin related deaths.

Well, as things stand it seems it's a lot easier to overdose on heroin. But there are a lot of factors involved like fluctuating purity and throwing other CNS depressants like benzos and alcohol in the mix to potentiate heroin which is often because the quality of street heroin is very poor.

Interestingly, methadone overdose has been causing more deaths than heroin overdose in recent years and I'm sure this is because users are more likely to throw benzos and drink on a methadone buzz to get the euphoria that heroin alone would bring.

All the same, I'd agree that if heroin was as common as alcohol it would likely cause more deaths than it. But I think if it was controlled it (and other opiates/opioids) would cause less deaths than they do now.

Bruthal · 27-02-2016 05:00PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

All the same, I'd agree that if heroin was as common as alcohol it would likely cause more deaths than it. But I think if it was controlled it (and other opiates/opioids) would cause less deaths than they do now.

That was my point anyway, the poster claimed alcohol kills loads, while heroin kills hardly anyone, which seemed to be claiming heroin, is safer than alcohol. That seems unlikely, even without impurities.

smurgen · 27-02-2016 05:42PM

daRobot wrote: »

What's interesting about Heroin, in Ireland and the UK, is that it's consumed by the very lowest socio-economic group, where as in Eastern Europe at least, there are a lot of middle class intellectual types who are into it.

When I was in Geneva heroin was listed as the second most popular illegal drugs used by professionals,i couldn't believe it.

BalcombeSt4 · 28-02-2016 04:35PM

Bruthal wrote: »

Yes, and you said

If there were as many heroin users, as alcohol users, id say there would be a few more heroin related deaths.

But I was talking about medical grade Heroin - Diamorphine. Not street Heroin.

BalcombeSt4 · 28-02-2016 04:48PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Interestingly, methadone overdose has been causing more deaths than heroin overdose in recent years and I'm sure this is because users are more likely to throw benzos and drink on a methadone buzz to get the euphoria that heroin alone would bring.

.

I think it's also people looking to get a cheap quick opiate high & have now idea how much they should take & take like 50ML's when 10ML's would be moore than enough.

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