Heroin

6541

A mad bizarre though crossed my little middle class mind today. I wonder what it is like to take Heroin ? Could one take it and not get addicted, like if you had a bucket list, visit some of the most amazing places in the world (Tick) go to Dublin to a tenement and shoot it up with a few how ya's (Tick)

Tsipras

I don't think it's any more addictive than alcohol.. both pretty addictive

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I used to be friends with a guy that used to take it. To look at him, never in a million years would you ever guess he was addicted to it. Now he wasn't when I knew him but beforehand. He told me it was the best feeling in the world, that the best times he had, the most fun he had, was while he was taking it.
But apparently the first time you take it is the best time, that it doesn't get any better or even the same the next few times to take it.

Another girl I know smoked it once at a house party, she passed out and was very sick. It wasn't a nice experience for her at all and she was terrified to ever touch it again.

Speedwell

You can always ask your doctor to give you morphine the next time you're in the hospital. No? Then you don't really want the feeling of being on heroin, you want the experience that you think goes with it.

Menas

Tsipras wrote: »

I don't think it's any more addictive than alcohol.. both pretty addictive

Eh....Heroin is a semi-synthetic opioid that reproduces the effects of opium, a substance derived from the opium poppy (Papaver somniferum). When you inject, snort, or smoke heroin, the specialized opioid receptors in the brain and nervous system respond by triggering a potent release of dopamine, a neurotransmitter that generates feelings of pleasure or euphoria. Once the brain gets used to the euphoric rush that heroin produces, the user can experience intense cravings for the drug.
How is that similar to alcohol?

Well it's clearly addictive for many...but know people who say they've tried it and said they don't feel the need to try it again.

I think it all comes down to environment, if you're unhappy in some squat in a city and you try it, you will be stuck in that environment with the temptation to try it again. If you're in a good place in life and you try it for curiosity, you might be less likely to end up strung out and toothless.

Icaras

You wont know unless you try it. If you think the reward outweighs the risk the go for it but I don't know too many heroine users/addicts that are useful members of society. Come to think of it I don't know any users/acdicts that are happy.


Btw I don't know many heroine users/acdicts maybe between 5 and 10 people.

Speedwell

Menas wrote: »

Eh....Heroin is a semi-synthetic opioid that reproduces the effects of opium, a substance derived from the opium poppy (Papaver somniferum). When you inject, snort, or smoke heroin, the specialized opioid receptors in the brain and nervous system respond by triggering a potent release of dopamine, a neurotransmitter that generates feelings of pleasure or euphoria. Once the brain gets used to the euphoric rush that heroin produces, the user can experience intense cravings for the drug.
How is that similar to alcohol?

I just had a quick Google on the search term "alcohol and dopamine" (including the quotes). Turns out there is a lot of similarity.

Tilly

It's a disgusting dirty drug that i wouldn't even have on my radar to stick it on my bucket list.

R P McMurphy

Should read junk by wiliam burrows. Autobiographical account of how to take heroin without building up addiction ... He did end up a junkie though

I said

Why would you want to take something that has been cut with any amount of unknown mixers and has probably been swallowed and sh1t out by some drugs mule by the time you want to snort or inject it?

BoJack Horseman

6541 wrote: »

I wonder what it is like to take Heroin?

If you've ever been on morphine you will know that it feels f*cking great.

Flint Fredstone

"You see, the thing about heroin is, it's incredibly moreish" - Harry Hill.

Flint Fredstone

Tilly wrote: »

It's a disgusting dirty drug that i wouldn't even have on my radar to stick it on my bucket list.

It's not really if you're doing it on a one off, bucket list ticking exercise.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

It's not really if you're doing it on a one off, bucket list ticking exercise.

It's not a drug to **** around with. You won't win that battle

Tilly

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

It's not really if you're doing it on a one off, bucket list ticking exercise.

Ok, let me know how you get on

not yet

6541 wrote: »

A mad bizarre though crossed my little middle class mind today. I wonder what it is like to take Heroin ? Could one take it and not get addicted, like if you had a bucket list, visit some of the most amazing places in the world (Tick) go to Dublin to a tenement and shoot it up with a few how ya's (Tick)

Story bud...

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Flint Fredstone

LexieOnRale wrote: »

It's not a drug to **** around with. You won't win that battle

As I said, a bucket list ticking exercise. I never said anything about a battle.

Boom_Bap

Take a handful of rat poison. Mix with a bit of washing powder.
Take the dried powders and apply a layer of bleech then season with a bit of baking soda. Any other whitish looking powders lying around, chuck em in.
Put this in the microwave for about 3 hours to dry out.
Sprinkle in a bit of sh*tty bottom of the barrel heroin.

You really want to put this in your body?

charlietheminxx

Having lost a family member to it, I can tell you than even if I was going to die tomorrow, I still wouldn't want to try it today. It's a disgusting drug that ruins not just the lives of the user, but everyone around them.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

As I said, a bucket list ticking exercise. I never said anything about a battle.

Maybe it's just me but turning myself into a zombie even for a short time doesn't sound like a once in a life time opportunity. In fact, it sounds really really lame

PokeHerKing

I smoked a fair whack of opium in S.E Asia in my early twenties. Great buzz but always mixed with drink and weed. So rarely a solitary opium high.

Came home 6 months later and never even consider going into an inner city kip to pick up some heroin.

Still drink a lot and smoke weed occasionally. Go figure.

mynameis905

Tilly wrote: »

It's a disgusting dirty drug that i wouldn't even have on my radar to stick it on my bucket list.

I hope you never find yourself suffering from severe pain or terminal cancer.

Calibos

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

If you've ever been on morphine you will know that it feels f*cking great.

Really? I'm assuming I've been on morphine after an operation under general anaesthetic. I just felt a bit dopey for a few hours afterwards. I also double dosed Nurofen+ and Solpedeine for 10 days straight for a wisdom tooth extraction dry socket and had zero withdrawals. I must not be very sensitive to opioids.

charlietheminxx

mynameis905 wrote: »

I hope you never find yourself suffering from severe pain or terminal cancer.

Being administered morphine in a medical capacity is not the same as smacking up on grotty heroin cut with feck knows what to get out of your skull.

mynameis905

Calibos wrote: »

Really? I'm assuming I've been on morphine after an operation under general anaesthetic. I just felt a bit dopey for a few hours afterwards. I also double dosed Nurofen+ and Solpedeine for 10 days straight for a wisdom tooth extraction dry socket and had zero withdrawals. I must not be very sensitive to opioids.

I'm no anesthetist but I believe that it's mostly a combination of midazolam & fentanyl used to knock people out for operations. Certainly was in my case. Fentanyl is far more potent than heroin/morphine but strangely it doesn't produce the same euphoria. Neither does codeine for that matter.

mrcheez

Menas wrote: »

Once the brain gets used to the euphoric rush that heroin produces, the user can experience intense cravings for the drug.
How is that similar to alcohol?

You clearly haven't tried Glenmorangie Nectar D'Or

charlietheminxx

charlietheminxx wrote: »

Having lost a family member to it, I can tell you than even if I was going to die tomorrow, I still wouldn't want to try it today. It's a disgusting drug that ruins not just the lives of the user, but everyone around them.

If you were dying of cancer. You would definitely take it for pain relief. Diamorphine/morphine is a fantastic drug for in healthcare.

Buona Fortuna

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I used to be friends with a guy that used to take it. To look at him, never in a million years would you ever guess he was addicted to it. Now he wasn't when I knew him but beforehand. He told me it was the best feeling in the world, that the best times he had, the most fun he had, was while he was taking it.
But apparently the first time you take it is the best time, that it doesn't get any better or even the same the next few times to take it.

That's what scares my middle class, middle aged, conservative ass. If it was that good, why wouldn't you do it again aside, from any addiction, I'd just want to do it again and again and ...


BTW - could you spare something for a cup of tea, not for me its the little dog

Flint Fredstone

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Maybe it's just me but turning myself into a zombie even for a short time doesn't sound like a once in a life time opportunity. In fact, it sounds really really lame

Do you think people go back for more because it's a horrible experience for them?

valoren

It's the first one that does the damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUngLgGRJpo

Tilly

mynameis905 wrote: »

I hope you never find yourself suffering from severe pain or terminal cancer.

Hmmmmm...... If you only knew me!

wakka12

Tsipras wrote: »

I don't think it's any more addictive than alcohol.. both pretty addictive

no, not even comparable in terms of addictiveness

Your Face

Silly thread.

The_fever

I was a fully functioning intravenous heroin user for a few years. Shirt and tie the whole lot. I never thought it would bring me to the places it did. Still managed to hold down job and life, mind you I went missing for spells. Believe it or not the euohoria wares off and you just feel angry where you used to feel bliss. Clean now a good few years thanks to meetings. Yea I still think of it on occasion when the going gets tough, the sweet release, but it is too hard to stop so thankfully I haven't. It is far too addictive to mess with I think.

Turtyturd

Fairly sure you could use it occasionally without getting addicted, even being a functioning addict is possible but requires a very specific set of circumstances. Unfortunately with anyone I know who uses it (and most run of the mill addicts) there's underlying reasons for the use, and the feeling of numbness is as much of an addiction.

JohnCleary

This is one of the most worrying threads i've read on boards in a long time.

Bucket list? Do a parachute jump ffs

Wibbs

wakka12 wrote: »

no, not even comparable in terms of addictiveness

I'd bet they're not too far apart. In some people anyway. IE an addict of both would show pretty similar needs. However it would be clearly more easy to become addicted to opiates. Hell, they had to restrict the sale of codeine based over the counter meds because people were chugging them like sweets. I knew one woman who was necking ten solpadeine per day. :eek: And an addiction councillor chap I knew told me that wasn't a particularly bad case at the time. A lot easier to hide socially too. I've had morphine for pain years back and the buzz I got from it wasn't so much a high, more a feeling of relaxation and a feeling of contentment and I could see how that could be very psychologically addictive alright. Never mind physically.

One diff between heroin and alcohol that not a lot of folks realise are the withdrawal symptoms. Heroin cold turkey withdrawal can be a hell and films and such use it for dramatic effect, but unless you've underlying health issues you're very unlikely to die from it. However, alcohol cold turkey withdrawal can be very dangerous and can kill you stone dead. I'm not talking about winos on the street either. Someone who has built up a long term daily use tolerance to the stuff can be in the danger zone very easily. I knew a woman who had a "bottle of white wine watching the telly of an evening" usage level who ended up hospitalised when she stopped suddenly. No way would she have seen herself as an alcoholic, but…

thattequilagirl

If I live to 75...

Elemonator

Wouldn't recommend it OP. You are falling into the "one time can't hurt me" trap. If you take it, you'll want it again and that's how you become hooked. The first time is the best time and each high isn't as good as the last.

You can't miss what you never had.

Tsipras

wakka12 wrote: »

no, not even comparable in terms of addictiveness

Alcohol consumption in Ireland almost trebled between 1960 and 2001, rising from 4.9 litres of pure alcohol per person aged 15 and over to 14.3 litres.

Yeah not addictive at all :rolleyes:

I agree with the post above btw- don't try it, I'd say the same to someone who hasn't drank alcohol

Trees Lounge

Op's curiosity gets the better of him and he tries heroin to tick off his 'bucket list'...one year later he's living in a squat and selling his ass to get a fix!

Funnily enough I was listening to The Needle and the Spoon by Lyrnyrd Skynrd last night. some good tunes about heroin

6541

The thing that I notice about Heroin is that it used to be a Dublin problem, but its now all over the place. Even in small towns on the west coast.

This is the best explanation of it I've ever come across:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9huWlXFA1s

jiltloop

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Should read junk by wiliam burrows. Autobiographical account of how to take heroin without building up addiction ... He did end up a junkie though

The book isn't about how to take up heroin without getting addicted.

It's a semi autobiographical account of his battle with heroin addiction. There are no references to trying not to be addicted to it, it's more a document of addiction.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Britain and Canada use medical heroin (diamorphine) in palliative care treatment.

LDN_Irish

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Britain and Canada use medical heroin (diamorphine) in palliative care treatment.

The NHS also often uses it for pain relief during labour.

Edit: in the US you can go in for a tooth extraction and get oxycodone. The only person I know who got a prescription for oxycodone here I'm Ireland was for terminal cancer. Britain seems to fall somewhere in the middle of these attitudes.

the evasion_kid

Wibbs wrote: »

I'd bet they're not too far apart. In some people anyway. IE an addict of both would show pretty similar needs. However it would be clearly more easy to become addicted to opiates. Hell, they had to restrict the sale of codeine based over the counter meds because people were chugging them like sweets. I knew one woman who was necking ten solpadeine per day. :eek: And an addiction councillor chap I knew told me that wasn't a particularly bad case at the time. A lot easier to hide socially too. I've had morphine for pain years back and the buzz I got from it wasn't so much a high, more a feeling of relaxation and a feeling of contentment and I could see how that could be very psychologically addictive alright. Never mind physically.

One diff between heroin and alcohol that not a lot of folks realise are the withdrawal symptoms. Heroin cold turkey withdrawal can be a hell and films and such use it for dramatic effect, but unless you've underlying health issues you're very unlikely to die from it. However, alcohol cold turkey withdrawal can be very dangerous and can kill you stone dead. I'm not talking about winos on the street either. Someone who has built up a long term daily use tolerance to the stuff can be in the danger zone very easily. I knew a woman who had a "bottle of white wine watching the telly of an evening" usage level who ended up hospitalised when she stopped suddenly. No way would she have seen herself as an alcoholic, but…

thats because constant alcohol use changes the central nervous system ie it adjusts to the relaxing effects of alcohol,stop drinking and synapses start firing off all over the place,blood pressure goes through the roof and usually ends up with the alcoholic going into fits or delirium tremens.opiod antangonists bind around the brain receptors and stop the release of endorphins from both alcohol and heroin,i believe they are testing it on gambling addicts too.

daRobot

What's interesting about Heroin, in Ireland and the UK, is that it's consumed by the very lowest socio-economic group, where as in Eastern Europe at least, there are a lot of middle class intellectual types who are into it.

LDN_Irish

daRobot wrote: »

What's interesting about Heroin, in Ireland and the UK, is that it's consumed by the very lowest socio-economic group, where as in Eastern Europe at least, there are a lot of middle class intellectual types who are into it.

You get that in Britain too but the stigma is so bad that nobody would ever tell it. I'm sure it's the same in Ireland but I could swear under oath that the former is true which I couldn't do for here.

DEFTLEFTHAND

daRobot wrote: »

What's interesting about Heroin, in Ireland and the UK, is that it's consumed by the very lowest socio-economic group, where as in Eastern Europe at least, there are a lot of middle class intellectual types who are into it.

Can they get away with prolonged use and still be productive though? It strikes me as a drug that eventually takes over your entire life and has the potential to destroy it.