Heroin

Tilly · 26-02-2016 12:28PM

mynameis905 wrote: »

I hope you never find yourself suffering from severe pain or terminal cancer.

Hmmmmm...... If you only knew me!

wakka12 · 26-02-2016 12:36PM

Tsipras wrote: »

I don't think it's any more addictive than alcohol.. both pretty addictive

no, not even comparable in terms of addictiveness

Your Face · 26-02-2016 12:38PM

Silly thread.

The_fever · 26-02-2016 12:47PM

I was a fully functioning intravenous heroin user for a few years. Shirt and tie the whole lot. I never thought it would bring me to the places it did. Still managed to hold down job and life, mind you I went missing for spells. Believe it or not the euohoria wares off and you just feel angry where you used to feel bliss. Clean now a good few years thanks to meetings. Yea I still think of it on occasion when the going gets tough, the sweet release, but it is too hard to stop so thankfully I haven't. It is far too addictive to mess with I think.

Turtyturd · 26-02-2016 12:51PM

Fairly sure you could use it occasionally without getting addicted, even being a functioning addict is possible but requires a very specific set of circumstances. Unfortunately with anyone I know who uses it (and most run of the mill addicts) there's underlying reasons for the use, and the feeling of numbness is as much of an addiction.

JohnCleary · 26-02-2016 01:14PM

This is one of the most worrying threads i've read on boards in a long time.

Bucket list? Do a parachute jump ffs

Wibbs · 26-02-2016 01:14PM

wakka12 wrote: »

no, not even comparable in terms of addictiveness

I'd bet they're not too far apart. In some people anyway. IE an addict of both would show pretty similar needs. However it would be clearly more easy to become addicted to opiates. Hell, they had to restrict the sale of codeine based over the counter meds because people were chugging them like sweets. I knew one woman who was necking ten solpadeine per day. :eek: And an addiction councillor chap I knew told me that wasn't a particularly bad case at the time. A lot easier to hide socially too. I've had morphine for pain years back and the buzz I got from it wasn't so much a high, more a feeling of relaxation and a feeling of contentment and I could see how that could be very psychologically addictive alright. Never mind physically.

One diff between heroin and alcohol that not a lot of folks realise are the withdrawal symptoms. Heroin cold turkey withdrawal can be a hell and films and such use it for dramatic effect, but unless you've underlying health issues you're very unlikely to die from it. However, alcohol cold turkey withdrawal can be very dangerous and can kill you stone dead. I'm not talking about winos on the street either. Someone who has built up a long term daily use tolerance to the stuff can be in the danger zone very easily. I knew a woman who had a "bottle of white wine watching the telly of an evening" usage level who ended up hospitalised when she stopped suddenly. No way would she have seen herself as an alcoholic, but…

thattequilagirl · 26-02-2016 01:16PM

If I live to 75...

Elemonator · 26-02-2016 01:28PM

Wouldn't recommend it OP. You are falling into the "one time can't hurt me" trap. If you take it, you'll want it again and that's how you become hooked. The first time is the best time and each high isn't as good as the last.

You can't miss what you never had.

Tsipras · 26-02-2016 01:29PM

wakka12 wrote: »

no, not even comparable in terms of addictiveness

Alcohol consumption in Ireland almost trebled between 1960 and 2001, rising from 4.9 litres of pure alcohol per person aged 15 and over to 14.3 litres.

Yeah not addictive at all :rolleyes:

I agree with the post above btw- don't try it, I'd say the same to someone who hasn't drank alcohol

Trees Lounge · 26-02-2016 01:32PM

Op's curiosity gets the better of him and he tries heroin to tick off his 'bucket list'...one year later he's living in a squat and selling his ass to get a fix!

Funnily enough I was listening to The Needle and the Spoon by Lyrnyrd Skynrd last night. some good tunes about heroin

26-02-2016 02:16PM

The thing that I notice about Heroin is that it used to be a Dublin problem, but its now all over the place. Even in small towns on the west coast.

26-02-2016 02:33PM

This is the best explanation of it I've ever come across:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9huWlXFA1s

jiltloop · 26-02-2016 02:34PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Should read junk by wiliam burrows. Autobiographical account of how to take heroin without building up addiction ... He did end up a junkie though

The book isn't about how to take up heroin without getting addicted.

It's a semi autobiographical account of his battle with heroin addiction. There are no references to trying not to be addicted to it, it's more a document of addiction.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 26-02-2016 03:12PM

Britain and Canada use medical heroin (diamorphine) in palliative care treatment.

LDN_Irish · 26-02-2016 03:17PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Britain and Canada use medical heroin (diamorphine) in palliative care treatment.

The NHS also often uses it for pain relief during labour.

Edit: in the US you can go in for a tooth extraction and get oxycodone. The only person I know who got a prescription for oxycodone here I'm Ireland was for terminal cancer. Britain seems to fall somewhere in the middle of these attitudes.

the evasion_kid · 26-02-2016 03:24PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I'd bet they're not too far apart. In some people anyway. IE an addict of both would show pretty similar needs. However it would be clearly more easy to become addicted to opiates. Hell, they had to restrict the sale of codeine based over the counter meds because people were chugging them like sweets. I knew one woman who was necking ten solpadeine per day. :eek: And an addiction councillor chap I knew told me that wasn't a particularly bad case at the time. A lot easier to hide socially too. I've had morphine for pain years back and the buzz I got from it wasn't so much a high, more a feeling of relaxation and a feeling of contentment and I could see how that could be very psychologically addictive alright. Never mind physically.

One diff between heroin and alcohol that not a lot of folks realise are the withdrawal symptoms. Heroin cold turkey withdrawal can be a hell and films and such use it for dramatic effect, but unless you've underlying health issues you're very unlikely to die from it. However, alcohol cold turkey withdrawal can be very dangerous and can kill you stone dead. I'm not talking about winos on the street either. Someone who has built up a long term daily use tolerance to the stuff can be in the danger zone very easily. I knew a woman who had a "bottle of white wine watching the telly of an evening" usage level who ended up hospitalised when she stopped suddenly. No way would she have seen herself as an alcoholic, but…

thats because constant alcohol use changes the central nervous system ie it adjusts to the relaxing effects of alcohol,stop drinking and synapses start firing off all over the place,blood pressure goes through the roof and usually ends up with the alcoholic going into fits or delirium tremens.opiod antangonists bind around the brain receptors and stop the release of endorphins from both alcohol and heroin,i believe they are testing it on gambling addicts too.

daRobot · 26-02-2016 04:00PM

What's interesting about Heroin, in Ireland and the UK, is that it's consumed by the very lowest socio-economic group, where as in Eastern Europe at least, there are a lot of middle class intellectual types who are into it.

LDN_Irish · 26-02-2016 04:07PM

daRobot wrote: »

What's interesting about Heroin, in Ireland and the UK, is that it's consumed by the very lowest socio-economic group, where as in Eastern Europe at least, there are a lot of middle class intellectual types who are into it.

You get that in Britain too but the stigma is so bad that nobody would ever tell it. I'm sure it's the same in Ireland but I could swear under oath that the former is true which I couldn't do for here.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 26-02-2016 04:13PM

daRobot wrote: »

What's interesting about Heroin, in Ireland and the UK, is that it's consumed by the very lowest socio-economic group, where as in Eastern Europe at least, there are a lot of middle class intellectual types who are into it.

Can they get away with prolonged use and still be productive though? It strikes me as a drug that eventually takes over your entire life and has the potential to destroy it.

Bruthal · 26-02-2016 04:23PM

Tsipras wrote: »

Alcohol consumption in Ireland almost trebled between 1960 and 2001, rising from 4.9 litres of pure alcohol per person aged 15 and over to 14.3 litres.

Yeah not addictive at all :rolleyes:

Yea, but the poster is comparing addictiveness, not claiming there is none with alcohol.

26-02-2016 04:25PM

I had a friend of the family who was a lecturer. My sister used to work in a methadone clinic. My sister told me drunk that he used to come for his fix some mornings. A perfectly functioning member of society on heroin. Well, he was a bit of an odd ball.

26-02-2016 04:47PM

I admit that I'm very curious about how heroin feels. I'm interested in the effects prescription drugs have on our consciousness and indeed unconscious processes. A few years ago a friend gave me some concoction of valium and anti-depressants. It was the most amazing feeling. In fact there were no feelings. Any worries or fears or hurts all just melted away and I was suspended in a kind of soft and warm place.

I imagine that's how heroin must be like. Just warm nothingness.

LDN_Irish · 26-02-2016 04:48PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Can they get away with prolonged use and still be productive though? It strikes me as a drug that eventually takes over your entire life and has the potential to destroy it.

I'm guessing the previous poster is talking about "chippers" who onoy partake now and then but yes, you can be a daily using addict and still hold down a job etc. A family member had a British public sector job with a lot of responsibility (was the head of a team with maybe 15 members) for 17 years, addicted to opiates almost the entire time and smoking heroin daily for about 2 years of that time. He's held down a job his entire life except when he got made redundant (recession related, not drug related!) when he took a year out because he had enough money. He came off all opiates in that time with prescribed buprenorphine tapered down, bupe is great because it's partial agonist and partial antagonist which means if you take heroin (or other strong opiates) while on it it will throw you in to precipitated withdrawals which no user is going to want to do.

He's back working full time again but unfortunately back on low level opioids again too. We probably pass people like him on the street every day but it's the person nodding out on a bench who we can identify as a user, whereas very few people know about my family member, and the only people who do is because he's told them.

So yeah, it's completely controlled most of his life and has pretty much only been a negative effect on him. But he's been able to work and still have a life despite his use.

Edit: he's never injected. Only ever smoked or occasionally snorted. I don't think you could bang up high doses and go to work.

mynamejeff · 26-02-2016 04:48PM

6541 wrote: »

A mad bizarre though crossed my little middle class mind today. I wonder what it is like to take Heroin ? Could one take it and not get addicted, like if you had a bucket list, visit some of the most amazing places in the world (Tick) go to Dublin to a tenement and shoot it up with a few how ya's (Tick)

you sir are an idiot , a complete and total moron.You are so stupid that you almost deserve to get involved in heroin use.
Its not not the effects are hidden or a unknown. Nearly any lare town in ireland has a few of the walking dead wandering around who will describe what heroin is like for you. No need for the tip to dublin . we have enough idiots here already

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Lux23 · 26-02-2016 04:58PM

I have a couple of friends who used it on occasion and they never got addicted, I wouldn't touch it though. I know how easy it is to start using something as a crutch and before you know it, its a weekly habit, then a daily habit. This is why I don't eat sugar often!

BalcombeSt4 · 26-02-2016 05:06PM

Tsipras wrote: »

I don't think it's any more addictive than alcohol.. both pretty addictive

Except Alcohol kills much more people & barely anyone has ever died from pharmacuticale grade Heroin (Diamorphine).

To answer the OP's question the strongest opiate I have ever taken is Hydrocodone (Vicodin) which is 6 times stronger than Codeine (which isn't bad either) . It feels just like wow, it's wow, that's the best way to describe it, the euhporia from it is amazing & you just feel all warm & cozy & the little tinges going up & down your back feel so lovely. And Morphine is something like 30 times strongers Hydrocodone so that should give you some clue.

R.D. aka MR.D · 26-02-2016 05:10PM

My OH had some Vicodin left over from a tooth extraction and we took them. He had a grand old time but I've never been so sick in my entire life. It was grand for about 45mins but then I got so sick that I thought it would never stop. Bent over the toilet and feeling a bit scared that I'd never be well again.

I've read that some people don't respond well to opiates and I'm guessing I'm one of them. Before that, I would have said I'd give it a go but I will never try another opiate in my life. It was a horrible feeling.

Bruthal · 26-02-2016 05:13PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Except Alcohol kills much more people & barely anyone has ever died from pharmacuticale grade Heroin (Diamorphine).

Car crashes kill far more than russian roulette. Its not because car driving is more dangerous though.

buck65 · 26-02-2016 05:21PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

you sir are an idiot , a complete and total moron.You are so stupid that you almost deserve to get involved in heroin use.
Its not not the effects are hidden or a unknown. Nearly any lare town in ireland has a few of the walking dead wandering around who will describe what heroin is like for you. No need for the tip to dublin . we have enough idiots here already

Ah will you ever **** off. Anyone that starts a sentence with "you sir.." is the idiot.

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