Sunday mass collections

ScumLord · 25-02-2016 06:08PM

mariaalice wrote: »

I saw the most bizarre thing the last time I was at mass, it was perpetuation for communion mass for children, the children sat with their parents and were called up by the priest take part at various points, anyway one little girls spend the whole time on her I pad and only put it down when they had to go up to he alter her parents didn't seem to be the slightish bit bothers.

That's because most people that are going to mass are only doing so out of a social obligation. If it wasn't the done thing to get your children indoctrinated into the Catholic church no one would do it. Their ignorance of their own faith allows them to ignore the fact they don't actually believe or follow the majority of the Catholics churchs teachings.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 25-02-2016 06:38PM

gctest50 wrote: »

A church tax is needed kinda like the Kirchensteuer?? thing in Germany

Want to go to the big building ? Pay

On Pension ? deduct at source

Don't want to go to the big building ? Make official declaration that you're leaving the church

This would also give a much more accurate measure of the actual numbers of each religion

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Why on earth go to those lengths? Just go if you're going and gave to the collection if you wish. Deduct at source? Oh come on! Someone could give €1 one week and €5 another, as they feel fit. A deduction at source from a pension is ludicrous.

Declaring you are leaving the church flies in the face of the church being open to all when they want it.

Penny Tration · 25-02-2016 06:52PM

HiGlo wrote: »

It's bad enough having to be at mass in the first place (although, I pretty much never go!) there's no way I'm giving them a cent.

You don't have to be at mass ever, though? It's a choice.

RobertKK · 25-02-2016 06:54PM

The first collection is for the priest.
The second is for the bishop to run the diocese, maybe give money to parishes that are not self sustaining, look after retired priests and whatever else is needed.

beach_walker · 25-02-2016 06:55PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Grand - want to contribute extra ? go ahead

Extra? What do you mean? I give every week to the Sunday collection.

25-02-2016 06:58PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Is Sunday mass still a thing?

Of course it is.

gctest50 wrote: »

A church tax is needed kinda like the Kirchensteuer?? thing in Germany

Want to go to the big building ? Pay

On Pension ? deduct at source

Don't want to go to the big building ? Make official declaration that you're leaving the church

This would also give a much more accurate measure of the actual numbers of each religion

.

Farcical system. People give what they can afford in the basket on a Sunday, government forcing a tax on people who want to practice their religion is total discrimination, don't know how it's even allowed.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 25-02-2016 06:59PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Grand - want to contribute extra ? go ahead

What do you mean? People who wish to contribute do so and contribute what they want when they want.

gctest50 · 25-02-2016 07:00PM

Jaxxon Rancid Snowplow wrote: »

...... Deduct at source? Oh come on! Someone could give €1 one week and €5 another, as they feel fit..........

That's exactly my point - it makes it harder for the priest to plan say roof repairs etc etc

A regular dependable source of income and then people can "top it up " as much or little as they like

It's like a cat being a stray - they'll get by but it's a bit touch n go - much better with a regular dependable source of food

How do they judge "as they feel fit" ? a particularly nice bit of singing that Sunday or ?????

beach_walker · 25-02-2016 07:06PM

Amiya Damp Babel wrote: »

Farcical system. People give what they can afford in the basket on a Sunday, government forcing a tax on people who want to practice their religion is total discrimination, don't know how it's even allowed.

Indeed, you gotta laugh at the idea of the German government requiring people to register their religious affiliation with them!

gctest50 wrote:

That's exactly my point - it makes it harder for the priest to plan say roof repairs etc etc

No it doesn't. At all. Repairs get done, if needs be by a loan. Previous local church had such a loan and each week in the newsletter would indicate how much of the collection went to pay it off etc.

But let's be honest here, you don't actually care about any of that do you?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 25-02-2016 07:29PM

gctest50 wrote: »

That's exactly my point - it makes it harder for the priest to plan say roof repairs etc etc

A regular dependable source of income and then people can "top it up " as much or little as they like

It's like a cat being a stray - they'll get by but it's a bit touch n go - much better with a regular dependable source of food

How do they judge "as they feel fit" ? a particularly nice bit of singing that Sunday or ?????

Are you deliberately being obtuse? They give as they feel fit aka as they can afford in any week.

The whole idea is preposterous. I'm involved with parish activities here and we can plan and budget very well without imposing a fixed tax on parishioners.

Your stray cat analogy is quite insulting really.

diomed · 25-02-2016 07:36PM

I want to know where the OP got the €5 billion assets figure.
Assets do not mean cash. Perhaps the buildings are part of the assets.
Or is it just that "everyone knows the Catholilc Church is loaded"?

Theboinkmaster · 25-02-2016 07:41PM

beach_walker wrote: »

On the slim chance this is a serious thread, they do get a certain amount from the Church but really parishes/dioceses are financially independent units and can and do go bust.

As to why don't the Church completely fund them all, well most Catholics seem to prefer the money going towards charity, education, being the largest NGO healthcare provider in the world etc etc.

No-ones forcing you to give money OP. I do hope you're keeping to your almsgiving this Lent though.

My query is genuine, not church bashing - I have a huge amount of time for priests.

Theboinkmaster · 25-02-2016 07:42PM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

Didn't he say he was only throwing in coppers anyway?

No he did not, read the post again

Fr_Dougal · 25-02-2016 07:44PM

Cyber-bullies. :mad:

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 25-02-2016 07:45PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I was actually chastised by some old yoke one sunday for putting in coppers...

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

Didn't he say he was only throwing in coppers anyway?

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

No he did not, read the post again

Yes, read it again.

gctest50 · 25-02-2016 08:02PM

Amiya Damp Babel wrote: »

Of course it is.

Farcical system. People give what they can afford in the basket on a Sunday, government forcing a tax on people who want to practice their religion is total discrimination, don't know how it's even allowed.

It's not government, the church collect it via the system already in place

Makes perfect sense

They could set it the same as the average price of a pint

The current average price of a pint of stout countrywide is €4.30.

http://publin.ie/2015/the-price-of-a-pint-from-1928-2015-in-todays-money/

stoplooklisten · 25-02-2016 08:11PM

diomed wrote: »

I want to know where the OP got the €5 billion assets figure.
Assets do not mean cash. Perhaps the buildings are part of the assets.
Or is it just that "everyone knows the Catholilc Church is loaded"?

He saw someone put it in the basket on sunday, 5b even

Oasis1974 · 25-02-2016 08:14PM

And you see the feckin priest drive away in his BMW not a chance.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 25-02-2016 08:19PM

Oasis1974 wrote: »

And you see the feckin priest drive away in his BMW not a chance.

Then just don't give. It's not compulsory.

Oasis1974 · 25-02-2016 08:32PM

Is the money they get every Sunday taxed then?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 25-02-2016 08:47PM

Oasis1974 wrote: »

Is the money they get every Sunday taxed then?

They? As in the Parish? No, it's a registered charity. The Priests? Yes, but they generally don't earn enough for tax.

etoughguy · 25-02-2016 08:59PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Many churches seem to do 2 collections - 1 for the priests and 1 for parish.

Question is if the Vatican have €5Bn in assets why can't they fund the priests entirely themselves?

On the face of it if I'm in mass I may have a problem giving money to the church, if the Vatican is already very wealthy.

I'd rather use the cash to give to charity.

Do you go to mass?

richardw001 · 25-02-2016 09:29PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Many churches seem to do 2 collections - 1 for the priests and 1 for parish.

Question is if the Vatican have €5Bn in assets why can't they fund the priests entirely themselves?

On the face of it if I'm in mass I may have a problem giving money to the church, if the Vatican is already very wealthy.

I'd rather use the cash to give to charity.

Ireland is a relatively well off country - so if you buy into Catholicism - then I guess you would would also buy into helping through a collection or even helping fund local dioceses - so money can go to poorer countries.
(I wouldn't think by the way that 5 billion is a whole lot of assets for a country to have - if you look at the Vatican as a country - for example from what I remember Aer lingus have assets of about 2 billion !).

Anyhow I guess it all comes down to whether you regard the Catholic church as including the people that are in the congregation and local parishes or just Vatican state.
Attending Mass is voluntary - as is giving at collections or helping out in a parish - so I don't see what the issue is tbh.

Capt'n Midnight · 25-02-2016 09:40PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Question is if the Vatican have €5Bn in assets why can't they fund the priests entirely themselves?

There's 1.2 Billion catholics so that's about €4 each excluding currency and transfer charges.

gctest50 · 25-02-2016 09:48PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

There's 1.2 Billion catholics so that's about €4 each excluding currency and transfer charges.

Very roughly the price of a pint then

Now if each church had that every week from each of its attendees

DEFTLEFTHAND · 25-02-2016 09:54PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Very roughly the price of a pint then

Now if every church had that every week from each of its attendees

It probably works out close enough to that figure each week on average. Some give nothing, some give a tenner or more, most probably two, three quid in change.

donegaLroad · 25-02-2016 10:13PM

Did you hear the one about the Cavan man who was watching mass on the TV one Sunday?

When the collection started he switched the channel.

beach_walker · 25-02-2016 10:13PM

gctest50 wrote: »

Makes perfect sense

Not really, it's needlessly full of red tape for the same ends. Very German. Our system works, you really haven't made the slightest case as to why it should change. Are you Catholic?

Theboinkmaster · 25-02-2016 10:32PM

Jaxxon Rancid Snowplow wrote: »

Yes, read it again.

What's your point

Theboinkmaster · 25-02-2016 10:33PM

etoughguy wrote: »

Do you go to mass?

Yes - every week

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