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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #182
    MajesticDonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭MajesticDonkey


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    They're in a bidding war with other providers for the contract.

    No, they're not. This thread has nothing to do with the NBP - there's no bidding or contracts involved here at all.


  • #183
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    MMFITWGDV wrote: »
    @Rob, he was talking about the eir fibre extreme checker, which is not dependent on how far he is from the exchange. However I didn't think Dunshaughlin (if that's where you're living @Gonzo?) isn't one of the 66 towns.



    I echo @MajesticDonkey's comment - You might want to take a look at that map I linked above and have a read of the extensive discussions on here about same. They are rolling out FTTH on their own outside of the NBP.

    yeah Its the Dunshaughlin exchange im connected to but live outside the town almost half way between Dunshaughlin and Ratoath. There certainly has not been any fibre work in the area although I did see 2 eircom guys looking at telephone poles close to my house last week and about 3 days ago saw Eircom Open Eir and ESB guys working together at a manhole near the village of Dunshaughlin. Dunshaughlin is not in the list of 66 towns.

    Just checked a few other numbers on the road and they are saying same thing, they are all saying available in area but line not activated yet for eir fibre extreme checker and all failing on the Eir Fibre 100mb checker.


  • #184
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    MajesticDonkey wrote: »
    No, they're not. This thread has nothing to do with the NBP - there's no bidding or contracts involved here at all.

    I knew that. I'm referring to the areas Eir is bidding for with other providers. You don't find it at all suspicious Eir extends its rollout to areas the government wants to bring high speed broadband to? Why would they bother if the government was using their money to bring fibre to those areas? I can't see Eir spending more money then they have to. They want to bring those areas into their rollout and then slow the whole process down. Instead of 2020 finish it be 2025 or longer.

    I have a feeling ESB and Vodaphone will be picked and Eircom is afraid that's exactly what is going to happen.


  • #185
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    I think you mean siro yea Eir did do 300,000 homes to make nbp harder.The government cant stop them but the bidders can got anywhere eir going but has to risk manage it because of state aid rules.


  • #186
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I knew that. I'm referring to the areas Eir is bidding for with other providers. You don't find it at all suspicious Eir extends its rollout to areas the government wants to bring high broadband speed to? Why would they bother if the government was using their money to bring fibre to those areas? I can't see Eir spending more money then they have to. They want to bring those areas into their rollout and then slow the whole process down. Instead of 2020 finish it be 2025 or longer.

    I have a feeling ESB and Vodaphone will be picked and Eircom is afraid thats what is going to happen.

    OpenEir tried to land grab, if they could secure it as "Commercial" and not NBP covered they could secure if for themselves as they know others won't bother for rural small fry. The DECNR have told them to huff it though unless they'd commit to a binding agreement to cover those areas though which OpenEir don't want.

    SIRO has done very little to date, a few select areas have got good coverage but right now its still a tiny footprint. As much as I hate to say it right now Imagines FWALA product looks like it could take off more than SIROs plans.


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  • #187
    Gonzo
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    also i wonder is that map with 66 towns now outdated, it was produced well before the 300,000 extra homes got added last June and now we have Eir saying 100,000 of those 300,000 will be completed by end of 2016.


  • #188
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    rob808 wrote: »
    I think you mean siro yea Eir did do 300,000 homes to make nbp harder.The government cant stop them but the bidders can got anywhere eir going but has to risk manage it because of state aid rules.

    Exactly, that's the point i am making. Eir does not want progress in this, if it does not involve them. My area a rural place was due to be upgraded Jan 2015 now March 2016. When they involve themselves in anything its slow progress all the way. I was talking to an Eircom worker recently and he told me they are so with the slow rolling out of fibre to rural areas. He told me the equipment is there at the exchange since Summer 2015, they should hurry up.

    Eircom wants people to use their phone lines till they explode haha..


  • #189
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ED E wrote: »
    OpenEir tried to land grab, if they could secure it as "Commercial" and not NBP covered they could secure if for themselves as they know others won't bother for rural small fry. The DECNR have told them to huff it though unless they'd commit to a binding agreement to cover those areas though which OpenEir don't want.

    SIRO has done very little to date, a few select areas have got good coverage but right now its still a tiny footprint. As much as I hate to say it right now Imagines FWALA product looks like it could take off more than SIROs plans.

    ESB is stated owned i think the government would prefer to work with them, may be wrong on that we see?


  • #190
    rob808
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    The 66 towns different from rural rollout given why we have We're and when site.


  • #191
    KOR101
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    Eir probably has a fair idea who is really serious about bidding, and about what they can realistically bid. If they were sure of winning, they wouldn't be talking like this.


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  • #192
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    I think eir and enet will win it.I don't think siro that interested in it they Haven't really said much about nbp think there more invested in city and towns.


  • #193
    davis27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭davis27


    Im living in a rural area outside tralee, spotted open eir van near my house with a guy working on the poles. I checked the rural fibre ftth open eir map and my area and house is on the planned rural fiber route. Sorry i didnt ask him what he was doing.

    We are 2km from the fttc exchange, so too far to get that. Surely we wouldn't be getting ftth in a remote area like where we are.

    Do open eir vans do other work, as it was a sunday i spotted him working?


  • #194
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    davis27 wrote: »
    Im living in a rural area outside tralee, spotted open eir van near my house with a guy working on the poles. I checked the rural fibre ftth open eir map and my area and house is on the planned rural fiber route. Sorry i didnt ask him what he was doing.

    We are 2km from the fttc exchange, so too far to get that. Surely we wouldn't be getting ftth in a remote area like where we are.

    Do open eir vans do other work, as it was a sunday i spotted him working?
    If your on the blue line then yes you should get FTTH.The question will be when will you be getting it.


  • #195
    mobil 222
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭mobil 222


    I f you are living along any place that has a blue line running by then you will get rural fibre
    But lets say you are on a side road off this and live more than 100 Mtrs then you will not get it


  • #196
    Pique
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    mobil 222 wrote: »
    I f you are living along any place that has a blue line running by then you will get rural fibre
    But lets say you are on a side road off this and live more than 100 Mtrs then you will not get it

    Seriously? 100m?

    What option would you have there? Is ESB planning that "fibre lines run on electricity poles" thing for the even more rural customers?


  • #197
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Pique wrote: »
    Seriously? 100m?

    What option would you have there? Is ESB planning that "fibre lines run on electricity poles" thing for the even more rural customers?


    NBP


  • #198
    MajesticDonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭MajesticDonkey


    mobil 222 wrote: »
    I f you are living along any place that has a blue line running by then you will get rural fibre
    But lets say you are on a side road off this and live more than 100 Mtrs then you will not get it

    This is nonsense at the moment IMHO. The blue lines are a guide and it's too early to say open eir will stick to them exactly. If you are on a blue line or close to one, then it's a good sign, but not guaranteed fact that you'll have FTTH by 2020. I don't know where the 100m thing comes from.


  • #199
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Is there anything happening out there in country? Do we have people working on hanging new fibre lines on poles have any of the blue lines on that map been honored yet? Is it all hot eir? Some amount of talk about ftth in rural Ireland in the last 3/4 years no action apart from Belcarra which was a trial in fairness. The amount of talking about it is incredible with very little evidence of anything happening. :confused:


  • #200
    Mr Velo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭Mr Velo


    damienirel wrote: »
    Is there anything happening out there in country? Do we have people working on hanging new fibre lines on poles have any of the blue lines on that map been honored yet? Is it all hot eir? Some amount of talk about ftth in rural Ireland in the last 3/4 years no action apart from Belcarra which was a trial in fairness. The amount of talking about it is incredible with very little evidence of anything happening. :confused:

    Ah sure isn't it 2017-2020 it's happening ;)


  • #201
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    damienirel wrote: »
    Is there anything happening out there in country? Do we have people working on hanging new fibre lines on poles have any of the blue lines on that map been honored yet? Is it all hot eir? Some amount of talk about ftth in rural Ireland in the last 3/4 years no action apart from Belcarra which was a trial in fairness. The amount of talking about it is incredible with very little evidence of anything happening. :confused:

    apart from 66 urban locations/towns nothing is getting started till sometime next year for the rural blue lines.


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  • #202
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Gonzo wrote: »
    apart from 66 urban locations/towns nothing is getting started till sometime next year for the rural blue lines.
    How do you know? Is that because it's saying 2017-2020 on the website? Surely they would have to start earlier than that. It's a huge project.


  • #203
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    damienirel wrote: »
    How do you know? Is that because it's saying 2017-2020 on the website? Surely they would have to start earlier than that. It's a huge project.

    I suspect that not a lot will be done in rural areas until the NBP contract(s) are awarded. Why would eir or Siro start a roll out in a given area only to then face the possibility of having a state-sponsored competitor come in?


  • #204
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I suspect that not a lot will be done in rural areas until the NBP contract(s) are awarded. Why would eir or Siro start a roll out in a given area only to then face the possibility of having a state-sponsored competitor come in?
    That is a reason to hold off I suppose. Does seem like they are stalling on it alright. The NBP is gathering dust fast what with the low standard of 30mb - starting to look old already.


  • #205
    Varik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,518 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I suspect that not a lot will be done in rural areas until the NBP contract(s) are awarded. Why would eir or Siro start a roll out in a given area only to then face the possibility of having a state-sponsored competitor come in?

    Eir have something to lose


  • #206
    tsue921i8wljb3
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    damienirel wrote: »
    That is a reason to hold off I suppose. Does seem like they are stalling on it alright. The NBP is gathering dust fast what with the low standard of 30mb - starting to look old already.

    It's not really gathering dust. The majority of the bidders for the project are proposing to rollout fibre networks which will be capable of vastly exceeding the proposed minimum speeds. DCENR also seem to have favoured fibre.

    It is such a vast project with so many vested interests that it is bound to take time to get right.


  • #207
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    damienirel wrote: »
    How do you know? Is that because it's saying 2017-2020 on the website? Surely they would have to start earlier than that. It's a huge project.

    Eircom are saying 2017-2020 for rural blue lines, they are not gonna start anything until all FTTC exchanges and cabinets are completed and the 66 urban centers get looked after first. If I was a betting man i'd nearly put it closer to 2018 before anything gets started in rural locations and i'd say the scheme wont be finished till at least 2022. I think 4 years is very small time frame for all those blue lines to be completed, there will be problems and delays as there always is and Eir have never really been quick with anything.

    In order for this to be completed during 2020 they probably would have wanted to start the blue lines over a year ago! Unless they plan to hire way more people to get the job done I just dont see this starting or finishing on time. The time to start this project can't some soon enough.


  • #208
    Johnboy1951
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    Gonzo wrote: »
    Eircom are saying 2017-2020 for rural blue lines, they are not gonna start anything until all FTTC exchanges and cabinets are completed and the 66 urban centers get looked after first. If I was a betting man i'd nearly put it closer to 2018 before anything gets started in rural locations and i'd say the scheme wont be finished till at least 2022. I think 4 years is very small time frame for all those blue lines to be completed, there will be problems and delays as there always is and Eir have never really been quick with anything.

    In order for this to be completed during 2020 they probably would have wanted to start the blue lines over a year ago! Unless they plan to hire way more people to get the job done I just dont see this starting or finishing on time. The time to start this project can't some soon enough.

    I wondered something ......... are the blue lines only in places which have Eir ducting in place?

    If this is so then the roll out could be very fast once started.


  • #209
    The Cush
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    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I wondered something ......... are the blue lines only in places which have Eir ducting in place?

    No, roadside poles also.


  • #210
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    The Cush wrote: »
    No, roadside poles also.

    Thanks ... reason I asked is that the local blue lines are along ducting lines and end at the ducting.

    There are poles along the line also, but only to take the wire up from the duct and into houses without ducting on the site (most it would appear).


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  • #211
    ED E
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    Eir want to abandon any poles they can, having a duct outside your door will make you a far more enticing potential customer.


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