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Mother of five recovering from cancer taken to jail after not paying her tv license

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    #62
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    It's about 3 quid a week, not exactly going to break the bank to pay it.

    It wont be missed so, if its not paid.


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    #63
    esforum
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    Taco Chips wrote: »
    Well illness and especially debilitating conditions like cancer cause people a lot of hardship; financial, emotional and the rest of it. Money is eaten up in a lot of ways, on treatment not immediately covered by the state like private PETs, CTs, on travel costs and accommodation for people who are coming from rural areas to specialist centres, on hiring home help, physiotherapy, psychological support etc... Some people need to spend a lot of money to have their homes refitted to their new needs. The point is very often the state doesn't cover a lot of these costs or can't do so in a time frame suitable for the patient so it's paid out of pocket. Unsurprisingly all these costs will take precedence and there just mightn't be anything left over to pay the tv licence and top up the pensions of Ryan Tubridy, Marian Finucane, David McSavage and the other assortment of assholes in Montrose.

    so ditch the TV then.

    Seems a simple answer to me, if you cant pay for something then you cannot have it. I would love a sports car but it aint happening anytime soon because kids need nappies, food, clothes and the bills have to be paid.


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    #64
    esforum
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    Bruthal wrote: »
    I guess if you got that news of such illness yourself, the tv licence would be the first thing on your mind.

    So we only deal with the first thing and ignore all others? Is that why my grandmother died? Because she paid the TV license and this forgot to get treatment?

    Millions of people have illnesses and they pay their bills and taxes. I notice the TV was able to be switched on, guess she remembered to pay the electricity bill


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    #65
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    esforum wrote: »
    so ditch the TV then.

    Seems a simple answer to me, if you cant pay for something then you cannot have it. I would love a sports car but it aint happening anytime soon because kids need nappies, food, clothes and the bills have to be paid.

    Some of the analogies on boards bring peoples connection with reality into question.


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    #66
    dreamers75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Seen this on FB few minutes ago, the person should take down the 2 seperate holiday photos from her public profile.


    Makes the poor lady part seem ummm bollox...


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    #67
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    esforum wrote: »
    So we only deal with the first thing and ignore all others? Is that why my grandmother died? Because she paid the TV license and this forgot to get treatment?

    Millions of people have illnesses and they pay their bills and taxes. I notice the TV was able to be switched on, guess she remembered to pay the electricity bill

    My licence is out, the tv is still working.

    The electricity doesnt get switched off the second the bill is unpaid.

    Again, the analagy you make there about the death is madness. Utter nonsense. If you get diagnosed with a life threatening illness, I doubt your silly tv licence will be on your mind. Cop on ffs.


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    #68
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,017 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    esforum wrote: »
    so ditch the TV then.

    and when the broadcasting charge comes in they can ditch everything including the phone. even if the phone is just used for basic calls and texts. brilliant!!!!!!!
    esforum wrote: »
    Seems a simple answer to me, if you cant pay for something then you cannot have it.

    well, clearly they have paid for the tv (unless they got it off the back of a truck) so, not simple after all.
    esforum wrote: »
    I would love a sports car but it aint happening anytime soon because kids need nappies, food, clothes and the bills have to be paid.

    whats a sports car got to do with a tv?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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    #69
    esforum
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    Bruthal wrote: »
    Some of the analogies on boards bring peoples connection with reality into question.

    its completely accurate, essentials get covered. Optional extras when money allows
    Bruthal wrote: »
    My licence is out, the tv is still working.

    The electricity doesnt get switched off the second the bill is unpaid.

    and you are given, as I showed, about 5 or 6 chances spread across at least 6 months before you are summoned and that takes another couple of months. You then get 2 or 3 months to pay the fine,

    But in all reality, I think the comment above mine puts this thread to bed. 2 holidays!


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    #70
    esforum
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    end of the road wrote: »
    and when the broadcasting charge comes in they can ditch everything including the phone. even if the phone is just used for basic calls and texts. brilliant!!!!!!!

    Irelevent, we are talking about the here and now, the TV license, not what may or may not take place in the future
    end of the road wrote: »
    well, clearly they have paid for the tv (unless they got it off the back of a truck) so, not simple after all.

    You arent entitled to possess a working TV without a license, thats kinda the whole point of the thread. You cant drive a car on public roads without tax either.

    end of the road wrote: »
    whats a sports car got to do with a tv?
    they are both optional items that are not a necessity but people like to have. Some have them and some dont. the people that have them are required to tax them.


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    #71
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    esforum wrote: »
    its completely accurate, essentials get covered. Optional extras when money allows
    Yea, I understand....

    and you are given, as I showed, about 5 or 6 chances spread across at least 6 months
    How did you find that out, research?

    But in all reality, I think the comment above mine puts this thread to bed. 2 holidays!
    I was on holidays for half of last year. Still the licence can wait.


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    #72
    esforum
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    Bruthal wrote: »
    How did you find that out, research?

    Yes, I know how the various systems in Ireland operate and try not to comment unless I do.
    Bruthal wrote: »
    I was on holidays for half of last year. Still the licence can wait.

    And so it shall, for a while and then you can go to jail as well

    (may I ask, are you drunk?)


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    #73
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    esforum wrote: »
    And so it shall, for a while and then you can go to jail as well
    And why would I be going to jail?
    (may I ask, are you drunk?)
    You may ask what you like.


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    #74
    Disgruntled Badger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Disgruntled Badger


    TV licence is a joke. Just used to supplement salaries of the darling brigade.


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    #75
    thattequilagirl
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    Even for those who feel she definitely should pay, surely you agree that jail is a disproportionate punishment?


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    #76
    TallGlass
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    BreadnBuddha wrote: »
    Can't afford a TV license? Then you can't afford to have a TV.

    Considering you can buy a brand new TV these days for less than half the cost of the TV license fee, then I would be inclined to think that yes you can own a TV if you can't afford the TV license.


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    #77
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    esforum wrote: »
    You arent entitled to possess a working TV without a license, thats kinda the whole point of the thread. You cant drive a car on public roads without tax either.

    Well if that is the case, then when we buy a TV we should be asked to produce our TV license along with valid ID, second hand TV sales and the market should be closely monitored.

    Come on, I don't think anyone in Ireland has a problem with the concept of any of these charges or taxes be it household/water/TV/car tax, the problem most people have is the price of the charges are ridiculously high. It's outrageous, and in most cases the price of the object is significantly less than the cost of the tax been imposed.

    Think about it, what would you value the service you get from RTE? Is it really worth 160€. I would say max 80€ for what the provide, I remember years ago also, the Minister for Communications didn't even know the price of the fee.


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    #78
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    colossus-x wrote: »
    I've gotten away with it for years. Just don't answer the doorbell when your not expecting anyone.

    They left a nasty letter here when I was out so do not count on your method,,, Nasty person had reported my digiweb broadband satellite dish.. knew who it was as he had apparently boasted in the pub..Had strong words with An Post as they had the wrong townland on the address... and I had a free licence anyway and no TV...


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    #79
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,616 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    Even for those who feel she definitely should pay, surely you agree that jail is a disproportionate punishment?


    She didn't go to jail.The system is a ridiculous waste of money I'd agree,that's why we need attachment orders, to take the money from their income.
    My bet is we'd see a lot less defaulting on payments when they know they can't get away with it by being admitted to jail,having a cup of tea and a sandwich and going home.


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    #80
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    kneemos wrote: »
    She didn't go to jail.The system is a ridiculous waste of money I'd agree,that's why we need attachment orders, to take the money from their income.
    My bet is we'd see a lot less defaulting on payments when they know they can't get away with it by being admitted to jail,having a cup of tea and a sandwich and going home.

    She did go to jail. The women is out on TR at the moment, which is still been in prison, if she breeches the peace she will be put back in to serve the rest of her term.


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    #81
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,616 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    TallGlass wrote: »
    She did go to jail. The women is out on TR at the moment, which is still been in prison, if she breeches the peace she will be put back in to serve the rest of her term.


    The link says nothing about going to jail,and being on TR is definitely not the same as being in prison.
    The usual carry on in these cases is get processed and go home.


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    #82
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    kneemos wrote: »
    The link says nothing about going to jail,and being on TR is definitely not the same as being in prison.
    The usual carry on in these cases is get processed and go home.

    She said on the NB show that she was brought to court/jail and then released on TR, temp release is technically still been imprisoned, you are restricted in what you can or cannot do, if she breeches the peace as I said she will be held and brought before a court again and most likely the sentence will be activated, imprisonment in an institution will follow.


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    #83
    TallGlass
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    HanaleiJ5N wrote: »
    If one can only afford to settle for and pay less than €80 for a brand new tiny ****e quality tv then I doubt they have the means to easily dispense with €160.

    For some people, that is all they want and will suit there needs perfectly fine.


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    #84
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    People having sympathy for a person that deliberately and knowingly dodged tax?

    Entitled Ireland rearing it's ugly head yet again.


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    #85
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,616 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    TallGlass wrote: »
    She said on the NB show that she was brought to court/jail and then released on TR, temp release is technically still been imprisoned, you are restricted in what you can or cannot do, if she breeches the peace as I said she will be held and brought before a court again and most likely the sentence will be activated, imprisonment in an institution will follow.


    She was processed and sent home?That's not being in prison.
    TR is not technically or any other way still being imprisoned.


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    #86
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    kneemos wrote: »
    She was processed and sent home?That's not being in prison.
    TR is not technically or any other way still being imprisoned.

    She was processed, held and told there was no capacity to hold her. She was been granted temp release, did she have any way to get home. Seemingly they asked her was she 'retarted', cause she was stressing out or something. All this was on the Boylan show.

    Well if its not prison then what exactly are you on temporary release from? Is it your local supermarket or post office letting you out for the day?

    So what do you think happens if you happen to find yourself in a situation with the Garda and it turns out your out of release, they send you on your way home?


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    #87
    aphex™
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    Renua want to abolish the TV license. And, hopefully liquidate most of RTE with it.


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    #88
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    MilesMorales1 wrote: »
    Good to see the government has its priorities right.
    Actually it has. It's brought in legislation to ensure that people no longer go to prison for non-payment of fines like this. Instead it comes out of their income.

    It's good to see you've been paying attention though. It's not like there's an election coming up or anything.


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    #89
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,616 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    TallGlass wrote: »
    She was processed, held and told there was no capacity to hold her. She was been granted temp release, did she have any way to get home. Seemingly they asked her was she 'retarted', cause she was stressing out or something. All this was on the Boylan show.

    Well if its not prison then what exactly are you on temporary release from? Is it your local supermarket or post office letting you out for the day?

    So what do you think happens if you happen to find yourself in a situation with the Garda and it turns out your out of release, they send you on your way home?


    She was processed and let go.Prison is spending time in a cell.
    TR I presume means if she gets arrested she serves her 'three days'.All she has to do is obey the law,like the other 99% of us.


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    #90
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    kneemos wrote: »
    She was processed and let go.Prison is spending time in a cell.
    TR I presume means if she gets arrested she serves her 'three days'.All she has to do is obey the law,like the other 99% of us.

    She wasn't just processed, She was arrested, Place in a cell in the station in holding until a Garda can bring her to court, case processed and again held in holding cell, then given TR as the prison was full.

    So yes she was in prison.

    And yes the sentence will be reactivated and she may end up serving more than the original sentence. But the point is she is still a 'prisoner' and my point is more so this is an absolute waste of resources. The cost of processing this farcical far out weights any gains.

    The cherry on the cake for me really is the fact that you get a TV in your cell for free !


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    #91
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    BreadnBuddha wrote: »

    No sympathy for her. They should have flogged the TV and let the kids watch stuff on the laptop. Students the world over do just that every bloody day..

    Not a very bright thing to post.

    Since 2009 the TV license also covers laptops, phones and anything else which can receive TV stations.

    Prior to this amendment we were all safe from the clutches of the TV license inspector if you didn't have a TV set but received your programmes via another means.


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