Dolphin dies after being passed around for selfies

Graces7 · 19-02-2016 07:49AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

It's absolutely quite sad to say this... But you are right.
Where is the media coverage of some kid who died of starvation in the poorest kip of Africa (etc) today.

Don't get me wrong that Dolphin should had lived. Someone should have put it back in to the sea. But when you step back and realise what pulls the heartstrings of people more it is quite messed up.

It is a well known fact that people who are cruel to animals tend to go on to be cruel to vulnerable people. It is NEVER ok to ill treat any living thing. Cruelty is wrong and evil and inexcusable and ignoring it on your own doorstep ditto. Far too much of that ..signing off on this thread as some of the post are worse than the event.

barneystinson · 19-02-2016 07:55AM

Graces7 wrote: »

It is a well known fact that people who are cruel to animals tend to go on to be cruel to vulnerable people. It is NEVER ok to ill treat any living thing. Cruelty is wrong and evil and inexcusable and ignoring it on your own doorstep ditto. Far too much of that ..signing off on this thread as some of the post are worse than the event.

You must have some size doorstep...

Flint Fredstone · 19-02-2016 08:08AM

This looks to have originated on Facebook so it's probably not what happened.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 19-02-2016 09:36AM

Graces7, That was stupidity and ignorance, not cruelty, as there was no intent to be cruel. From my experience, the dolphin probably would have died anyway following beaching. Still, not pleasant to see such ignorance.

DareGod · 19-02-2016 10:27AM

If this story is true - and lets face it, it may not be at all - then ideally anyone involved would be punished. But that's not going to happen; where would you even begin?

If it's true, it's disgusting and evil, and they're a bunch of nasty c**ts who deserve to be punished harshly.

If it's true, as much damage as the "selfie" culture is doing, it's not to blame here. The selfie culture doesn't make people evil. Those people would have been evil either way.

If it's true.

19-02-2016 11:12AM

DareGod wrote: »

If this story is true - and lets face it, it may not be at all - then ideally anyone involved would be punished. But that's not going to happen; where would you even begin?

If it's true, it's disgusting and evil, and they're a bunch of nasty c**ts who deserve to be punished harshly.

Steady on.

Stupid, moronic, clowns...but not sure they were all evil. Let's save that word for Fred West and Stalin.

Again, they did little more than every fisherman who hauls out a fish and holds it for the obligatory pose. Just maybe with even less utility, I mean the fisherman has the "it's a sport" excuse. I know people prefer dolphins to pike, and obviously this was kept out for too long and would have been more distressed, but posing for a pic with a fish or mammal is no crime and is not evil.

JustShon · 19-02-2016 11:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

posing for a pic with a fish or mammal is no crime and is not evil.

What if someone was choking a chimpanzee to death in order to get it to hold still for a photo? Would that be acceptable?

That's essentially what they did to the baby dolphin; killed it for a picture. Dolphins are on a par with primates for awareness / intelligence too.

19-02-2016 11:19AM

JustShon wrote: »

What if someone was choking a chimpanzee to death in order to get it to hold still for a photo? Would that be acceptable?

It's not the same, as that would be deliberately inflicting pain on the animal with the intent to cause harm.

There is no suggestion here that anyone set out to kill the dolphin, or that there was a group effort to do so. None. The most you could say is recklessness.

JustShon · 19-02-2016 11:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not the same, as that would be deliberately inflicting pain on the animal with the intent to cause harm.

There is no suggestion here that anyone set out to kill the dolphin, or that there was a group effort to do so. None. The most you could say is recklessness.

So you're saying you think those people had no idea that keeping a sea animal out of the sea for so long would kill it?

andekwarhola · 19-02-2016 11:27AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not the same, as that would be deliberately inflicting pain on the animal with the intent to cause harm.

There is no suggestion here that anyone set out to kill the dolphin, or that there was a group effort to do so. None. The most you could say is recklessness.

Exactly. It's not as if they did it on porpoise.

Vote 4 Pedro · 19-02-2016 11:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Saw a documentary once where people dragged a dead guy around to parties, think it was called Weekend at Bernie's. Sick people out there.

The "weekend at Bernie's" was as far from a documentary as you can get, it was one of these really silly 80's comedies.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098627/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

sbsquarepants · 19-02-2016 11:32AM

I don't know how anyone can defend stupidity of this level. Fúcking morons the lot them.
If you ask me killing anything for fun is disgusting, hunting, fishing and now selfies with sea creatures. If your fun or your hobby is killing other creatures there is something wrong with you fullstop.

JustShon · 19-02-2016 11:33AM

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

The "weekend at Bernie's" was as far from a documentary as you can get, it was one of these really silly 80's comedies.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098627/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Erm, don't think they were being serious referring to weekend at Bernie's as a documentary...

sbsquarepants · 19-02-2016 11:35AM

DareGod wrote: »

Those people would have been evil either way.

.

I think maybe your definition of evil is a little bit off.

Those people are morons and assholes - evil might be pushing it!

19-02-2016 11:39AM

JustShon wrote: »

Erm, don't think they were being serious referring to weekend at Bernie's as a documentary...

I think you just took the bait, which is beautiful in a way given the subject matter of this thread...

JustShon · 19-02-2016 11:41AM

Omackeral wrote: »

I think you just took the bait, which is beautiful in a way given the subject matter of this thread...

I guess for my punishment people should pass me around for selfies until I die

19-02-2016 12:19PM

Vote 4 Pedro wrote: »

The "weekend at Bernie's" was as far from a documentary as you can get, it was one of these really silly 80's comedies.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098627/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Silly comedy?

It was real, and it was serious.

19-02-2016 12:22PM

JustShon wrote: »

So you're saying you think those people had no idea that keeping a sea animal out of the sea for so long would kill it?

No no.

I said that holding a fish, holding a dolphin, whatever, posing for pics, it's all different to strangling a chimpanzee. Because the intent in strangling a chimpanzee is probably to strangle a chimpanzee.

We'll just have to find a chimpanzee strangler to test all of this out though.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 19-02-2016 12:26PM

Trial by social media. I think it's the worst kind of judgement. I don't agree with what happened in the short video. But it's not murder, and they don't deserve to be castrated or whatever extreme punishment they are calling out for.

JustShon · 19-02-2016 12:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No no.

I said that holding a fish, holding a dolphin, whatever, posing for pics, it's all different to strangling a chimpanzee. Because the intent in strangling a chimpanzee is probably to strangle a chimpanzee.

We'll just have to find a chimpanzee strangler to test all of this out though.

There was a thread somewhere about alternate euphemisms for "wanker" and I think "chimpanzee strangler" needs to go in there.

Ok, I take your point that the initial intent wasn't to kill the animal but they must have known they were killing it and continued to take pictures anyway.

I think the distinction between "I'm going to kill this animal" and "I'm killing this animal through my current actions but don't care" is a fairly thin distinction.

Superhorse · 19-02-2016 12:28PM

I hope they at least had the decency to put it on the barbeque when they where finished. Umm Dolphin meat.

JustShon · 19-02-2016 12:28PM

Ismael Melted Duck wrote: »

Trial by social media. I think it's the worst kind of judgement. I don't agree with what happened in the short video. But it's not murder, and they don't deserve to be castrated or whatever extreme punishment they are calling out for.

I agree that people are getting a tad hyperbolic in calling for punishment of the people involved but they should certainly be punished within the extent of the law as any person involved in animal cruelty would be.

JimmySnails · 19-02-2016 12:30PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

There was another case here a couple of years back where a bunch of clowns started pouring cider down a dolphin's blowhole and jumping up on her back. After a while the dolphin lost it's cool and attacked one of these muppets and rammed them up against the pier wall.

There was talk at the time that the dolphin would have to destroyed because it had now become hostile to all bathers. How about staying out of her environment instead, it's a powerful wild animal, not a plaything.

Dusty in Clare.

She was very friendly and timid at the start. But then arse holes started swimming on top of her, grabbing her tail, throwing crap at her and started pouring alcohol down her source of oxygen.

She attacked Fergus Finlay last summer. She started circling around him and flipping her tail. The stupid bollix thought she was playing. Once the tail starts slapping that's notice for you to hightail it. He got a headbutt in the bollix for his troubles.

pickarooney · 19-02-2016 12:33PM

JustShon wrote: »

What if someone was choking a chimpanzee to death in order to get it to hold still for a photo? Would that be acceptable?

That's essentially what they did to the baby dolphin; killed it for a picture. Dolphins are on a par with primates for awareness / intelligence too.

I would be seriously impressed by anyone strong enough to choke out a chimp.

JustShon · 19-02-2016 12:34PM

pickarooney wrote: »

I would be seriously impressed by anyone strong enough to choke out a chimp.

Fair point. I just used a chimp because they're comparable with many dolphin species when it comes to intelligence and emotional awareness.

jimgoose · 19-02-2016 01:04PM

This is beyond stupid at this stage, these characters should be sectioned for their and society's good. :mad:

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 19-02-2016 01:42PM

JustShon wrote: »

I agree that people are getting a tad hyperbolic in calling for punishment of the people involved but they should certainly be punished within the extent of the law as any person involved in animal cruelty would be.

Well I would like to know what happened before the video starts. You don't just pluck a dolphin out of the water. It looks like it's dead or almost dead at the start of the video. Maybe the dolphin could have been saved, maybe not. It does sound like people are saying "put him back in the water" or something. My Spanish is not fantastic. People are calling out for the deaths of all the people in the video, people are crazy. It just takes one person to publish something with their opinion attached and a mob of lunatics will spring up from anywhere.

JustShon · 19-02-2016 01:45PM

Ismael Melted Duck wrote: »

Well I would like to know what happened before the video starts. You don't just pluck a dolphin out of the water. It looks like it's dead or almost dead at the start of the video. Maybe the dolphin could have been saved, maybe not. It does sound like people are saying "put him back in the water" or something. My Spanish is not fantastic. People are calling out for the deaths of all the people in the video, people are crazy. It just takes one person to publish something with their opinion attached and a mob of lunatics will spring up from anywhere.

Well I'm opposed to inflicting the death penalty for any crime so I'm certainly not going to call for the deaths of the people involved in the death of a dolphin.

Like I said though, there should be some consequences for what happened here. Even if the dolphin was beached before the video started I still think there should be some consequences for passing it around for selfies instead of putting it back in the water.

Animal cruelty is against the law for a reason.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 19-02-2016 01:48PM

JustShon wrote: »

Well I'm opposed to inflicting the death penalty for any crime so I'm certainly not going to call for the deaths of the people involved in the death of a dolphin.

Like I said though, there should be some consequences for what happened here. Even if the dolphin was beached before the video started I still think there should be some consequences for passing it around for selfies instead of putting it back in the water.

Animal cruelty is against the law for a reason.

I am not sure what the laws are in Argentina in relation to animal cruelty. If there are any, then they should investigate what happened and hold those responsible for any crimes committed. Not everybody in the video is guilty. I also can't see any pictures of selfies.

JustShon · 19-02-2016 01:50PM

Ismael Melted Duck wrote: »

I am not sure what the laws are in Argentina in relation to animal cruelty. If there are any, then they should investigate what happened and hold those responsible for any crimes committed. Not everybody in the video is guilty. I also can't see any pictures of selfies.

I'm not sure what the laws in Argentina are either to be honest.

Of course not everyone in the video is guilty, anybody suggesting that is out of order.

I think everyone who handled the dolphin and didn't put it back in the water (so everyone who handled the dolphin in this case) has some level of culpability for that creature's death and suffering.

Dolphin dies after being passed around for selfies

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