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General Election 2016 - Louth Constituiency

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    #62
    Pegmatite
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    Someone asked Kevin Callan if he would support a referendum on the 8th amendment if elected.

    He just didn't answer and just deleted the post

    Seems like a bit of a opportunist to me.

    More of the same I guess.

    Any other independents running? Would like to know where they stand on the matter.


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    #63
    locum-motion
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    ...work to get services back in the Louth County Hospital ...

    That ship has sailed. A looooong time ago. NO candidate can deliver it.


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    #64
    delly
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    Sorry for only getting back to the thread now folks, but in reference to my previous point, yes I am annoyed that after living as a resident of Co. Meath, that we may be moved to Co. Louth without any say in the matter.

    It's not an issue with Louth itself, it's with loosing your county identity. I'd be equally be annoyed if we were shifted into Dublin. As things stand my address is Drogheda Co. Louth, I've always considered that we live in the Drogheda environs.

    It's a cop out to say Meath Co Co have neglected East Meath and that it is too far to manage, someone should be accountable. They've rolled in the developer money for facilities per unit in Grange Rath, yet we can't even ask for help to fix our damaged roads.

    We all know the loss of council power in Drogheda which has moved to Dundalk, so we'll go from one ignored council to another? That's a great solution Minister Nash.

    The real number one reason is the IDA Park which sits just outside the Louth border. Take that without using thousands of residents as needing rescue from evil Meath Co Co. Then get Meath Co Co in the dock for their poor performance.


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    #65
    tayto lover
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    locum-motion wrote: »
    That ship has sailed. A looooong time ago. NO candidate can deliver it.

    That's defeatist. I reckon we'll see it open again and be in full swing.
    OLOL is far too over-crowded with far too long waiting times in A & E.
    A friend spent 12 hours waiting in it last week. That's not a service at all.


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    #66
    Pegmatite
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    Anyone remember the big plans for a major hospital in Louth Village?


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    #67
    tayto lover
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    Pegmatite wrote: »
    Anyone remember the big plans for a major hospital in Louth Village?

    Or the private hospital out on the Old Newry Road near the Ballymac turn.


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    #68
    Pegmatite
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Or the private hospital out on the Old Newry Road near the Ballymac turn.

    Never heard about that one.


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    #69
    locum-motion
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    Pegmatite wrote: »
    Never heard about that one.


    That was Dr Mary Grehan's plan. Was never gonna happen.


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    #70
    locum-motion
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    That's defeatist. I reckon we'll see it open again and be in full swing...

    It's a fact.
    And you're dreaming.


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    #71
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    That's defeatist. I reckon we'll see it open again and be in full swing.
    OLOL is far too over-crowded with far too long waiting times in A & E.
    A friend spent 12 hours waiting in it last week. That's not a service at all.

    You do know the minor injuries is open, step down wards are open and stroke rehab etc still all open? That's as much as you'll see in future. Nobody will get acute care back to the Louth. It's open but not full swing as you might define it.


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    #72
    White Horse
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    In fairness how could anyone vote for Fitzpatrick?
    He can hardly speak the language and was selected only because he would get the GAA vote.
    The man is completely useless.
    This rubbish of putting the party before the town or county is madness.
    Vote for someone who will do something for your area i.e. work to get services back in the Louth County Hospital or jobs for the area.
    Fitzpatrick won't do that. He would barely know how to get to it.

    I don't buy into this habit of abusing Fitzpatrick because he speaks with a Dundalk accent.

    You would think that local people who have more self respect and be proud of their town and it's people.

    I could never imagine voting for someone from Dublin or Belfast who was parachuted into the town.


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    #73
    tayto lover
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    locum-motion wrote: »
    It's a fact.
    And you're dreaming.

    Not dreaming at all and I believe it will be open FULLY again in time.

    I notice you didn't comment on the state of OLOL i.e the over-crowding, trolly issue and waiting times. It's not working. Nurses, doctors and patients complaining about it.


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    #74
    tayto lover
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    White Horse wrote: »
    I don't buy into this habit of abusing Fitzpatrick because he speaks with a Dundalk accent.

    You would think that local people who have more self respect and be proud of their town and it's people.

    I could never imagine voting for someone from Dublin or Belfast who was parachuted into the town.

    The one thing is that Fitzer will never make the level required to be a politician. It's not his Dundalk accent either, it's his inability to speak at all or to understand the questions put to him. I notice he doesn't get to speak much, if ever, in the Dail and I don't wonder why.
    He's there 5 years now and what has he done for the town?
    Your "pride in the town" argument is a red herring. Name one good candidate on the list. That's what most people are complaining about - lack of choice.


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    #75
    White Horse
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    He's there 5 years now and what has he done for the town?

    I'm not interested in a Jackie Healy Rae type for the town.

    I will be voting for the party that I think will manage the economy best, create the best environment for growth and jobs, and reduce the amount of money it takes out of my pocket.


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    #76
    tayto lover
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    White Horse wrote: »
    I'm not interested in a Jackie Healy Rae type for the town.

    I will be voting for the party that I think will manage the economy best, create the best environment for growth and jobs, and reduce the amount of money it takes out of my pocket.

    So what's the point of Fitzpatrick then? They could have done much better than him surely. It reeks of just getting anyone who will attract votes through their sporting connections. Might as well have had Liam Reilly, Francie Callan or the pantomime Dame - all very popular but like Fitzer never going to be politicians or do anything positive for the town.
    It's a joke.
    Healy-Rae was a clown but he did get services for his area unlike Fitzer.


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    #77
    10green bottles
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    So what's the point of Fitzpatrick then? They could have done much better than him surely. It reeks of just getting anyone who will attract votes through their sporting connections. Might as well have had Liam Reilly, Francie Callan or the pantomime Dame - all very popular but like Fitzer never going to be politicians or do anything positive for the town.
    It's a joke.
    Healy-Rae was a clown but he did get services for his area unlike Fitzer.

    Jaysus Tayto,give Francie a bit of time off to enjoy his retirement.He says he might give politics a go in the next GE ;):p:D


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    #78
    White Horse
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    So what's the point of Fitzpatrick then? They could have done much better than him surely.

    I'd imagine it is a tactical choice. A lot of Fine Gael votes are in rural areas, particularly in mid Louth. Fitzpatrick should appeal to these voters better than other potential Dundalk based candidates.


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    #79
    tayto lover
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    White Horse wrote: »
    I'd imagine it is a tactical choice. A lot of Fine Gael votes are in rural areas, particularly in mid Louth. Fitzpatrick should appeal to these voters better than other potential Dundalk based candidates.

    He only appeals to those who would vote FG anyway (his family weren't even FG to begin with) even if they put a monkey up for election.


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    #80
    White Horse
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    He only appeals to those who would vote FG anyway (his family weren't even FG to begin with) even if they put a monkey up for election.

    You have to get the vote out. Not everyone is as committed to voting as you or I may be.


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    #81
    pen123
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    Sinn Fein/PBP/AAA promising the earth & the moon to the electorate.

    We won't have to pay for anything, everything will be free. Looking forward to this glorious socialist republic, it worked so well in Venezuela after all.


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    #82
    tayto lover
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    pen123 wrote: »
    Sinn Fein/PBP/AAA promising the earth & the moon to the electorate.

    We won't have to pay for anything, everything will be free. Looking forward to this glorious socialist republic, it worked so well in Venezuela after all.

    Indeed.
    We really have no real choice in Louth.
    I cannot see a decent candidate who will improve anything in this area.


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    #83
    White Horse
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    pen123 wrote: »
    Sinn Fein/PBP/AAA promising the earth & the moon to the electorate.

    We won't have to pay for anything, everything will be free. Looking forward to this glorious socialist republic, it worked so well in Venezuela after all.

    People who go to work will pay the bill. Shinners don't like working people who pay their own way.

    They like people dependent on the State, so they can claim credit for what they "give" them.

    FF were no slouches at this either.


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    #84
    tayto lover
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    White Horse wrote: »
    People who go to work will pay the bill. Shinners don't like working people who pay their own way.

    They like people dependent on the State, so they can claim credit for what they "give" them.

    FF were no slouches at this either.

    As I said earlier, nobody could be happy with the standard of politician we have regardless of party. FF, FG, SF Lab etc all the same.


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    #85
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    As I said earlier, nobody could be happy with the standard of politician we have regardless of party. FF, FG, SF Lab etc all the same.

    Yes and No. They are not all the same. FF, FG, Lab in one camp and SF, AAA, PBP and co. in another. The latter are of no value to this state and the road to ruin.


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    #86
    Lord TSC
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    Saoirse Spoiled Camel wrote: »
    Yes and No. They are not all the same. FF, FG, Lab in one camp and SF, AAA, PBP and co. in another. The latter are of no value to this state and the road to ruin.

    In fairness, I could easily say the same for the first three but it could be a generation thing. I feel, as a 28 year old who has seen the profession I trained for demolished, who has seen a lot of friends and family forced to leave or stay on the dole, there is no chance I would give the first three anything with my vote. Do you mind if I ask what age you are? I am generally finding most people under 30 have very little faith in the first three any more...


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    #87
    White Horse
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    Lord TSC wrote: »
    In fairness, I could easily say the same for the first three but it could be a generation thing. I feel, as a 28 year old who has seen the profession I trained for demolished, who has seen a lot of friends and family forced to leave or stay on the dole, there is no chance I would give the first three anything with my vote. Do you mind if I ask what age you are? I am generally finding most people under 30 have very little faith in the first three any more...

    I understand the anger and the disappointment.

    The only hope for younger generations is a growing economy. That is what will create jobs and give young people the opportunity to advance in life.

    The alternative economic model is to tax workers more and give younger people more dole.

    Is that a way forward for young people?


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    #88
    event
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    In fairness how could anyone vote for Fitzpatrick?
    He can hardly speak the language and was selected only because he would get the GAA vote.
    The man is completely useless.
    This rubbish of putting the party before the town or county is madness.
    Vote for someone who will do something for your area i.e. work to get services back in the Louth County Hospital or jobs for the area.
    Fitzpatrick won't do that. He would barely know how to get to it.

    Pothole politics 101. Dont bother looking to the country as a hole, but what can be done for you. Its partially what got the country in the state its in. At local council elections, this may work but for actual government elections you should vote for a good candidate who will be with a party who have a chance of being in power. Alternatively vote for someone who is maybe not going to do so well this time but has a chance for building for the next run.

    You have to look long term for these elections IMO.

    Its all well and good voting for the local independent who says he'll open the hospital. But its basically a spoiled vote if he wont get in to the dail.


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    #89
    pen123
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    Lord TSC wrote: »
    In fairness, I could easily say the same for the first three but it could be a generation thing. I feel, as a 28 year old who has seen the profession I trained for demolished, who has seen a lot of friends and family forced to leave or stay on the dole, there is no chance I would give the first three anything with my vote. Do you mind if I ask what age you are? I am generally finding most people under 30 have very little faith in the first three any more...

    The only people Sinn Fein/AAA/PBP care about are those on welfare. The more people on welfare & the worse the country is the better for them. That's what they exploit for votes. They don't want these people getting jobs & doing well in life. I am in my early thirties & not rich but I am lucky to have a job but Sinn Fein won't mean more money in my pocket as they want me to keep paying the USC. If you work in any sector you won't be getting anything off them.


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    #90
    Lord TSC
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    pen123 wrote: »
    The only people Sinn Fein/AAA/PBP care about are those on welfare. The more people on welfare & the worse the country is the better for them. That's what they exploit for votes. They don't want these people getting jobs & doing well in life. I am in my early thirties & not rich but I am lucky to have a job but Sinn Fein won't mean more money in my pocket as they want me to keep paying the USC. If you work in any sector you won't be getting anything off them.

    I'll be honest, this rhetoric sounds like something out of the conspiracy forums. I genuinely don't even know how to form a counter-argument because the entire notion seems bizarre...


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    #91
    pen123
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    Lord TSC wrote: »
    I'll be honest, this rhetoric sounds like something out of the conspiracy forums. I genuinely don't even know how to form a counter-argument because the entire notion seems bizarre...

    What's bizarre? Totally true & I see no evidence in their economic or taxation policies that they will make me or other working people on modest incomes any better off.


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