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Why do you hate Irish?

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  • #1022
    thattequilagirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭thattequilagirl


    Shep_Dog wrote: »
    in the 19th century, with the foundation of the Gaelic League (Conradh na Gaeilge). Its mission is to replace English with Irish as our common language. One of its founders, Douglas Hyde, gave a speech about the Necessity of de-Anglicising Ireland.The GAA was founded at the same time to promote Gaelic sports.

    Their idea is make everyone properly 'Irish' by reinstating the Irish language.

    That's not ethnic cleansing. The holocaust was an example of ethnic cleansing. The way ISIS treats Christian people is another example.


  • #1023
    Shep_Dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭Shep_Dog


    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    That's not ethnic cleansing. The holocaust was an example of ethnic cleansing. The way ISIS treats Christian people is another example.
    Or, closer to home, how the Irish-language loving IRA murdered Protestants?

    Ethnic cleansing begins with one section of the community isolating another, using race, language, skin colour or religion as the boundary. It uses notions of cultural superiority and memories of past grievances to stir up fanaticism.


  • #1024
    recipio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭recipio


    kingchess wrote: »
    where did the ethnic cleansing come in to play??

    Read the history of the war of Independence. It was essentially a class war.


  • #1025
    kingchess
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭kingchess


    recipio wrote: »
    Read the history of the war of Independence. It was essentially a class war.

    oh,a class war between those who spoke Irish and those that did not??:eek:


  • #1026
    kingchess
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭kingchess


    Shep_Dog wrote: »
    Or, closer to home, how the Irish-language loving IRA murdered Protestants?

    Ethnic cleansing begins with one section of the community isolating another, using race, language, skin colour or religion as the boundary. It uses notions of cultural superiority and memories of past grievances to stir up fanaticism.

    So the RA murdered protestants because they did not love Irish,but what about the protestants who spoke Irish? were they safe from attack?? your second sentence could refers to Unionist attitudes in NI. but I could be reading you wrong ???


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  • #1027
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Good to hear you believe the entirety of the new world lacks soul.

    I'll tell those Rio dancers to leave it off this year, Caoimhgh1n thinks they don't have soul. Seriously, has there ever been a more anti intellectual, brain dead quote?

    I don't think he suggested Rio dancers were mute.


  • #1028
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    I don't think he suggested Rio dancers were mute.

    I don't think he really knows what he said. It's easier to parrot nonsense quotes.


  • #1029
    TireeTerror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭TireeTerror


    "Why do you hate Irish?"

    The people or the language?


  • #1030
    Caoimhgh1n
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,499 ✭✭✭✭Caoimhgh1n


    TireeTerror wrote: »
    "Why do you hate Irish?"

    The people or the language?

    I think that it is obvious..


  • #1031
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    TireeTerror wrote: »
    "Why do you hate Irish?"

    The people or the language?

    Peopke would be

    "Why do you hate the Irish."


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  • #1032
    LordSutch
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    TireeTerror wrote: »
    "Why do you hate Irish?"

    The people or the language?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98279869&postcount=441


  • #1033
    TireeTerror
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=98279869&postcount=441

    Where Im from in Scotland we take pride in speaking Gaelic. Its actually turned a corner and is perceived as being quite cool to speak and it makes you feel really Scottish.


  • #1034
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    TireeTerror wrote: »
    Where Im from in Scotland we take pride in speaking Gaelic. Its actually turned a corner and is perceived as being quite cool to speak and it makes you feel really Scottish.

    The problem here is the assumption that the goal is to feel Irish, or that feeling Irish is in some way automatically saught-after.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #1035
    Carlos Orange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    TireeTerror wrote: »
    Where Im from in Scotland we take pride in speaking Gaelic. Its actually turned a corner and is perceived as being quite cool to speak and it makes you feel really Scottish.

    Which makes Scottish people who don't speak Gaelic........


  • #1036
    TireeTerror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭TireeTerror


    psinno wrote: »
    Which makes Scottish people who don't speak Gaelic........

    Turncoat NO voting bastards.


  • #1037
    Shep_Dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭Shep_Dog


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    "Why do you hate the Irish."
    In America, that would be like a Fox-news 'journalist' asking a Democrat, during an interview:

    "Why do you hate freedom?"


  • #1038
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    deepesthole wrote: »
    To within a few hundred years, Irish is just as foreign as English to this island.

    No it's not. Irish is not foreign in Ireland.
    deepesthole wrote: »
    Why can you only have one native language? Because you said so? Anything else other than that?

    I thought people only had one mother tongue? Maybe some linguist can correct me.
    deepesthole wrote: »
    And more careful wording I see. Actually it is incredibly unusual by percentage to be someone who actually WANTS to learn Irish.

    And you know this how?


  • #1039
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    Sleepy wrote: »
    Perhaps a reasonable compromise here would be the replacement of Irish as a compulsory part of the national school curriculum with a requirement for a second language in general which could be decided upon at a school by school basis allowing parents choice as to whether they'd like their kids to learn Irish / Spanish / French etc...... it would allow those of us who'd prefer our children to receive a better education to set up our own schools a la the educate together model.

    Better education? Miaow!

    Anyhow there are such primary schools in place in any case - St. Kilians' for German immediately comes to mind. They do Irish, German and English! Why exclude Irish, if only for emotional reasons?
    Sleepy wrote: »
    But what is the argument beyond "the constitution says it's an official language" therefore it is? The constitution is a pretty flawed document and an unsound formation for most arguments.... We wouldn't accept it as the basis for an argument that women shouldn't engage in the workplace or for the existance of God so I don't see how we can accept it as the basis for ramming Irish down the throats of a population that are largely uninterested in learning any more than the "cupla focal".

    The constitution is a powerful document - it's behind the reason why all those drink-drivers are getting off because they didn't get served their notice in Irish (which is ridiculous, but that's another thread).

    But it does show the importance of Irish in legal and public life, and this in addition to the obvious cultural reasons gives a good foundation for widespread Irish language learning here.

    You're at your old tricks again bringing in "women in the home" and "God" again into this discussion as false analogies. :pac:


  • #1040
    Shep_Dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭Shep_Dog


    Dughorm wrote: »
    But it does show the importance of Irish in legal and public life, and this in addition to the obvious cultural reasons gives a good foundation for widespread Irish language learning teaching here.
    Fixed that for you.
    The Irish-language establishment, backed by the force of law and the weight of the constitution pretend to teach Irish and the average citizen pretends to learn it. Later, we all pretend to speak it.
    Philosopher George Santayana defines fanaticism as "redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim"


  • #1041
    Eugene Norman
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    thattequilagirl wrote: »
    That's not ethnic cleansing. The holocaust was an example of ethnic cleansing. The way ISIS treats Christian people is another example.

    Actually under modern definitions of ethnic or cultural cleansing, it is.


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  • #1042
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Dughorm wrote: »
    No it's not. Irish is not foreign in Ireland.
    Irish is as foreign as English is, it's just been here longer.

    "Irish developed from one of the Celtic dialects brought to bronze age Ireland and Britain by the iron age Celts, who inhabited Central Europe some three thousand years ago. Ireland was invaded many times and factual evidence is sometimes difficult to obtain. The oral tradition, however, refers consistently to specific events such as 'The Great Plague' and 'The Great Flood' etc. in very factual terms, along-side obviously mythological events. Quite often the claims of 'folk history' are corroborated by documentary and other evidence. The invaders of the pre-Celtic period such as Parthalon, Tuatha De Danann, Fir Bolg, Milesians, Picts (or Cruithni) are all considered as being ancient inhabitants of Ireland. It can be assumed that when the Celts eventually succeeded in conquering the country that it was a land of many diverse languages, cultures and peoples, even though the population must have been small, and these pre-Celtic languages are thought to have had some influence on what we now call Irish."

    Source: http://www.irelandseye.com/aarticles/culture/talk/irishguide/histir.shtm


  • #1043
    Shep_Dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭Shep_Dog


    Worth noting too that the Christian tradition celebrated on St Patrick's Day is of course a foreign religious one brought here by a British missionary.

    And that much of traditional Irish music is enriched by foreign influences. The state symbol of the harp is not an indiginous instrument.

    We have always been an open culture, ready to adapt to the world we live in.


  • #1044
    Paramite Pie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    Shep_Dog wrote: »
    in the 19th century, with the foundation of the Gaelic League (Conradh na Gaeilge). Its mission is to replace English with Irish as our common language. One of its founders, Douglas Hyde, gave a speech about the Necessity of de-Anglicising Ireland.The GAA was founded at the same time to promote Gaelic sports.

    Their idea is make everyone properly 'Irish' by reinstating the Irish language.

    The number of Irish speakers was much higher at the time, so it probably seemed like a reasonable (and not very disruptive) goal.

    Remember that at the same time, sign posts were being taken down across the country because they were in the 'wrong' language and our placenames were being intentionally 'Angliscised' and new signs put up amid protest. Why was Westminster so insistent on doing this?? Why was it necessary? That's not a natural process at all.

    There is an important context to the aims of the Gaelic League. We laugh at someone trying to rename Dingle to An Daingean today but back then it was the other way around. By the time we acheived Independence, there were probably still people old enough to remember the original names and signs, so there was likely high support for dual language signs. These dual language signs were being put back up as early as 1905 in Dublin.

    In that era, people were adopting English customs en masse. Nowadays many on boards are complaining about prevalent Americanisms among our youths. No different. I don't think not speaking Irish makes me less Irish now, but back then with customs being dropped so quickly and rapidly, their framework of what "Irishness" was -- was very different.

    Let's face it, we're all Anglo-Irish now, really.:D


  • #1045
    Shep_Dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭Shep_Dog


    Paramite Pie wrote: »
    There is an important context to the aims of the Gaelic League.....
    The main context was the nationalist agenda of the time.

    In order to promote secession from the UK, the nationalists needed to isolate themselves socially. Hence the GAA, the use of the Irish language and notions of an Irish race, morally superior to Britons.

    That was then.

    But now, in the present, in the 21st century, having been independent for over 90 years, they still want to make us speak Irish.


  • #1046
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    Paramite Pie wrote: »
    The number of Irish speakers was much higher at the time, so it probably seemed like a reasonable (and not very disruptive) goal.

    Problem is it's still listed as one of their goals today, when
    1 - They've never actually asked Irish people if they want their every-day language replaced or not, and
    2 - They want to increase the quantity of it in the education system, while completely ignoring the needs to improve the quality of it.

    This is extremly arrogant and both the ideas and the attitudes push people away from the language rather then bringing them closer to it.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #1047
    sryanbruen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,983 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    I don't hate Irish. In fact, Tá grá agam don Ghaeilge (If I said that right :pac:). In my primary, I was the best at Irish and everybody wanted me to be on their team when doing quizzes. The thing though I hate is:

    The way it is taught, particularly in secondary education

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  • #1048
    goz83
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    So many hours wasted and all I can do in Irish is ask to use the jax!!! :mad:

    At 32....its hardly necessary to ask


  • #1049
    sryanbruen
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    Whoever said the way to learn a language is through literature, they are "GEALTACH". After all, breatha teanga í a labhairt!

    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • #1050
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    sryanbruen wrote: »
    Whoever said the way to learn a language is through literature, they are "GEALTACH". After all, breatha teanga í a labhairt!

    You need to provide a translation in English for any Irish there bud. Forum rules.


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  • #1051
    sryanbruen
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You need to provide a translation in English for any Irish there bud. Forum rules.

    Oh sorry... did not realise.

    Gealtach - Insane
    Breatha teanga í a labhairt - A language lives if it's spoken
    Tá grá agam don Ghaeilge - I love Irish

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