Swedish police accused of covering up rampant sexual abuse at music festival

Mr. CooL ICE · 12-01-2016 01:14AM

Malcolm600f wrote: »

Get back on topic this is nothing to do with priests or past events ..
This is about current event and events that some time very soon might be on our doorstep..

Malcolm600f wrote: »

Again going off topic and trying to turn this into a western people bashing thread..
The thread is about whats going on currently in Europe and the rapes taking place been covered up no need to be trying to turn off topic

The Highwayman wrote: »

Can we please get back to talking about the obvious cover up in Sweden and not get side tracked be people who are trying to derail this thread and have it shut?

Mod:

No back seat modding please. Report the post if you see the thread getting derailed.

.45auto · 12-01-2016 01:15AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

The Irish navy are dragging refugees from the sea in the med. No problem with that. But we need to establish who these people are before dropping them off in Europe.

There should be processing of them offshore. If they are Syrian no problem. If they are north african economic migrants they should be dropped back in north africa where they belong.

Fine gael plans to give amnesty to 3000 economic migrants this year.

emo72 · 12-01-2016 01:15AM

http://www.hijra2ireland.com/

muslims view our country very favorably. they dont want to assimilate.

“Hijra to Ireland” is a non-political body that has set a goal to bring as many Muslims to the state as possible. We believe that Ireland is a place where Muslims can thrive and create sprawling communities that fulfil the will of our prophet, peace be upon him, and lead a Muslim life based on his teachings.

We do not wish any harm to the Irish who have welcomed Muslims to their home for nearly a century. All we want is to coexist and build a life that enables each party to live the way it wants in a multicultural atmosphere without any fear."

they want to get on but be separate. not sure im too comfortable with this, "sprawling communities" and fulfilling the the will of the prophet? unfortunately they dont think too kindly of kuffars, so i doubt that would end well for me.

im just saying im not sure, can we not slow things down until we know whats going on?

walshyn93 · 12-01-2016 01:16AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

The Irish navy are dragging refugees from the sea in the med. No problem with that. But we need to establish who these people are before dropping them off in Europe.

There should be processing of them offshore. If they are Syrian no problem. If they are north african economic migrants they should be dropped back in north africa where they belong.

They should be creating safe zones in Syria to send them back to. Taking them here is stupid. We know how that ends. It's much safer for all involved to keep them close to home.

testaccount123 · 12-01-2016 01:17AM

emo72 wrote: »

[im just saying im not sure, can we not slow things down until we know whats going on?

Racist

The Highwayman · 12-01-2016 01:18AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

The Irish navy are dragging refugees from the sea in the med. No problem with that. But we need to establish who these people are before dropping them off in Europe.

There should be processing of them offshore. If they are Syrian no problem. If they are north african economic migrants they should be dropped back in north africa where they belong.

Just like Australia does

stunmer · 12-01-2016 01:19AM

Beliefs and cultures matter.

They should be criticised just like any other set of ideas.

For too long it hasn't been acceptable to criticise belief and culture for fear of offending. This is exactly what is happening in these coverups.

BigJackC · 12-01-2016 02:11AM

stunmer wrote: »

Beliefs and cultures matter.

They should be criticised just like any other set of ideas.

For too long it hasn't been acceptable to criticise belief and culture for fear of offending. This is exactly what is happening in these coverups.

If there is a spate of violent and sexual assaults, they should be reported upon no matter what the perpetrators ethnicity is. It's unbelievable that the media and police have tried to cover this up. If you predicted what has happened across Europe in the past twelve months, you made have been called a right wing loon that needed sectioning.

Yet here we are.

StewartGriffin · 12-01-2016 10:01AM

testaccount123 wrote: »

I think you are reading something you want to see into these posts instead of what I am writing.

Mate, I'm reading exactly what you have written. There's no interpretation required. <snip>

Canadel · 12-01-2016 10:11AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

If they are north african economic migrants they should be dropped back in north africa where they belong.

Maybe you belong in North Africa.

Little CuChulainn · 12-01-2016 10:43AM

eisen1968 wrote: »

little cuchulainn " the incidents had passed and were not ongoing" Yes a few women were raped but thankfully they aren't being raped any more. Move along now nothing to see here. Are you F.............ing serious?

You aren't even addressing what I'm talking about. Why would the police report an incident that had occurred when there was no ongoing hazard. It's just not done. Police do not routinely report sexual assaults, or assaults in general unless they are specifically asked or there is an investigative reason. It's not their job to report the news. If you go to any country and look at the number of rapes reported on in the media and compare it to the number of reports actually reported to the police then you would find a very big discrepancy. This isn't due to any cover up, it's just standard practice.

RIGHTisRIGHT · 12-01-2016 10:49AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You aren't even addressing what I'm talking about. Why would the police report an incident that had occurred when there was no ongoing hazard. It's just not done. Police do not routinely report sexual assaults, or assaults in general unless they are specifically asked or there is an investigative reason. It's not their job to report the news. If you go to any country and look at the number of rapes reported on in the media and compare it to the number of reports actually reported to the police then you would find a very big discrepancy. This isn't due to any cover up, it's just standard practice.

The British police went out of their way to get this into the media

A Muslim woman wearing a hijab was brutally punched in the face in Birmingham city centre in what is thought to be an Islamophobic attack.
Miss Choudhary, 18, who did not want her first name published, said she had been left shocked after the assault which happened as she was walking along New Street.
Her attacker, who was wearing a grey hooded top, just came up to her and punched her in the street.
Police have appealed for witnesses to the attack, which happened at 7.30am on Monday, November 23, and said they were treating it as a ‘hate crime’.
Miss Chaudary who is a student said the traumatic experience means that she is now scared to walk through the city centre by herself.
She told the Mail: “I feel shocked and really scared that someone could attack you for no reason. I don’t feel safe at all now.
“I was walking to the train station to meet some friends when someone shoved me from behind.
“When I turned around he punched me in the face and then just went off.
“I was really upset afterwards. I can only think it was because he saw my hijab as he didn’t take my bag or anything.

And it turns out she was lying.

Teenage student, 18, is fined £90 after lying that she was punched in the face because she wore a hijab in the days after the Paris terror attacks

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3390765/Birmingham-teenager-lied-punched-wearing-hijab-Paris-massacre.html#ixzz3x1QwNUR4
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Shenshen · 12-01-2016 10:54AM

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

The British police went out of their way to get this into the media

And it turns out she was lying.

They appealed for witnesses - how would you do that without involving the media? Have a bobby stand in the street with a sign asking for information?

RIGHTisRIGHT · 12-01-2016 10:56AM

Shenshen wrote: »

They appealed for witnesses - how would you do that without involving the media? Have a bobby stand in the street with a sign asking for information?

So they did not need to look for witnesses in Cologne despite the fact police failed to make a single arrest?

Little CuChulainn · 12-01-2016 10:59AM

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

So they did not need to look for witnesses in Cologne despite the fact police failed to make a single arrest?

They generally will look for them after they have done preliminary investigations, not in the hours after when they are still dealing with the victims. Police forces usually gather evidence before arresting people.

RIGHTisRIGHT · 12-01-2016 11:03AM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

They generally will look for them after they have done preliminary investigations, not in the hours after when they are still dealing with the victims. Police forces usually gather evidence before arresting people.

Like in Rotherham for example?

Not getting sucked into an exchange with you I will instead let those who read come to their own conclusion about the standard of your posts.

Little CuChulainn · 12-01-2016 11:07AM

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

Like in Rotherham for example?

Not getting sucked into an exchange with you I will instead let those who read come to their own conclusion about the standard of your posts.

Whatever floats your boat.

Shenshen · 12-01-2016 11:14AM

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

Like in Rotherham for example?

Not getting sucked into an exchange with you I will instead let those who read come to their own conclusion about the standard of your posts.

How successful would you think a public appeal for witnesses in a child prostitution investigation would prove, generally speaking?

I'm not trying to defend police in any country here, but I am surprised at how little people seem to engage their brain before shouting about conspiracies and cover-ups.

Shenshen · 12-01-2016 11:15AM

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

So they did not need to look for witnesses in Cologne despite the fact police failed to make a single arrest?

They were calling for witnesses in the local papers on the 1st of January. I'm not entirely sure if you would have wanted them to let the Irish press know as well, just to keep you personally happy?

RDM_83 again · 12-01-2016 11:23AM

Shenshen wrote: »

How successful would you think a public appeal for witnesses in a child prostitution investigation would prove, generally speaking?

I'm not trying to defend police in any country here, but I am surprised at how little people seem to engage their brain before shouting about conspiracies and cover-ups.

In that case The local Labour MP try to raise the issue and wad ignored shamefully by her own party.

I don't get the willingness of certain posters to constantly reference child abuse by the Catholic Church before they were born but enter a state of denial when confronted with industrial scale child abuse (well more than a 1000 reported victims) occurring in the 2000's

Shenshen · 12-01-2016 11:25AM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

In that case The local Labour MP try to raise the issue and wad ignored shamefully by her own party.

I don't get the willingness of certain posters to constantly reference child abuse by the Catholic Church before they were born but enter a state of denial when confronted with industrial scale child abuse (well more than a 1000 reported victims) occurring in the 2000's

I won't dispute that the police in Rotherham shamefully neglected their duties for a considerable period of time.
But complaining that they never informed the press seems rather absurd, to be honest.

RDM_83 again · 12-01-2016 11:34AM

Shenshen wrote: »

I won't dispute that the police in Rotherham shamefully neglected their duties for a considerable period of time.
But complaining that they never informed the press seems rather absurd, to be honest.

Did they ever pass on the demographics of the offenders,victims and potential suspects which were very much at odds with the standard pattern of abuse. In the report about the case a worker was sent on racial sensitivity training for highlighting the issue.

Did the mainstream media and political parties ignore a member of parliament because it might boost the EDL?

Shenshen · 12-01-2016 11:39AM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Did they ever pass on the demographics of the offenders,victims and potential suspects which were very much at odds with the standard pattern of abuse. In the report about the case a worker was sent on racial sensitivity training for highlighting the issue.

Did the mainstream media and political parties ignore a member of parliament because it might boost the EDL?

Are they obliged to pass those details on?

They would have been obliged to investigate the reported cases and get t he offenders convicted, which they didn't do. But people somehow seem more upset about the fact that "they weren't told", rather than that the victims had to continue to suffer due to massive failures on the parts of the police.

BigJackC · 12-01-2016 11:48AM

Shenshen wrote: »

Are they obliged to pass those details on?

It does help to give a description of the suspects, yes. "31 sentient beings are wanted to help the police with their investigation into a spate of sexual assaults in Cologne on NYE" isn't going to help much.

RDM_83 again · 12-01-2016 11:55AM

Shenshen wrote: »

Are they obliged to pass those details on?

They would have been obliged to investigate the reported cases and get t he offenders convicted, which they didn't do. But people somehow seem more upset about the fact that "they weren't told", rather than that the victims had to continue to suffer due to massive failures on the parts of the police.

We aspire to live in an open democratic society rather than one where information is censored because it might benefit parties we dont like.
This was known about for a long time, if there had been public scrutiny the situation would have been resolved much sooner and less abuse would have occurred.
Do you really not see the irony considering your views on CC abuse?

walshyn93 · 12-01-2016 11:56AM

Shenshen wrote: »

How successful would you think a public appeal for witnesses in a child prostitution investigation would prove, generally speaking?

I'm not trying to defend police in any country here, but I am surprised at how little people seem to engage their brain before shouting about conspiracies and cover-ups.

Denis MacShane, MP for Rotherham between 1994 and his resignation in 2012, said in a BBC radio interview that that no-one had come to him with child abuse allegations during that period, but conceded he should have gotten himself more involved in the issue. Admitting he had been guilty of doing too little, he said he had been aware of what he saw as the problems of cousin marriage and the oppression of women within sectors of the Muslim community in Britain, but "as a true Guardian reader, and liberal leftie, I suppose I didn't want to raise that too hard. I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat if I may put it like that." However, in hindsight, he did say that "I think that I should have burrowed into [the allegations]".[11]

Shenshen · 12-01-2016 12:01PM

BigJackC wrote: »

It does help to give a description of the suspects, yes. "31 sentient beings are wanted to help the police with their investigation into a spate of sexual assaults in Cologne on NYE" isn't going to help much.

They were asking witnesses who had been on the Domplatte in the night of New Year's Eve and have witnesses pickpockets and sexual assaults to come forward with descriptions of the offenders, and if possible to provide any pictures or recordings they might have.

Would you say that's satisfactory, or should they have specified that they are only looking for North Africans and men of Middle Eastern origin?
In which case they would not have caught the Germans, Americans and Serbians who were also involved. But maybe that would not fit your picture?

LDN_Irish · 12-01-2016 12:04PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Did the mainstream media and political parties ignore a member of parliament because it might boost the EDL?

I don't think so, I think it was purely to avoid looking racist. In Sweden it looks like it was certainly to avoid giving propaganda to the SDP. In Cologne it looks like it was to avoid massive amounts of Germans descending on Cologne and lynching people who looked like they night be "migrants."

These are minor distinctions to be honest, the broader point is that they were attempted cover ups and there are parallels with how many on the left are denying the reality in an attempt to counter the right capitalising. This is a misguided tactic. If the Left can't admit there are cultural issues which make this more social acceptable among certain communities then we are handing the right the narrative and telling them to do what they like with it. People won't turn towards the politics of those who deny reality for political purposes.

Shenshen · 12-01-2016 12:06PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

We aspire to live in an open democratic society rather than one where information is censored because it might benefit parties we dont like.
This was known about for a long time, if there had been public scrutiny the situation would have been resolved much sooner and less abuse would have occurred.
Do you really not see the irony considering your views on CC abuse?

Could you let me know what my views on CC abuse are? I wasn't aware I had any.

If the police are not investigating (and I don't argue for one moment that they SHOULD have investigated!!!), then what do you want the press to report?
As far as I'm aware, there are procedures and rules in place which allow journalists and the public to request information on police activities. Last time I check it wasn't up to the police to hold daily press meetings and to insist their activities make headlines?

Little CuChulainn · 12-01-2016 12:14PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Did they ever pass on the demographics of the offenders,victims and potential suspects which were very much at odds with the standard pattern of abuse. In the report about the case a worker was sent on racial sensitivity training for highlighting the issue.

Did the mainstream media and political parties ignore a member of parliament because it might boost the EDL?

Police departments put that info into a national database. It's called ViCLAS in Ireland. I think they call it ViCAP in American cop shows. This highlights patterns in victims, suspects and M.O.'s. To my knowledge it wouldn't highlight a problem with a specific ethnicity in an area because it is not set up to racially profile.

Swedish police accused of covering up rampant sexual abuse at music festival

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