Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It's strange that not much emphasis was put on the bones found in the quarry, maybe the prosecutors argued it away and the documentary makers didn't put it in

If you think the body was burned in the quarry then moved to the fire pit the burn barrel used would indicate it had to have been one of the family or someone close

I beleive the bones at the quarry couldn't be identified as Halbach or even human so that's why less emphasis. I really don't know how the body could have been burned at the quarry and moved in such a clean and covert way. The mess of burning and cooling and transporting the body in a barrell without leaving a trail of evidence and mess, seems impossible. It takes hours to burn a human body (we are mostly liquid). Was the piping hot barrell put in a vehicle and carried around the place, surely there would have been evidence of moving it from where it was? Not sure of the timeline either, from her disappearance at around 3.30 (?) to the bonfire around 9 (?) Was enough time for all that to have occurred including her murder by someone other than Avery?

Oh I think the ex and roommate are complete red herrings, whoever did it had intimate knowledge of the Avery property.

Just finished it there...emotional wreck after it, amazing television.

fin12 wrote: »

I am watching it, but

just because the cops screw up with the evidence does not mean he is innocent look at the OJ Simpson case, everybody knows he was guilty, anyway I just find that fact that the same man is the last person to see two women alive who both end up dead at the bottom of a stairs and he is on one women's will and the other on her life insurance policy and also kathleen was laying dying for hours because when the paramedics came the blood on the walls was completely dry, I think he is as guilty as sin, cops tampering with evidence can convict innocent but can also lead to guilty people getting off as well

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Well he is out pending a retrial because the prosecution witness on the blood spatters perjured himself and made up a load of nonsense. Funnily the defense expert was brilliant and made that guy look like a charlatan so not surprising. The so called murder weapon turned out to be a red herring. Hilarious the prosecution back tracked on that. He had no financial gain from the woman in Germany and actually ended up raising her two kids (who don't believe he did it). She had a cerebral heamorrage per her autopsy. Pretty much everyone has a life insurance policy. The owl theory is interesting because there is actual physical evidence of that as opposed to anything the prosecution could dream up.

marklazarcovic wrote: »

She was missing for days,not one day,body burned on day one and removed. Nxt day for example,ample time for any amount of scenarios

Burned where? Removed to where?
Yeah I suppose I have trouble with that as I haven't seen a logical theory explored or mapped out, even by the defense. I can understand how the lack of evidence of Thereseas bones at the quarry would cause them to back off going near that, in any event it would probably have been overulled as too speculative without conclusive evidence of TH. Her body in the fire pit and barrell was intertwined with tyres and material from the yard. If the Janda barrell was used as a method of transporting TH around was it in someone's vehicle, manually? It is nearly a km to the quarry. To get up to the temperature of incinerating the body then it sufficiently cooling to move and plant it on Avery's bonfire (so it gets knotted up with the rest of the material) in the timeline. I'm not sure how someone could have physically murdered her and planned and executed that in a few hours with Avery totally oblivious to it on his doorstep.
Steven Avery's appeal proposes all his own brothers, all the Dassey brothers including Brendan and Scott Tydach and a few other customers of the yard.

The brother, ex and roommate are completed red herrings and are not being proposed as possible suspects by the defence anymore.

daisybelle2008 wrote: »

Burned where? Removed to where?
Yeah I suppose I have trouble with that as I haven't seen a logical theory explored or mapped out, even by the defense. I can understand how the lack of evidence of Thereseas bones at the quarry would cause them to back off going near that, in any event it would probably have been overulled as too speculative without conclusive evidence of TH. Her body in the fire pit and barrell was intertwined with tyres and material from the yard. If the Janda barrell was used as a method of transporting TH around was it in someone's vehicle, manually? It is nearly a km to the quarry. To get up to the temperature of incinerating the body then it sufficiently cooling to move and plant it on Avery's bonfire (so it gets knotted up with the rest of the material) in the timeline. I'm not sure how someone could have physically murdered her and planned and executed that in a few hours with Avery totally oblivious to it on his doorstep.
Steven Avery's appeal proposes all his own brothers, all the Dassey brothers including Brendan and Scott Tydach and a few other customers of the yard.

The brother, ex and roommate are completed red herrings and are not being proposed as possible suspects by the defence anymore.

Because they weren't allowed to present alternative theories during the trial - the judge forbid it. This is one of the most baffling things of the whole legal system. Imagine the defense team having evidence that someone else committed the crime but not being able to use it. Bizarre! Of course all the above people you mentioned are suspects.

Also the insinuation throughout the show was that she wasn't killed at Avery's at all. There is a scene where a witness said he seen a car been driven down much later that night that for some reason he was suspicious about, and the police ignored it. I don't remember the details now. Also the defence made clear that the bones were moved to the Avery property. The scrapyard was huge, did you see the amount of cars? Very possible to do it without Avery noticing.

Just finished the series.

So many emotions and there are some very good people and some utter slim balls in it especially Ken Kratz and and the blue ribbon guy that was part of Brendan's first legal team. He deserves an Oscar IMO for his performance during rhe appeal appearance.

The brother of Teresa halbach I didn't like at all. He seemed too happy to talk to the media and didn't seem that upset from what I saw and if your sister was murdered you'd expect him to be upset to some degree.

Also the whole Brendan thing in episode 4 was awful to watch. He clearly had no way to understand what was happening.

I know people might give out about the gardai but compared to the police in this particular case I have to say I'm happier living in Ireland than Wisconsin.

On Steve avery, I don't think the state made a good enough case from the footage I saw to say beyond reasonable doubt that he was the person responsible.

Am I right in remembering that the local police dept were allowed on site for eight days without a warrant ? That seems madness to me.

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Because they weren't allowed to present alternative theories during the trial - the judge forbid it. This is one of the most baffling things of the whole legal system. Imagine the defense team having evidence that someone else committed the crime but not being able to use it. Bizarre! Of course all the above people you mentioned are suspects.

Also the insinuation throughout the show was that she wasn't killed at Avery's at all. There is a scene where a witness said he seen a car been driven down much later that night that for some reason he was suspicious about, and the police ignored it. I don't remember the details now. Also the defence made clear that the bones were moved to the Avery property. The scrapyard was huge, did you see the amount of cars? Very possible to do it without Avery noticing.

I have switched back and forth around Avery's involvement, I'm not aware of the actual evidence that someone else committed the crime you mention? That's the problem for the defence also they can't pin it down to less than 9 possible suspects. The brother looking a bit shifty does not put him on their list obviously. The moving around of the body theory has as many if not more holes than Avery actually doing it without moving it around. And Avery's sweat DNA under her hood is hard to explain away. I think that there is enough reasonable doubt not to convict but that doesn't mean Avery didn't do it. I'm not 100% sure he did but the alternative scenarios haven't been been mapped out for me to get behind one.

Halbach's brother is an interesting suspect. How many times in this country (and probably in other countries) have we seen Murderers to the fore of searches and in the front of the camera?

Though I don't think it was him.

El Inho wrote: »

What if there was to be a Making a Murderer Movie....

http://goos3d.ie/wholl-play-who-in-making-a-murderer-movie/

Funny I though it was a drama starring Eddie Izzard in the main role, he looks like Eddie Izzard on the poster IMO.

Lots of things keep flashing back to me. How more wasn't made of the blood vial from the previous case that was obviously tampered with from being held 'securely' in evidence vaults. Didn't that tampering not generate even 1% of a doubt as to where the blood was sourced from?

As the prosecuting investigator said, but I'm not sure it was said in trial, it didn't make sense that there was blood in the car but no fingerprints. You should have none or both.

Then again, when members of the jury had apparently their minds made up before they even set down to discuss the case what change does one stand.

daisybelle2008 wrote: »

I have switched back and forth around Avery's involvement, I'm not aware of the actual evidence that someone else committed the crime you mention? That's the problem for the defence also they can't pin it down to less than 9 possible suspects. The brother looking a bit shifty does not put him on their list obviously. The moving around of the body theory has as many if not more holes than Avery actually doing it without moving it around. And Avery's sweat DNA under her hood is hard to explain away. I think that there is enough reasonable doubt not to convict but that doesn't mean Avery didn't do it. I'm not 100% sure he did but the alternative scenarios haven't been been mapped out for me to get behind one.

I agree, the documentary purposely stayed away from presenting alternative scenarios, probably because they didn't want to defame anyone and also they wanted the viewer to make up their own mind. Anyway, there is plenty of stuff online about alternative scenarios but obviously a lack of evidence because the police never followed those trails. There was a couple of clues such as Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych having perfect alibis for each other, both of which were contradicted by the bus driver, and Bobby having scratches on his back the day after the murder.

Here's a very speculative theory:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3y91q8/how_bobby_dassey_could_have_killed_teresa_and_the/

Obviously short on evidence as the police never investigated him as a suspect, so read it for what it is.

Anyway all this misses the main point of the documentary. Even if Avery did it, the filmmakers have said the documentary is not about whether Avery did it or not, it's about exposing the problems in the legal system, and nobody can dispute that those problems exist. The inability of the defense to provide evidence implicating other suspects was one such problem.

fin12 wrote: »

I actually thought ur man was crying at the blue ribbon thing because he felt guilt and remorce of how he treated Brendan, like how he manipulated a 16 year old kid, he seemed to be giving direct honest answers to how he had conducted himself with Brendan and what his plan was all along...

I think he was acting, trying to get across the idea that he was did what he did because he was so hurt by what happened to Tesera Halbach. Which is a crock because he is supposed to be professional and represent his client first and foremost.

A Primal Nut wrote: »

For the most part but I wonder about some things especially regarding the interrogations and so on. Wouldn't surprise me if they'd use similar tactics.



I think so and they found the car key on the eight search. By a guy in trouble over the Steven Avery suit and belonging to the police department who handed over responsibility due to a conflict of interest.

I mean from the pictures or the key if it was were it was photographed then you wouldn't need to search EIGHT times.

I'm just watching another documentary now on Netflix, Deliver us from Evil, anyone else watching it or has watched, its heartbreaking, this is some sick world we live in.....