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RoyalMarine · 23-12-2015 02:29PM

mid 80's to 90's in my opinion shouldn't be reached.

Running furmark with 2560 x 1440 on 8x MSAA, my GTX 970 reaches 54*c after 30 mins.

Redfox25 · 23-12-2015 02:44PM

RoyalMarine wrote: »

mid 80's to 90's in my opinion shouldn't be reached.

Running furmark with 2560 x 1440 on 8x MSAA, my GTX 970 reaches 54*c after 30 mins.

The 970 is a much cooler card. Its the nature of the 390 or so it seems to hit that sort of temp. I did some more reading of reviews and they all seem to be on the hot side. It does state in a few reviews that they dont suffer any damage from these temps. I had thought originally that the temps might have brought about the coil whine.

Thumbs up to Amazon, the replacement is on its way, thats less than 16 hours since I made contact with them. Will see how this one goes and if its noisy too then will see about getting a sapphire Tri-x card, they seem to be coolest of the bunch.

Will play with my case fan profiles too to see if i can get more airflow going. The CPU doesnt get hot enough to spin them up fully so might have to tweak it more.

Anyone know if the gigabyte app, SIV or if Msi Afterburner will allow you to set up a custom fan profile for case fans based on the temps of the gpu as well as the cpu?

MarkAnthony · 23-12-2015 02:48PM

It's all down to the thermal design of the card. You can't make a sweeping statement that X temp is the temp for all architectures. AMD have always been about putting as much power through it and creating shed loads of heat. Intel (CPU) and Nvida (GPU) are about better refinement etc. The AMD R9 2 and 3 series are perfectly happy at 95C and will keep going at that temp well beyond their useful life.

Your VRMs on the other hand are quite happy up to 125C but it's amazing the amount of people that get close to the limit there and never bother to check

Genghiz Cohen · 23-12-2015 02:48PM

Redfox25 wrote: »

I have pretty good airflow in case, 200mm with no cages in front blowing in air and 3 140mm out take fans at the top/back.
The Sapphire looks good but they dont seem to sell it atm, what is the Asus Stix like or should I just stick with XFX?

You might have negative air pressure, if you could move one of those 140mm's to blow in from the front or bottom it might help.

I am an Asus fanboi, I was very impressed with their DCU2 coolers and Strix looks like the next gen of that. That said, Windforce and Tri-X also look like solid coolers. Not so sure about the XFX ones.

Redfox25 · 23-12-2015 03:39PM

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

You might have negative air pressure, if you could move one of those 140mm's to blow in from the front or bottom it might help.

I am an Asus fanboi, I was very impressed with their DCU2 coolers and Strix looks like the next gen of that. That said, Windforce and Tri-X also look like solid coolers. Not so sure about the XFX ones.

Hi.
You are probably right about the negative pressure in the case. The case fans are tied into the cpu temp via the fan hub in my case (Phanteks Enthoo luxe).
As the CPU doesnt get very hot they are not spinning up to high speeds to get a good airflow going in the case.

I might take the 200mm fan off the front and put it on the top and put 2 of the 3 140's on the front. There isnt space on the floor to fit a fan with the psu shroud in place. I did take out the 3.5inch drive holders as they were not being used. That seems to have boosted the cool air hitting the gpu.

Is there a way to set up fan profiles based on the gpu as well as the cpu using Afterburner or the Gigabyte app, System Information Viewer.

On cards, I do like the Strix alright. It would be a flip up between that and the Sapphire one. Will see how this card goes.

RoyalMarine · 23-12-2015 03:52PM

but to be 30*c higher surely isn't right?

Redfox25 · 23-12-2015 03:55PM

MarkAnthony wrote: »

It's all down to the thermal design of the card. You can't make a sweeping statement that X temp is the temp for all architectures. AMD have always been about putting as much power through it and creating shed loads of heat. Intel (CPU) and Nvida (GPU) are about better refinement etc. The AMD R9 2 and 3 series are perfectly happy at 95C and will keep going at that temp well beyond their useful life.

Your VRMs on the other hand are quite happy up to 125C but it's amazing the amount of people that get close to the limit there and never bother to check

Always good to know
Cheers.
I can happily say that xfx havr improved the vrm cooling issues they had with their 290's. The heatsink now covers them correctly.

TerrorFirmer · 23-12-2015 04:24PM

RoyalMarine wrote: »

but to be 30*c higher surely isn't right?

Entirely feasible when you compare a superior cooling solution on a cooler card, to a less effective cooler on a far hotter card.

90c is perfectly fine for the card, not dangerous. You'd be safe up to 100-110c. I used to have a passively cooled 8800GT years ago and it reached almost 120c under peak load.

RoyalMarine · 23-12-2015 04:26PM

maybe it's just me worrying so

I'd just feel skeptical with something being that hot inside a closed container with other electrical components that cost me the guts of €2k running when I'm asleep or at work.

(granted it's never near those temps when im not here so I guess nothing to worry about)

Gumbi · 23-12-2015 04:57PM

People need to stop using Furmark for stress testing. My card throttles at stock unless I up the power limit. It puts way too much stress on your card.

The Asus cooler for the 290/390 is terrible as they slapped the design from the 780 right onto it, and one or two of the heatpipes make no contact with the GPU at all!

The XFX 390 is fine, 90c is high under load. Make sure it's mounted correctly and that your case has good airflow.

My VaporX 290x runs at 68c after hours of gaming Witcher 3, with all case fans at lowest speed with fan controller and my auto fan speed settings (fan at 40%). That's with somewhat low idles but you can see the headroom I have! Excellent case cooling and a good aftermarket cooler are all helping though,

ED E · 23-12-2015 05:31PM

Gumbi wrote: »

People need to stop using Furmark for stress testing. My card throttles at stock unless I up the power limit. It puts way too much stress on your card.

Would you suggest prime95 is too hard on CPUs? Doubt it. Furmark is just fine.

Gumbi · 23-12-2015 05:44PM

ED E wrote: »

Would you suggest prime95 is too hard on CPUs? Doubt it. Furmark is just fine.

It depends. I mean if it throttles my VaporX at stock (power throttles), then I can imagine with removed power limit and a weak cooler it can makes chips very hot.

As regards Prime95, if you have a Haswell or higher chip and use a certain version of Prime95 with AVX instructions it can indeed be a bad idea to use it. Even at stock...

It gets INSANELY hot with AVX instructions under load.

Gumbi · 23-12-2015 05:47PM

I can find plenty examples very easily, but here's a guy getting almost 80c with decent water cooling (equivalent to high end air) at stock clocks http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2238396/4790k-prime95-avx-questions.html

I wouldn't recommend it. It won't damage your chip (plenty of protective features will kick in, but it's not a useful barometer of a stable overclock or anything. Same goes for Furmark in my view.

Solitaire · 24-12-2015 03:43PM

"Raptr has now enabled video recording whether you want it or not!"
And 3 seconds later...
"Raptr is no longer responding"
Then
"Raptr.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close."

ggwp raptr/AMD...

Ever the master of timing, my old Fractal 140mm top exhaust has now decided its a good time to start screaming and roaring with an impending bearing failure that I have taken to fixing by jamming stationary in it until its quits its grumbling. Its beginning to look a lot like Christmas.... :rolleyes::pac:

Merry Christmas and a booze-laden New Year to those of you who have better things to do than lurk on here tomorrow!

Calvin · 25-12-2015 06:09PM

970 and PSU installed :cool: happy christmas guys!

ED E · 25-12-2015 07:46PM

Next year the father is getting an iPad and I'm revoking his right to use a PC.

Merry christmas all.

AlmightyCushion · 25-12-2015 07:55PM

ED E wrote: »

Next year the father is getting an iPad and I'm revoking his right to use a PC.

Merry christmas all.

All located on the desktop.

ED E · 25-12-2015 08:49PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

All located on the desktop.

Yup.

I renamed it to stop explorer from crashing out every minute.

AlmightyCushion · 25-12-2015 08:57PM

ED E wrote: »

Yup.

I renamed it to stop explorer from crashing out every minute.

Ha ha. I didn't realise it was actually the desktop folder. That was a joke. Turned out it was true.

Mr Blobby · 25-12-2015 09:23PM

So which sites are best for January sales? Looking to pick up a 970 and another 8gb of RAM.

RoyalMarine · 26-12-2015 01:40AM

Gf got me a Logitech Orion G910!!
And an NXZT S340 black and blue
4 x corsair AF120's
Mac Mini 2012 (second hand) and 16gb of ram and SSD to upgrade it

Will go very nicely with my proteos core mouse and G430 headset

She knows the way to my heart!

RoyalMarine · 28-12-2015 07:23PM

So finally got around to setting up the keyboard and other few bits.

This keyboard is the sexiest thing I've seen

MarkAnthony · 28-12-2015 08:43PM

RoyalMarine wrote: »

So finally got around to setting up the keyboard and other few bits.

This keyboard is the sexiest thing I've seen

Err...

RoyalMarine wrote: »

Gf got me a Logitech Orion G910!!
And an NXZT S340 black and blue
4 x corsair AF120's
Mac Mini 2012 (second hand) and 16gb of ram and SSD to upgrade it

Will go very nicely with my proteos core mouse and G430 headset

She knows the way to my heart!

That memory of your needs work, and I'm not talking about the RAM. Expect a lot less RAM is the GF is on boards :pac:

RoyalMarine · 29-12-2015 12:20PM

MarkAnthony wrote: »

Err...

That memory of your needs work, and I'm not talking about the RAM. Expect a lot less RAM is the GF is on boards :pac:

She's foreign. She doesn't even know what boards is ðŸ˜Ž

TheDoc · 30-12-2015 01:16PM

Having a read of various threads, and can't help but feel that like so many other communities and even tech websites, there is a lot of misinformation about the new Pascal range of cards coming out. A card with a design method for unique servers and "supercomputers" with absolutely no indication of reveals related to gaming, a lot of people drawing conclusions over nothing.

I rarely keep up to date on the latest range of stuff, as I only start getting interested when I'm going to upgrade, but seems astonishing the amount of conclusions being drawn this early on about the Pascal range, with absolutely no details from Nvidia.

game4it70 · 30-12-2015 01:24PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Having a read of various threads, and can't help but feel that like so many other communities and even tech websites, there is a lot of misinformation about the new Pascal range of cards coming out. A card with a design method for unique servers and "supercomputers" with absolutely no indication of reveals related to gaming, a lot of people drawing conclusions over nothing.

I rarely keep up to date on the latest range of stuff, as I only start getting interested when I'm going to upgrade, but seems astonishing the amount of conclusions being drawn this early on about the Pascal range, with absolutely no details from Nvidia.

Exactly,the key thing to remember about this "info" that is out there is that its all rumors at this stage with sites just using it as clickbait.

TheDoc · 30-12-2015 01:46PM

game4it70 wrote: »

Exactly,the key thing to remember about this "info" that is out there is that its all rumors at this stage with sites just using it as clickbait.

As I don't normally keep myself up to the latest, I tend to not get into the "correction" posts, but even a few posts I've seen on here in the last week, and especially on places like BuildaPc on reddit are extremely misleading.

Like for example if I was looking to buy a 970 say now, from the information provided by Nvidia in what looked to be a pretty detailed keynote, I'd see no reason to recommend holding off for that card. As its looking to me like a specialist unit not really for domestic use. And I doubt it will have a price impact on the existing ranges of cards surely?

Serephucus · 30-12-2015 02:17PM

I would actually hold off on a 970 purchase (to jump into correction posts myself. :P) as recently there's been a lot of demand for them, and a slowdown in supply - may or may not be due to Pascal. The result being that 970s are about 10-15% more expensive than normal, at least in the US. I haven't looked into pricing here much.

As for Pascal: I've made a few speculative posts myself lately, but I don't think the information has been misleading. What we can say based on known figures from NVIDIA is that the flagship part will be extremely powerful. We've known this for a long time. Now, this is in terms of raw compute power which, you're right, doesn't always translate into games, but it's a fair indication.

AlmightyCushion · 30-12-2015 02:44PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Having a read of various threads, and can't help but feel that like so many other communities and even tech websites, there is a lot of misinformation about the new Pascal range of cards coming out. A card with a design method for unique servers and "supercomputers" with absolutely no indication of reveals related to gaming, a lot of people drawing conclusions over nothing.

I rarely keep up to date on the latest range of stuff, as I only start getting interested when I'm going to upgrade, but seems astonishing the amount of conclusions being drawn this early on about the Pascal range, with absolutely no details from Nvidia.

Maxwell was originally meant to be produced at 20nm process node. Something went wrong, TMSC couldn't get to 20nm in time so nVidia they went back to 28nm for it. Pascal should be going 16nm and it looks like TMSC is able to do in volume so it should be ready for Pascal's launch. With Pascal nVidia will be using HBM2. We've seen what HBM has done for AMD with the Fury line (lower power usage vs GDDR5 so they can push core clock speeds higher and much higher memory bandwidth) and HBM2 is twice as fast and not limited to only 4GBs. These are two big technological leaps that will help performance regardless of anything else. If you were to take a 980Ti and shrink it to 16nm and change the memory from GDDR5 to HBM2 it would have a lot more memory bandwidth and would allow for increase clocks and lower power usage and heat. That's without even taking into account the improvements a new architecture can bring. This is part of the reason why people are so excited for Pascal and Arctic Islands.

Headshot · 30-12-2015 02:52PM

Im tempted to get this

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00XA1A3NU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1ENGI3QDWM2UF

This it would be great for kodi

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