Force Awakens TheoRey [SPOILERS]

robdonn · 17-12-2015 03:30PM #1

WARNING - We will be discussing all of the released Star Wars movies, including the Force Awakens. If you have not seen EpVII yet and you do not want it to be spoiled, come back another day. Also, theories will be suggested that may actually turn out to be true, so there is the potential of ruining future movies.

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OK, I've created this thread so we don''t have to fill the Force Awakens thread with big grey blobs (spoiler tags).

So we now have some hints as to who Rey is and where she came from but we are still frustratingly clueless. So, all theories are welcome as to her origin, her relationship with other characters, etc.

Tigger wrote: »

this is what i believe except i think that her parents think she is dead and that she was hidden by a third side
i also think the one grabbing her was Max von snydo and that he is bobba fett

This is an awesome theory, adding that Leia and Han are her parents, I love the thought that Bobba Fett escaped the sarlacc pit and got his revenge on Han by stealing his daughter. Han and Leia may have even thought that she had died which is why they don't talk about her, appear to ever be looking for her or even suspect that she is their child when they meet her.

Into The Blue · 17-12-2015 03:30PM

There's already a spoiler thread

robdonn · 17-12-2015 03:34PM

Into The Blue wrote: »

There's already a spoiler thread

I know, but people are already starting to use spoiler tags in it because they are discussing theories about possible future revelations.

That thread is for people have seen the movie already, but not necessarily for people who want to speculate about the future movies. Or maybe I'm completely wrong, in which case I'll delete this thread.

Tigger · 17-12-2015 05:33PM

well i think he's right
but i'm him so i would

Into The Blue · 17-12-2015 05:34PM

The lad is being digested for 1000 years!

Tigger · 17-12-2015 05:37PM

he's in armour and is awesome he clearly escaped

look here what i found
http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2015/04/disney-makes-it-official-that-boba-fett-survived-the-sarlacc-in-return-of-the-jedi.html

The above image is a screenshot from the Battle of Jakku DLC set to arrive ahead of Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which will depict “the pivotal moment when the New Republic confronted key Imperial holdouts on a remote desert planet on the Outer Rim [and takes place] in the aftermath of the Rebel victory in the Battle of Endor”. You’ll notice that Boba Fett takes centre stage, but look to the top right and you’ll also notice a Star Destroyer crashing to the ground – the very Star Destroyer we see in the trailer for The Force Awakens…

so he';s in a cannon game on Jakku

yay

Cantstandsya · 17-12-2015 09:40PM

I posted these questions in the movie thread without realising there was a thread here for the specific purpose so just gonna paste them in...

1) Who is Rey? In the build up to the film the talk seemed nailed on that she was Han's daughter... I was waiting for a reveal that never came. Looking back on it there is a moment where Kylo Ren is interrogating her, probing her mind, and he sees an island in the sea. Has Rey been to Luke's planet before? Is she Luke's daughter?

2) Is Snoke actually that tall? I was half expecting a final scene with him being a few inches tall as a big reveal. We've been told he has "obvious weaknesses" but apart from his face I couldn't make out what they might be.

3) There was a rumour that Lupita Nyongyo didn't gel with the CGI acting. That a lot of Maz Kanata's scenes were removed. I had read somewhere else that there was to be a lot more exposition in the flashback scene in her castle... spelling out in more obvious terms what happened with Luke and Kylo. What are other's opinions? It seems to me that they might have removed some answers to allow for a few reveals in the next movie... the obvious one being Rey's background.

4) Where is the Republic? We're told that the first order are being fought by the resistance who are a proxy for the Republic... why aren't the Republic themselves just fighting them?

I think it's good for a movie to leave a few questions but some of them were just too obviously in need of an answer to be left for the sequel. In particular the politics of the galaxy just make no sense to me. I know the last thing anyone wants is more politics in a Star Wars film but the entire first order vs resistance/republic thing makes no sense.

Tigger · 17-12-2015 10:00PM

Cantstandsya wrote: »

I posted these questions in the movie thread without realising there was a thread here for the specific purpose so just gonna paste them in...

1) Who is Rey? In the build up to the film the talk seemed nailed on that she was Han's daughter... I was waiting for a reveal that never came. Looking back on it there is a moment where Kylo Ren is interrogating her, probing her mind, and he sees an island in the sea. Has Rey been to Luke's planet before? Is she Luke's daughter?

2) Is Snoke actually that tall? I was half expecting a final scene with him being a few inches tall as a big reveal. We've been told he has "obvious weaknesses" but apart from his face I couldn't make out what they might be.

3) There was a rumour that Lupita Nyongyo didn't gel with the CGI acting. That a lot of Maz Kanata's scenes were removed. I had read somewhere else that there was to be a lot more exposition in the flashback scene in her castle... spelling out in more obvious terms what happened with Luke and Kylo. What are other's opinions? It seems to me that they might have removed some answers to allow for a few reveals in the next movie... the obvious one being Rey's background.

4) Where is the Republic? We're told that the first order are being fought by the resistance who are a proxy for the Republic... why aren't the Republic themselves just fighting them?

I think it's good for a movie to leave a few questions but some of them were just too obviously in need of an answer to be left for the sequel. In particular the politics of the galaxy just make no sense to me. I know the last thing anyone wants is more politics in a Star Wars film but the entire first order vs resistance/republic thing makes no sense.

1) She is a granddaughter of Queen Amadalia and Anikin Skywaker shes the image of her and has his powers
either by luke or by leia
she was hidden on that planet by Max Von Snydo who i'm discussing here and i believe to be Boba Fett

2)i'd say he's tiny

4)the republic are the people, some fight back against the oppressors some resist

ShaneU · 17-12-2015 10:03PM

Tigger wrote: »

she was hidden on that planet by Max Von Snydo who i'm discussing here and i believe to be Boba Fett

He's not Boba Fett, character's name is Lor San Tekka

Cantstandsya wrote: »

I posted these questions in the movie thread without realising there was a thread here for the specific purpose so just gonna paste them in...

1) Who is Rey? In the build up to the film the talk seemed nailed on that she was Han's daughter... I was waiting for a reveal that never came. Looking back on it there is a moment where Kylo Ren is interrogating her, probing her mind, and he sees an island in the sea. Has Rey been to Luke's planet before? Is she Luke's daughter?

2) Is Snoke actually that tall? I was half expecting a final scene with him being a few inches tall as a big reveal. We've been told he has "obvious weaknesses" but apart from his face I couldn't make out what they might be.

1) Either Luke or Leia's daughter. Probably Luke because she seen him touching R2 in her vision

2) It's a hologram so no-one knows, could be yoda size for all we know. We'll find out in the next movie

Red King · 17-12-2015 10:08PM

Andy Serkis said that Snoke is 7feet tall.

It is pretty obvious that Rey is a Skywalker, there is too many similarities what with her similarity to Leia and Padme, her force abilities, that Anakin/Luke's saber was calling to her, that the Burning Homestead theme music plays when she force grabs the saber, her growing up isolated on a desert planet not knowing her parents...how many more hints do people need?

And Lucas himself stated that Fett escaped the Sarlaac pit...the only problem with the Fett = Von Sydow theory is that Von Sydow is clearly not Maori, which Temuera Morrison is...another reason to hate the prequels

Cantstandsya · 17-12-2015 10:08PM

Tigger wrote: »

1)

4)the republic are the people, some fight back against the oppressors some resist

Nah the Republic fleet is specifically mentioned at least once (by C3PO) and there is a fleet around one of the planets destroyed by the super weapon.

Tigger · 17-12-2015 10:09PM

ShaneU wrote: »

He's not Boba Fett, character's name is Lor San Tekka

1) Either Luke or Leia's daughter. Probably Luke because she seen him touching R2 in her vision

2) It's a hologram so no-one knows, could be yoda size for all we know. We'll find out in the next week.

of course he's going by a different name

Tigger · 17-12-2015 10:10PM

Red King wrote: »

Andy Serkis said that Snoke is 7feet tall.

It is pretty obvious that Rey is a Skywalker, there is too many similarities what with her similarity to Leia and Padme, her force abilities, that Anakin/Luke's saber was calling to her, that the Burning Homestead theme music plays when she force grabs the saber, her growing up isolated on a desert planet not knowing her parents...how many more hints do people need?

And Lucas himself stated that Fett escaped the Sarlaac pit...the only problem with the Fett = Von Sydow theory is that Von Sydow is clearly not Maori, which Temuera Morrison is...another reason to hate the prequels

yeah the prequels

i started thinking he's the same age he's involved his stronghold has fetts symbol front and center and fett is inevitable
then i found the game which is cannon and has fett on the same planet
a little racial disguising later and here's Bobby

Cantstandsya · 17-12-2015 10:10PM

Red King wrote: »

It is pretty obvious that Rey is a Skywalker, there is too many similarities what with her similarity to Leia and Padme, her force abilities, that Anakin/Luke's saber was calling to her, that the Burning Homestead theme music plays when she force grabs the saber, her growing up isolated on a desert planet not knowing her parents...how many more hints do people need?

I agree it's obvious. It's so obvious that I can't understand why they didn't just say it. I'd imagine they even filmed a scene with it being acknowledged but cut it out just to have something to reveal in the next film.

When I ask "who is Rey" I merely mean is she Leia's or Luke's daughter. It seems a pointless reveal to hold back.

Red King · 17-12-2015 10:11PM

And suddenly changed ethnicity?

Von Sydow is not Boba Fett

Cantstandsya · 17-12-2015 10:11PM

Red King wrote: »

Andy Serkis said that Snoke is 7feet tall.

It is pretty obvious that Rey is a Skywalker, there is too many similarities what with her similarity to Leia and Padme, her force abilities, that Anakin/Luke's saber was calling to her, that the Burning Homestead theme music plays when she force grabs the saber, her growing up isolated on a desert planet not knowing her parents...how many more hints do people need?

And Lucas himself stated that Fett escaped the Sarlaac pit...the only problem with the Fett = Von Sydow theory is that Von Sydow is clearly not Maori, which Temuera Morrison is...another reason to hate the prequels

As dumb as this sounds Fett isn't a Maori, he's a Mandalorian and they can just handwave it and say that's how they age. It's a sci fi film so I wouldn't see that as an issue.

Tigger · 17-12-2015 10:16PM

Red King wrote: »

And suddenly changed ethnicity?

Von Sydow is not Boba Fett

ok then he works for him

Red King · 17-12-2015 11:05PM

Tigger wrote: »

ok then he works for him

That makes no sense, sorry your theory is fun but full of holes.

Tigger · 18-12-2015 12:43AM

the sarlaic juices bleached him

Cantstandsya · 18-12-2015 12:54AM

Tigger wrote: »

the sarlaic juices bleached him

Michael Jackson = Bobba Fett shocker (thriller?)

TLOA72 · 18-12-2015 01:35AM

Luke could well be reys father, they question I want to know is who is the mother?

robdonn · 18-12-2015 11:30AM

Rey Jinn, great-granddaughter of Qui-Gon... The circle is now complete!

Tigger · 18-12-2015 02:43PM

i found more stuff

this is an archive of a rumor from may

http://archive.is/LWj1f

which was taken down and replaced with the men in black forget zapper

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/05/08/max-von-sydow-confirmed-as-boba-fett-2916815?lt_source=external,manual

So, just how serious should we take this Star Wars rumor? The original story was run by MoviePilot, but they mysteriously took the article down with no explanation after claiming they had “confirmed” Max Von Sydow’s Boba Fett movie role. Perhaps the Disney lawyers descended like stormtroopers?
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2076050/boba-fett-movie-casts-max-von-sydow-cast-as-bounty-hunter-says-star-wars-spinoff-rumors/#QGkVOuAKQxGt4m3O.99

bilston · 19-12-2015 10:27AM

TLOA72 wrote: »

Luke could well be reys father, they question I want to know is who is the mother?

Some Mara Jade type character I would have thought.

Cantstandsya · 19-12-2015 04:07PM

I think the film hinted more towards Rey being Luke's daughter than Han and Leia's... the clincher for me is that Ren found images of the island in the sea when he was interrogating her.

... but there did seem to be some deep bond between her and Leia at the end so I might well be wrong.

Venom · 20-12-2015 10:23PM

bilston wrote: »

Some Mara Jade type character I would have thought.

Does Mara Jade even exist seeing as when Disney took over, they announced that the expanded universe would have no bearing on future Star Wars project?

Whyohwhy? · 20-12-2015 10:44PM

Venom wrote: »

Does Mara Jade even exist seeing as when Disney took over, they announced that the expanded universe would have no bearing on future Star Wars project?

I'd say they'll be cherry picking who and what they want from the expanded universe to suit themselves, they own it, they'll do whatever suits them.

NomadicGray · 21-12-2015 01:07AM

Wasnt it claimed Anakin had no father?
So maybe Rey has no mother...

Talisman · 21-12-2015 09:07AM

A few things that occurred to me since watching the movie which relate to Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy.

In the Thrawn Trilogy there is a story arc about Leia being pregnant with twins, a boy and a girl. The antagonist in the story wants the twins because they are of the Anakin Skywalker bloodline. Luke and Leia are twins that were separated at birth it's not beyond the realm of possibility that the decision was taken to do the same with Leia's children.

The Thrawn books could also explain the appearance of the First Order. In the story arc it mentions that Emperor Palpatine had sent some of his top scientists and forces out beyond the Outer Rim. He had a vision of the fall of the Empire and wanted to keep them out of the reach of the Rebellion.

The lightsaber in the box that Rey found was the one that Luke lost at Bespin City. Attached to that lightsaber was his arm, if the lightsaber was found it's reasonable to assume that so was the limb. The First Order have the cloning technology ...

In the Thrawn trilogy, the antagonist is the clone of a Jedi. In Episode V, Luke had a vision at the cave under the tree on Dagobah. When he strikes down Darth Vader the masked head rolls to reveal the face of Luke Skywalker.

whatawaster · 21-12-2015 11:37AM

Talisman wrote: »

The lightsaber in the box that Rey found was the one that Luke lost at Bespin City. Attached to that lightsaber was his arm, if the lightsaber was found it's reasonable to assume that so was the limb. The First Order have the cloning technology ...

Two things:

"attached to the lightsaber was his arm" - No, the muscles in his hand, controlled by Luke Skywalkers central nervous system, were gripping the lightsaber. Once his hand was cut off the saber and the hand would have been separated.

The first order might have cloning technology, but the First Order didn't find the lightsaber, and there's nothing to suggest they found Luke Skywalker's hand.

Talisman · 21-12-2015 12:52PM

whatawaster wrote: »

Two things:

"attached to the lightsaber was his arm" - No, the muscles in his hand, controlled by Luke Skywalkers central nervous system, were gripping the lightsaber. Once his hand was cut off the saber and the hand would have been separated.

I stand corrected, his hand, not his arm was severed, but it was attached to the lightsaber.

luke%20skywalker%20hand.jpg

One of the first potential plot leaks had the hand and lightsaber featuring in the opening scene of the movie.
Star Wars 7: Plot details 'leak', with sequel's opening sequence and premise revealed (The Independent, 21 July 2014)

The first order might have cloning technology, but the First Order didn't find the lightsaber, and there's nothing to suggest they found Luke Skywalker's hand.

There's no might about them having the cloning technology, they do have it and it was specifically mentioned in the scene where they decided to activate the Starkiller base.

It is likely that the recovery of the severed hand occurred while Bespin was under Imperial control. The lightsaber itself would only be of significance to a Jedi, Skywalker's DNA on the other hand would be of great interest to anyone who wanted to create an army of Sith.

I don't want to have to spoil the Thrawn trilogy but it's worth a read.

Force Awakens TheoRey [SPOILERS]

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