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Some UK Muslims think “concentration camps” are close

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  • #32
    Log9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭Log9


    The right wing of the US Republican Party has somewhat lost the plot on this topic and gone into full manure stirring mode.

    The politics some of those candidates are pursuing is really crossing into National Front territory. It's populist xenophobia playing to a very particular audience. That audience isn't most Americans though and I think that'll be reflected in the elections.

    If the republicans pick an extreme candidate they aren't likely to win and will just divide Americans even further. A very high % of Americans are absolutely nothing like the red neck stereotypes.

    There's a reason too why voter turnout in the US is so abysmally low - a lot of the population is so turned off by politics like this that they're not participating anymore. You've only got a choice of two parties. The republicans are increasingly abandoning the Tory-like fiscal conservative voters and only interested in guns, gay, God and abortion and right wing Christian stuff while the democrats would remind you of Fianna Fáil crossed with Mayor Quimby of Springfield.

    It's not exactly a wonderful panel to chose from which is why a lot of Americans just switch off and stay at home assuming that it'll make no difference anyway. That's largely what's been happening with US politics since the 1970s.


  • #33
    marklazarcovic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,232 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    they dont feel british,dont want to be british yet more arrive all the time to feed off Britain ,why not go 'home' and not be oppressed there,the thing is they want to stay,to occupy,and to have their laws introduced into a 'foreign' country and expect it to be ok.


    racism works both ways


  • #34
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    tonycascarino wrote: »
    Complete ott reaction by the Muslim community. Then again this is the community who get offended & angry over almost everything

    I'm sorry, were you talking about Muslims or Jews there in your second sentence?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #35
    DellyBelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    strelok wrote: »
    some Uk muslims are idiots

    I'd say you could change some to most...silly views and just more scaremongering


  • #36
    MonkeyTennis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭MonkeyTennis


    There is a lot of 'they's in this thread. It makes uncomfortable reading.


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
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    Mod

    MakeEmLaugh - you have developed a trend of posting racial related threads and no other kind. You've also developed a trend of not being involved in the threads which you start.

    Please ensure that you contribute to your own threads from now on and please do not use this forum to push an agenda.

    Thank you.


  • #38
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    The saddest thing to come from the emergence and growth of IS is the divide between moderates on both sides, turning so many people toward more extreme views which can only lead to further disharmony and problems.

    This really could have been avoided, I fear a little more for the world my kids and grandchildren will be inheriting due to poor decisions of today

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #39
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    marklazarcovic wrote: »
    they dont feel british,dont want to be british yet more arrive all the time to feed off Britain ,why not go 'home' and not be oppressed there,the thing is they want to stay,to occupy,and to have their laws introduced into a 'foreign' country and expect it to be ok.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/nov/23/muslims-proud-britain

    But yet more British Muslims are proud to be British than their English Christian counterparts.

    Your talk of "occupation" and "feeding off Britain" says it all really, nonsense comments rooted in ignorance.


  • #40
    kettlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭kettlehead


    FTA69 wrote: »
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/nov/23/muslims-proud-britain

    But yet more British Muslims are proud to be British than their English Christian counterparts.

    Your talk of "occupation" and "feeding off Britain" says it all really, nonsense comments rooted in ignorance.

    They consider themselves British because they are not English. You know this.


  • #41
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    kettlehead wrote: »
    They consider themselves British because they are not English. You know this.

    What's your point?


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  • #42
    kettlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭kettlehead


    FTA69 wrote: »
    What's your point?

    They are not English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish. "British" is a catch all term. Of course they embrace it.


  • #43
    Eoin247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Eoin247


    The people who actually think this are completely out of touch with reality. There is absolutely no comparison and quite frankly this is more than a bit insulting to the victims who were affected by the Nazi holocaust.


  • #44
    Knasher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    If that lad honestly thought concentration camps were close, then he would probably be looking to flee the country, not relaxing in a Sisha bar.

    There is a lot of hate directed at the Muslim community though, and that is a massive problem because there is nothing more effective at breading disenfranchisement, and then radicalisation.


  • #45
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    kettlehead wrote: »
    Is there anywhere where Muslims are happy?

    The paradise that is 'Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant'?


  • #46
    LDN_Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    kettlehead wrote: »
    They are not English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish. "British" is a catch all term. Of course they embrace it.

    Spent much time there? Plenty of Anglos consider themselves British above E/S/W/I. Plenty of non Anglos (including muslims) consider themselves English. I don't think the point you seem to be trying to make is accurate.


  • #47
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Utter nonsense and they know it, and yet such loose talk is likely to invite hostility on all Muslims - after all they have it all in Britain really - freedom to move, to speak (nonsense), social welfare, a live and let live "multicultural" society rather than the French integrationist approach and now some of think they are about to be herded (all 2.5 million of them!) into camps.

    Idiots.


  • #48
    kettlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭kettlehead


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    Spent much time there? Plenty of Anglos consider themselves British above E/S/W/I. Plenty of non Anglos (including muslims) consider themselves English. I don't think the point you seem to be trying to make is accurate.

    Nice username.


  • #49
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Utter bollox, if majority Muslim counties showed half the tolerance, progressivness and inclusion that Britain does the world would be a far better place.


  • #50
    carlostj22
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 17 ✭carlostj22


    its no over-reaction, catholics were interned up north, why would it not happen in the mainland? there is a statement from Churchill jealous of germanys economic progress which basically said we should destroy that country. its just come out recently that the uk government ordered the assasination of catholics to stoke up tension.

    thats exactly what the powers want - a right wing society. get rid of those 'idiot' hippy communists. keep the money coming in - for their famililes and future kids, of course. The irony is hilarious as the arab springs were to get rid of this type of system.
    but we all know the dollar is basically backed up by middle eastern oil which is protected by the us army. hence the assasination of gaddafi and saddam who wanted to trade their oil in euros.

    If i was muslim i would be pretty pissed off at the wests interference in middle eastern countries only to come here cos my gaff in the desert was bombed by a drone, possibly with half my family in it. Upon arrival im verbally abused by these spoilt greedy monkeys who wouldnt know a warzone if it hit them in the head.

    A section of jewish religion states; screw ur fellow man over for everything u can get off him. terrorism and climate change....infinite problems because of capitalism, greed. thats all the media is talking about but nothing about the huge debt all governements are in with the jewish banks. and to think the big western propaganda machine that is hollywood has so many right wing jews behind it.

    in other words ur all being screwed over and if ur thinking of ur childrens future, just think of the schools being bombed in yemen by us bombs supplied to saudi arabia, a left wing muslim counntry along with al-queda, taliban aand isis.

    right wing westerners in cahoots with left wing muslims for their personal gain while the much more peaceful left wing westerners and right wing shia muslims are the victims.


  • #51
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    marklazarcovic wrote: »
    they dont feel british,dont want to be british yet more arrive all the time to feed off Britain ,why not go 'home' and not be oppressed there,the thing is they want to stay,to occupy,and to have their laws introduced into a 'foreign' country and expect it to be ok.


    racism works both ways

    "sectarianism" and it seems to be going one way only in the above post.


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  • #52
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    carlostj22 wrote: »
    its no over-reaction, catholics were interned up north, why would it not happen in the mainland? there is a statement from Churchill jealous of germanys economic progress which basically said we should destroy that country. its just come out recently that the uk government ordered the assasination of catholics to stoke up tension.

    thats exactly what the powers want - a right wing society. get rid of those 'idiot' hippy communists. keep the money coming in - for their famililes and future kids, of course. The irony is hilarious as the arab springs were to get rid of this type of system.
    but we all know the dollar is basically backed up by middle eastern oil which is protected by the us army. hence the assasination of gaddafi and saddam who wanted to trade their oil in euros.

    If i was muslim i would be pretty pissed off at the wests interference in middle eastern countries only to come here cos my gaff in the desert was bombed by a drone, possibly with half my family in it. Upon arrival im verbally abused by these spoilt greedy monkeys who wouldnt know a warzone if it hit them in the head.

    A section of jewish religion states; screw ur fellow man over for everything u can get off him. terrorism and climate change....infinite problems because of capitalism, greed. thats all the media is talking about but nothing about the huge debt all governements are in with the jewish banks. and to think the big western propaganda machine that is hollywood has so many right wing jews behind it.

    in other words ur all being screwed over and if ur thinking of ur childrens future, just think of the schools being bombed in yemen by us bombs supplied to saudi arabia, a left wing muslim counntry along with al-queda, taliban aand isis.

    right wing westerners in cahoots with left wing muslims for their personal gain while the much more peaceful left wing westerners and right wing shia muslims are the victims.

    Any Muslims i know are in business and they are quite fond of the capitalist way of life in the west


  • #53
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    From my time in the UK I recall that most Muslims do fine there and most British are fine with them.

    But no news stories or discussions arise from such dullness, so we have ...


  • #54
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Channel 4 doing a sensationalist news piece!?!

    Well, I never...


  • #55
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    carlostj22 wrote: »
    its no over-reaction, catholics were interned up north, why would it not happen in the mainland? there is a statement from Churchill jealous of germanys economic progress which basically said we should destroy that country. its just come out recently that the uk government ordered the assasination of catholics to stoke up tension.

    thats exactly what the powers want - a right wing society. get rid of those 'idiot' hippy communists. keep the money coming in - for their famililes and future kids, of course. The irony is hilarious as the arab springs were to get rid of this type of system.
    but we all know the dollar is basically backed up by middle eastern oil which is protected by the us army. hence the assasination of gaddafi and saddam who wanted to trade their oil in euros.

    If i was muslim i would be pretty pissed off at the wests interference in middle eastern countries only to come here cos my gaff in the desert was bombed by a drone, possibly with half my family in it. Upon arrival im verbally abused by these spoilt greedy monkeys who wouldnt know a warzone if it hit them in the head.

    A section of jewish religion states; screw ur fellow man over for everything u can get off him. terrorism and climate change....infinite problems because of capitalism, greed. thats all the media is talking about but nothing about the huge debt all governements are in with the jewish banks. and to think the big western propaganda machine that is hollywood has so many right wing jews behind it.

    in other words ur all being screwed over and if ur thinking of ur childrens future, just think of the schools being bombed in yemen by us bombs supplied to saudi arabia, a left wing muslim counntry along with al-queda, taliban aand isis.

    right wing westerners in cahoots with left wing muslims for their personal gain while the much more peaceful left wing westerners and right wing shia muslims are the victims.


    Needs more aliens, and maybe a little illuminati too.


  • #56
    asherbassad
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    kettlehead wrote: »
    The yanks do it right. It does not matter what accent you speak with nor your ethnicity. Pay your taxes, obey the law, believe in the pursuit of happiness and you're one of us.

    I lived over there, legally. One of my first weeks there and I was out for the few pints. Got chatting and was congratulated on "becoming an American." Can you imagine a recent immigrant being congratulated on becoming Irish/British/French etc.

    Different way of thinking.

    Oh bollocks. That's a condescending way of them saying "See, we're number 1 because you wanted to rescind all your other allegiances and become one of us. Told ya so! Aren't you so much safer here now than being killed by the IRA back in EIRE?"

    I got the same shallow patronising crap when I lived there.


  • #57
    JupiterKid
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    Ridiculous OTT reaction from UK muslims. They want to have their cake and eat it too. The UK is an extremely tolerant society but when people call for sharia law and support terrorism then that will not be tolerated. There has been too much leftie pandering to Islam already.

    Muilticulturalism has failed. Integration is the way forward.


  • #58
    asherbassad
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    kettlehead wrote: »
    You whacked in a jab about the yanks but Muslims in the US are as American as apple pie. They assimilate.

    How exactly do they "assimilate" in the US where they don't "assimilate" anywhere else? What do they do differently when they find themselves on the magical shores of America the beautiful?


  • #59
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Ridiculous OTT reaction from UK muslims. They want to have their cake and eat it too. The UK is an extremely tolerant society but when people call for sharia law and support terrorism then that will not be tolerated. There has been too much leftie pandering to Islam already.

    Muilticulturalism has failed. Integration is the way forward.

    No generalisations there at all - a great relief.


  • #60
    asherbassad
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Utter bollox, if majority Muslim counties showed half the tolerance, progressivness and inclusion that Britain does the world would be a far better place.

    And if you took the time to learn about Muslim cultures and histories instead of just parrotting the juvenile line that they "beat women and gays" then you wouldn't make such stupid statements.


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  • #61
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    asherbassad wrote: »
    How exactly do they "assimilate" in the US where they don't "assimilate" anywhere else? What do they do differently when they find themselves on the magical shores of America the beautiful?

    ...people used say the same about the Jews. And the Irish, if I recall.


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