Some UK Muslims think “concentration camps” are close

MakeEmLaugh

A news report was broadcast on Channel 4 this week, in which reporter Assed Baig interviewed several Muslims around Birmingham, discussing tension in light of the recent Paris attacks and the British parliament's decision to extend airstrikes on ISIS into Syria.

Baig's interviews took him to a Shisha bar, where he spoke to a group of male Muslims in their twenties and thirties. They expressed feelings of prejudice against them by the public, and made the following comparison.

“David Cameron recently said whoever doesn't vote for the war in Syria is a ISIS sympathiser. So how can we express our feelings without being labelled terrorists? I personally think myself, it's the way that the Jewish community felt when Hitler was actually terrorising them. That's what the British are doing to Muslims within Britain.”

Baig responded

“Come on, guys. They're not putting you in concentration camps.”

The first interviewer replied, “Not yet. Not yet”, while another said, “It's getting close to that.”

Given the Jewish population of Europe fell from 9.5 million people in 1939 to 3.8 million people in 1945, most of whom were killed by the German state, are the comparisons with Hitler's terrorisation of the Jewish community an overreaction? Or do you think they are appropriate?

Azalea

I sure as hell would not like to be a Muslim in Britain/the US/France at the moment.

strelok

some Uk muslims are idiots

Isaiah

Absurd rethortic. This would never and could never happen in 2016 Britain an EXTREMELY tolerant country and society.

The UK welcomes and accomodates people from all over the planet and bends over backwards to intigrate them and supply them with facilities to express their cutlure, yet some people still complain....

Absolute left wing populist codswallop.

kettlehead

Azalea wrote: »

I sure as hell would not like to be a Muslim in Britain/the US/France at the moment.

I sure as hell wouldn't like to be non Muslim in a predominantly Muslim area. They talk about minority rights until they become the majority.

kneemos

They herded the Irish into Kilburn back in the day.True.

EoghanIRL

I understand that this must be a difficult time for the Muslim population but they shouldn't paint us with the one brush , just as we haven't done to them!
I like to think most people know that ISIS only represents a small extremist part of the religion and is not indicative of the majority of the members of the Muslim faith.
The fact is that there is a terrorist threat, mainly ISIS, and the majority seem to be Muslim. It might seem unfair but protective measures are to protect their safety too and it might lead to the odd mistake but concentration camps , I don't think so!

tonycascarino

Complete ott reaction by the Muslim community. Then again this is the community who get offended & angry over almost everything

Buona Fortuna

A reporter called Assed.

If you were his Mum and Dad wouldn't ya just love to name him "Couldn't Be"

biko

Attacks against Jews and Muslim women are on the increase. Perps can be non-Muslim and Muslim men.

But if we talk about non-verbal violent attacks Muslim men are still in the forefront. Lee Rigby anyone?

nullzero

Da Muss-lims innit?
Perpetually offended aren't they?
I'm sure there are morons in Britain giving them grief but to seriously suggest that concentration camps for Muslims are on the way is fear mongering nonsense by a group of people who love to play the victim in Britain.

tonycascarino

tonycascarino wrote: »

Complete ott reaction by the Muslim community. Then again this is the community who get offended & angry over almost everything

I don't think this is some statement on behalf of the Muslim community. It's an individual expressing his fears. I don't think they are well founded.

iDave

Someone should introduce them to Godwin.

kettlehead

Is there anywhere where Muslims are happy?

strelok

kettlehead wrote: »

Is there anywhere where Muslims are happy?

america, funnily enough

integration works quite a bit better than multiculturalism

kneemos

We're all goosed anyway when these star wars start.

strelok

kneemos wrote: »

We're all goosed anyway when these star wars start.

surely we can just star trek to safety

asherbassad

Isaiah wrote: »

Absurd rethortic. This would never and could never happen in 2016 Britain an EXTREMELY tolerant country and society.

The UK welcomes and accomodates people from all over the planet and bends over backwards to intigrate them and supply them with facilities to express their cutlure, yet some people still complain....

Absolute left wing populist codswallop.

The British invented the concentration camp, don't forget.

They also put it into effect in Northern Ireland during the 1970's rounding up Catholics and banging them up without trial in internment camps. They also turned a complete blind eye to the Guantanamo Bay concentration camp.

So don't be so quick to dismiss the notion just because we have flat screen TV's today whereas we only had black and white tellies back in 72.

And what has left wing got to do with anything? Are you saying that accommodating immigrants is "left-wing populist codswallop" or complaining about discrimination is the aforementioned "codswallop"?

biko

asherbassad wrote: »

The British invented the concentration camp, don't forget.

This is true. They have a long history of internment.

I'm sure it's not easy being a bearded, robe wearing Muslim in Luton, Birmingham or London right now if you venture out of the Sharia zones.
People may just give you an angry stare.

FTA69

At the end of the day it's one random guy being interviewed briefly in a cafe, he doesn't speak for the entirity of British Muslims does he? Seizing one individuals hyperbole and using it to cast glib assertions over two million odd people is stupid to say the least.

That having been said, while the lad in the video was talking rubbish, Muslims in the UK are facing a huge upswing in hostility toward them including a big increase in physical violence. When you consider some of the nonsense certain media sectors have come out with I can see how many of them would be worried.

kettlehead

strelok wrote: »

america, funnily enough

integration works quite a bit better than multiculturalism

The yanks do it right. It does not matter what accent you speak with nor your ethnicity. Pay your taxes, obey the law, believe in the pursuit of happiness and you're one of us.

I lived over there, legally. One of my first weeks there and I was out for the few pints. Got chatting and was congratulated on "becoming an American." Can you imagine a recent immigrant being congratulated on becoming Irish/British/French etc.

Different way of thinking.

The Randy Riverbeast

There would be some hostility towards Muslims by some parts of the public, usually the type who would be starting fights at a football game but the government itself doesn't seem hostile towards them. Now if they were in America then I could understand their worry.

Maybe if a far right party gets elected in the UK, although plenty of groups would be worried then.

Log9

The problem is that the Muslim communities' identity is being stolen by ISIS and other extremist organisations. They're going to have to take that identity back as nobody else can really do it for them.

When a group claiming to represent you carries out a whole series of atrocities, it's going to damage your reputation. That's the unfortunate reality of it.

The irony of the comparisons with WWII nazism is that organisations like ISIS actually have more in common with nazi ideology than anyone else has. They are both extremist cults with notions of supremacy and ethnic cleansing. The only difference is the nazis were more organised and had a full modern state to use to their ends.

I don't consider Germans to be nazi sympathisers and I don't consider Muslims to be ISIS sympathisers but both of these horrible organisations have done immense damage to the good name and reputation of their respective cultures.

Comparing slightly uncomfortable situations Muslims are dealing with in the UK or France with nazi treatment of the Jewish community is absolutely hysterical hyperbole.

Of course there's a political and public opinion reaction to ISIS attacks but it's pretty mild mannered and moderate.

The main stream of the Muslim community needs to be much more aggressive about tackling radicalisation and distancing itself from these lunatics and rescuing its own reputation. Nobody else can do that.

Also it's got to be remembered these nutters are making areas of the moderate and mainstream Islamic world uninhabitable and unstable. That's actually impacting millions upon millions of Muslims.

It's ISIS and their ilk doing the damage not some nonsense about a conflict between British,
French, American or any other Muslims and the rest of the population.

kettlehead

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

There would be some hostility towards Muslims by some parts of the public, usually the type who would be starting fights at a football game but the government itself doesn't seem hostile towards them. Now if they were in America then I could understand their worry.

Maybe if a far right party gets elected in the UK, although plenty of groups would be worried then.

You whacked in a jab about the yanks but Muslims in the US are as American as apple pie. They assimilate.

Kev W

tonycascarino wrote: »

Complete ott reaction by the Muslim community. Then again this is the community who get offended & angry over almost everything

As much an overreaction as calling the words of one person the "reaction of the Muslim community"?

Roger_007

kneemos wrote: »

They herded the Irish into Kilburn back in the day.True.

Herded?........a bit OTT? Who did the 'herding'.

I think the Irish 'herded' themselves into Kilburn and other places, both in Britain and the US. Immigrants into any country tend to go to areas where they have contacts and fellow-countrymen/women already living there.

The Randy Riverbeast

kettlehead wrote: »

You whacked in a jab about the yanks but Muslims in the US are as American as apple pie. They assimilate.

oh I know that, a large amount of the public there don't though. its the evangelicals you need to watch out for there according to the research from pew I saw.

I'm not sure how it was a jab, their most popular presidential candidate has said a few things about Muslims that's isn't exactly positive.

asherbassad

kettlehead wrote: »

Is there anywhere where Muslims are happy?

They seem to be quite happy in countries that are not invading Muslim lands for oil or are Muslim lands that aren't being invaded for oil.

kettlehead

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

oh I know that, a large amount of the public there don't though. its the evangelicals you need to watch out for there according to the research from pew I saw.

I'm not sure how it was a jab, their most popular presidential candidate has said a few things about Muslims that's isn't exactly positive.

You're probably right and I'm wrong. I think I might be overestimating integration in the US.

osarusan

FTA69 wrote: »

Seizing one individuals hyperbole and using it to cast glib assertions over two million odd people is stupid to say the least.

Par for the course for AH though.

It's easier to build up a rage that way.

Sheeps

Azalea wrote: »

I sure as hell would not like to be a Muslim

Fixed your post

Log9

The right wing of the US Republican Party has somewhat lost the plot on this topic and gone into full manure stirring mode.

The politics some of those candidates are pursuing is really crossing into National Front territory. It's populist xenophobia playing to a very particular audience. That audience isn't most Americans though and I think that'll be reflected in the elections.

If the republicans pick an extreme candidate they aren't likely to win and will just divide Americans even further. A very high % of Americans are absolutely nothing like the red neck stereotypes.

There's a reason too why voter turnout in the US is so abysmally low - a lot of the population is so turned off by politics like this that they're not participating anymore. You've only got a choice of two parties. The republicans are increasingly abandoning the Tory-like fiscal conservative voters and only interested in guns, gay, God and abortion and right wing Christian stuff while the democrats would remind you of Fianna Fáil crossed with Mayor Quimby of Springfield.

It's not exactly a wonderful panel to chose from which is why a lot of Americans just switch off and stay at home assuming that it'll make no difference anyway. That's largely what's been happening with US politics since the 1970s.

marklazarcovic

they dont feel british,dont want to be british yet more arrive all the time to feed off Britain ,why not go 'home' and not be oppressed there,the thing is they want to stay,to occupy,and to have their laws introduced into a 'foreign' country and expect it to be ok.


racism works both ways

StringerBell

tonycascarino wrote: »

Complete ott reaction by the Muslim community. Then again this is the community who get offended & angry over almost everything

I'm sorry, were you talking about Muslims or Jews there in your second sentence?

DellyBelly

strelok wrote: »

some Uk muslims are idiots

I'd say you could change some to most...silly views and just more scaremongering

MonkeyTennis

There is a lot of 'they's in this thread. It makes uncomfortable reading.

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StringerBell

The saddest thing to come from the emergence and growth of IS is the divide between moderates on both sides, turning so many people toward more extreme views which can only lead to further disharmony and problems.

This really could have been avoided, I fear a little more for the world my kids and grandchildren will be inheriting due to poor decisions of today

FTA69

marklazarcovic wrote: »

they dont feel british,dont want to be british yet more arrive all the time to feed off Britain ,why not go 'home' and not be oppressed there,the thing is they want to stay,to occupy,and to have their laws introduced into a 'foreign' country and expect it to be ok.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/nov/23/muslims-proud-britain

But yet more British Muslims are proud to be British than their English Christian counterparts.

Your talk of "occupation" and "feeding off Britain" says it all really, nonsense comments rooted in ignorance.

kettlehead

FTA69 wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/nov/23/muslims-proud-britain

But yet more British Muslims are proud to be British than their English Christian counterparts.

Your talk of "occupation" and "feeding off Britain" says it all really, nonsense comments rooted in ignorance.

They consider themselves British because they are not English. You know this.

FTA69

kettlehead wrote: »

They consider themselves British because they are not English. You know this.

What's your point?

kettlehead

FTA69 wrote: »

What's your point?

They are not English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish. "British" is a catch all term. Of course they embrace it.

Eoin247

The people who actually think this are completely out of touch with reality. There is absolutely no comparison and quite frankly this is more than a bit insulting to the victims who were affected by the Nazi holocaust.

Knasher

If that lad honestly thought concentration camps were close, then he would probably be looking to flee the country, not relaxing in a Sisha bar.

There is a lot of hate directed at the Muslim community though, and that is a massive problem because there is nothing more effective at breading disenfranchisement, and then radicalisation.

sonny.knowles

kettlehead wrote: »

Is there anywhere where Muslims are happy?

The paradise that is 'Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant'?

LDN_Irish

kettlehead wrote: »

They are not English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish. "British" is a catch all term. Of course they embrace it.

Spent much time there? Plenty of Anglos consider themselves British above E/S/W/I. Plenty of non Anglos (including muslims) consider themselves English. I don't think the point you seem to be trying to make is accurate.

Harry Palmr

Utter nonsense and they know it, and yet such loose talk is likely to invite hostility on all Muslims - after all they have it all in Britain really - freedom to move, to speak (nonsense), social welfare, a live and let live "multicultural" society rather than the French integrationist approach and now some of think they are about to be herded (all 2.5 million of them!) into camps.

Idiots.

kettlehead

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Spent much time there? Plenty of Anglos consider themselves British above E/S/W/I. Plenty of non Anglos (including muslims) consider themselves English. I don't think the point you seem to be trying to make is accurate.

Nice username.

suicide_circus

Utter bollox, if majority Muslim counties showed half the tolerance, progressivness and inclusion that Britain does the world would be a far better place.

carlostj22

its no over-reaction, catholics were interned up north, why would it not happen in the mainland? there is a statement from Churchill jealous of germanys economic progress which basically said we should destroy that country. its just come out recently that the uk government ordered the assasination of catholics to stoke up tension.

thats exactly what the powers want - a right wing society. get rid of those 'idiot' hippy communists. keep the money coming in - for their famililes and future kids, of course. The irony is hilarious as the arab springs were to get rid of this type of system.
but we all know the dollar is basically backed up by middle eastern oil which is protected by the us army. hence the assasination of gaddafi and saddam who wanted to trade their oil in euros.

If i was muslim i would be pretty pissed off at the wests interference in middle eastern countries only to come here cos my gaff in the desert was bombed by a drone, possibly with half my family in it. Upon arrival im verbally abused by these spoilt greedy monkeys who wouldnt know a warzone if it hit them in the head.

A section of jewish religion states; screw ur fellow man over for everything u can get off him. terrorism and climate change....infinite problems because of capitalism, greed. thats all the media is talking about but nothing about the huge debt all governements are in with the jewish banks. and to think the big western propaganda machine that is hollywood has so many right wing jews behind it.

in other words ur all being screwed over and if ur thinking of ur childrens future, just think of the schools being bombed in yemen by us bombs supplied to saudi arabia, a left wing muslim counntry along with al-queda, taliban aand isis.

right wing westerners in cahoots with left wing muslims for their personal gain while the much more peaceful left wing westerners and right wing shia muslims are the victims.

Nodin

marklazarcovic wrote: »

they dont feel british,dont want to be british yet more arrive all the time to feed off Britain ,why not go 'home' and not be oppressed there,the thing is they want to stay,to occupy,and to have their laws introduced into a 'foreign' country and expect it to be ok.


racism works both ways

"sectarianism" and it seems to be going one way only in the above post.