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adrian522 · 16-10-2015 12:30pm

Flukey wrote: »

Yes, they are played in Dublin, but they are not home games. My house is in Dublin. My next door neighbour's house is also in Dublin, but it is not my home. Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground, not Croke Park. I suppose you'll be telling us next that White Hart Lane is Chelsea's home ground, because it is in London. Croke Park is no more Dublin's home ground than the Melbourne Cricket Grounds are. Parnell Park, and only Parnell Park, is Dublin's home ground, whatever people say. We can argue against a lot of things, but not against facts. In 2004 the Dublin footballers played a championship match in Parnell Park, but not since then. So the fact of the matter, whether you like it or not and no matter what you or anyone else says or thinks, is that Dublin have not had a home championship match since then and have played all of their championship matches in away grounds, like Pearse Park, or in neutral venues, like Croke Park. That pattern seems set to continue. FACT!

At least we will have a different neutral venue to play in next year. That is something to be welcomed by all of us Dublin fans, but our dream of a home match seems set to be denied us again. Maybe if we win in Nowlan Park we'll get a home match in the next round, but I doubt it. The Leinster Council will not let it happen. Technically it will be 11 votes to 1 against us, so we haven't got a chance. We'll be sent back to Croke Park instead.

They are home games, league or championship, if they are played in dublin then they are a home game for Dublin. Not that difficult to understand.

Hammer Archer · 16-10-2015 12:33pm

Flukey, I don't know who you're trying to convince that playing in Croke Park isn't a home game for Dublin. Yes, it's not Dublin's fault they play all their championship games in Croke Park, nor that for pretty much every game bar the Leinster quarter final Croker is the only suitable venue. But to actually say that Croke Park is a neutral venue for Dublin is ridiculous.

It seems that some Dublin fans see any mention of the fact that it's been pushing 10 years since Dublin played a championship game outside Croke Park as an insult. It's not. All fans, Dublin and others would like to see Dublin travel. It would provide a welcome change of scenery for Dublin fans and a much better atmosphere than a two-thirds empty Croke Park.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 16-10-2015 12:42pm

Longford again for Offaly.

3 years in a row in Leinster, and we played twice in last years league and are in the same division in this years league.

OldMrBrennan83 · 16-10-2015 1:09pm

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Flukey · 16-10-2015 1:17pm

adrian522 wrote: »

They are home games, league or championship, if they are played in dublin then they are a home game for Dublin. Not that difficult to understand.

If it is not played in their home ground, it is not a home game. Even simpler to understand.

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Flukey, I don't know who you're trying to convince that playing in Croke Park isn't a home game for Dublin. Yes, it's not Dublin's fault they play all their championship games in Croke Park, nor that for pretty much every game bar the Leinster quarter final Croker is the only suitable venue. But to actually say that Croke Park is a neutral venue for Dublin is ridiculous.

It seems that some Dublin fans see any mention of the fact that it's been pushing 10 years since Dublin played a championship game outside Croke Park as an insult. It's not. All fans, Dublin and others would like to see Dublin travel. It would provide a welcome change of scenery for Dublin fans and a much better atmosphere than a two-thirds empty Croke Park.

Us Dublin fans would love to see us travel too. No Dublin fans see complaints about playing in Croke Park as an insult. People can give out about us playing in Croke Park, that is fine with me. It is when they add that it is Dublin's home ground, that it gets silly. When they say it is an advantage to us when all the facts indisputably prove otherwise, that is also silly. They also seem to think that Dublin fans don't want to play elsewhere, which is also silly. This issue comes up time and time again, and all the Dubs responses say we'd love to travel. Look at the crowds we get at our away league games and at championship matches outside of Dublin that we have been allowed to have. It is great that we might get to Nowlan Park next year, though getting tickets will be tough. I know it is not our fault that we play our games in Croke Park. The irony is that so many fans of Leinster counties come on here giving out about it, when it is their own counties that ensure we do play in Croke Park. Worse still we had the ridiculous and ironic situation of Longford people, and others from Leinster, giving out that the game against us this year was not played in Pearse Park, only for Longford to later give up a home advantage and play Kildare in Mullingar.

Saying Croke Park is a neutral venue for Dublin is not ridiculous. It is not Dublin's home ground and it is not any other county's home ground. Therefore it is a neutral venue.

adrian522 · 16-10-2015 2:39pm

But what makes a ground their home ground? Parnell Park is no more their home ground that Croke Park.

When Munster play in Thomand Park it is a home game. When Munster play in Musgrave Park it is a home game.

When Leinster play in the RDS it is a home game, when Leinster play in Donnybrook it is a home game. When Leinster play in the Aviva stadium it is a home game.

When Ireland play in the Aviva stadium it is a home game, when Ireland play in Thomand park or Ravenhill it is a home game. When they played in Croke Park its a home game.

When they play anywhere in Ireland it is a home game.

Not sure what makes Dublin so different.

Flukey · 16-10-2015 5:45pm

adrian522 wrote: »

But what makes a ground their home ground? Parnell Park is no more their home ground that Croke Park.

When Munster play in Thomand Park it is a home game. When Munster play in Musgrave Park it is a home game.

When Leinster play in the RDS it is a home game, when Leinster play in Donnybrook it is a home game. When Leinster play in the Aviva stadium it is a home game.

When Ireland play in the Aviva stadium it is a home game, when Ireland play in Thomand park or Ravenhill it is a home game. When they played in Croke Park its a home game.

When they play anywhere in Ireland it is a home game.

Not sure what makes Dublin so different.

Ok, on that basis, any match that Dublin play in Ireland is a home game. We can extend that to Europe and to planet Earth too if you like. On that basis too we can say that all counties in Ireland should be happy to play in Croke Park as it is a home game for them. Ok, that is being a bit silly. A bit like saying a ground that is not Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground. Anyway, this thread is meant to be about the championship draw, so let's get it back on topic. So, Dublin should win in Nowlan Park. What do you think?

Boom__Boom · 16-10-2015 6:16pm

Flukey wrote: »

Ok, on that basis, any match that Dublin play in Ireland is a home game. We can extend that to Europe and to planet Earth too if you like. On that basis too we can say that all counties in Ireland should be happy to play in Croke Park as it is a home game for them. Ok, that is being a bit silly. A bit like saying a ground that is not Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground. Anyway, this thread is meant to be about the championship draw, so let's get it back on topic. So, Dublin should win in Nowlan Park. What do you think?

I can't believe that there is talk of taking Dublin out of Dublin especially since they haven't had a "home" game in years.

Anyone know when Dublin footballers last played in Parnell park in the league?

It's a disgrace how the GAA authorities have treated them, not letting them play a home game (even in the league) in years is massively unfair on the Dublin footballers.

[As for home advantage not mattering much - Kerry footballers have only lost 9 championship games that were played in Kerry since 1928 (before that records are hazy)]

Yodeling Snake · 16-10-2015 9:52pm

Flukey wrote: »

If it is not played in their home ground, it is not a home game. Even simpler to understand.

Us Dublin fans would love to see us travel too. No Dublin fans see complaints about playing in Croke Park as an insult. People can give out about us playing in Croke Park, that is fine with me. It is when they add that it is Dublin's home ground, that it gets silly. When they say it is an advantage to us when all the facts indisputably prove otherwise, that is also silly. They also seem to think that Dublin fans don't want to play elsewhere, which is also silly. This issue comes up time and time again, and all the Dubs responses say we'd love to travel. Look at the crowds we get at our away league games and at championship matches outside of Dublin that we have been allowed to have. It is great that we might get to Nowlan Park next year, though getting tickets will be tough. I know it is not our fault that we play our games in Croke Park. The irony is that so many fans of Leinster counties come on here giving out about it, when it is their own counties that ensure we do play in Croke Park. Worse still we had the ridiculous and ironic situation of Longford people, and others from Leinster, giving out that the game against us this year was not played in Pearse Park, only for Longford to later give up a home advantage and play Kildare in Mullingar.

Saying Croke Park is a neutral venue for Dublin is not ridiculous. It is not Dublin's home ground and it is not any other county's home ground. Therefore it is a neutral venue.

Pure and utter space cadette living in denial delusional nonsense.

blackcard · 16-10-2015 9:59pm

Flukey wrote: »

If it is not played in their home ground, it is not a home game. Even simpler to understand.

Us Dublin fans would love to see us travel too. No Dublin fans see complaints about playing in Croke Park as an insult. People can give out about us playing in Croke Park, that is fine with me. It is when they add that it is Dublin's home ground, that it gets silly. When they say it is an advantage to us when all the facts indisputably prove otherwise, that is also silly. They also seem to think that Dublin fans don't want to play elsewhere, which is also silly. This issue comes up time and time again, and all the Dubs responses say we'd love to travel. Look at the crowds we get at our away league games and at championship matches outside of Dublin that we have been allowed to have. It is great that we might get to Nowlan Park next year, though getting tickets will be tough. I know it is not our fault that we play our games in Croke Park. The irony is that so many fans of Leinster counties come on here giving out about it, when it is their own counties that ensure we do play in Croke Park. Worse still we had the ridiculous and ironic situation of Longford people, and others from Leinster, giving out that the game against us this year was not played in Pearse Park, only for Longford to later give up a home advantage and play Kildare in Mullingar.

Saying Croke Park is a neutral venue for Dublin is not ridiculous. It is not Dublin's home ground and it is not any other county's home ground. Therefore it is a neutral venue.

Childish

Flukey · 17-10-2015 12:19am

Yodeling Snake wrote: »

Pure and utter space cadette living in denial delusional nonsense.

No nonsense, all fact. Now, can we get back to discussing the championship instead of turning this into yet another anti-Dublin thread? I originally posted a post covering the championship, and yet just one element of it was picked up on and it turned the thread. So come on people, forget the anti-Dublin stuff and tell us what do you think of the draws as made on Thursday night? Who'll win the Connacht Football Championship? Who could be the surprise packet in the Munster Hurling Championship? What upsets can you see from the definitive matches that have been drawn? Are Donegal finished? How will the new Cork hurlers management do? Who will be the guests along with the usual suspects in the football quarter finals? Can anyone stop Kilkenny? Will Derry again flatter to deceive? Come on people, what do you think?

Yodeling Snake · 17-10-2015 12:24am

Flukey wrote: »

No nonsense, all fact. Now, can we get back to discussing the championship instead of turning this into yet another anti-Dublin thread? I originally posted a post covering the championship, and yet just one element of it was picked up on and it turned the thread. So come on people, forget the anti-Dublin stuff and tell us what do you think of the draws as made on Thursday night? Who'll win the Connacht Football Championship? Who could be the surprise packet in the Munster Hurling Championship? What upsets can you see from the definitive matches that have been drawn? Are Donegal finished? How will the new Cork hurlers management do? Who will be the guests along with the usual suspects in the football quarter finals? Can anyone stop Kilkenny? Will Derry again flatter to deceive? Come on people, what do you think?

Please don't be offended mate. The draws are fine.

Flukey · 17-10-2015 1:49am

Yodeling Snake wrote: »

Please don't be offended mate. The draws are fine.

I am not offended. I just want to know what people think of the draws. That is what the whole thread was meant to be about. Some people wanted to bring the thread elsewhere, not me. Anyway, some interesting fixtures to look forward to, as always. Plenty to digest in the meantime too, with club and league stuff. We've a trip to Nowlan Park on the 20th of March, so next summer won't be our first visit of the year. A lot to look forward to. It's great being a GAA fan.

adrian522 · 23-10-2015 12:29pm

Flukey wrote: »

Ok, on that basis, any match that Dublin play in Ireland is a home game. We can extend that to Europe and to planet Earth too if you like. On that basis too we can say that all counties in Ireland should be happy to play in Croke Park as it is a home game for them. Ok, that is being a bit silly. A bit like saying a ground that is not Parnell Park is Dublin's home ground. Anyway, this thread is meant to be about the championship draw, so let's get it back on topic. So, Dublin should win in Nowlan Park. What do you think?

Not any match in Ireland, any match in Dublin.

When Dublin play in Dublin they are at home. When Dublin play outside of Dublin it is not a home game.

When Ireland play in Ireland, anywhere in Ireland it is a home game. When they play outside of Ireland it is an away game.

Fr Tod Umptious · 02-12-2015 12:21pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

A and B in football look to be something like this

A
Sligo, Letrim, Roscommon,Derry, Tyrone, Cavan, Armagh, Laois, Wicklow, Louth, Carlow, Dublin, Meath, Kerry, Clare*, Limerick*.

B
Galway, Mayo, London, Fermanagh, Antrim, Monaghan, Down, Donegal, Longford, Offaly, Westmeath, Wexford, Kildare, Tipp*, Waterford*

Once again the B side looks tougher.

In the A side its unlikely to see Tyrone, Kerry or Dublin lose before their provincial finals where as with the B two of Galway,Mayo, Monaghan or Donegal will have to pay 3 rounds of qualifiers, add to that the decent enough teams like Fermanagh and Tipp*, or maybe even Cork.

The interesting thing is where will the provincial losers go, A or B and who the provincial champs play, A or B

*- Not sure about Munster QFs, they star one side on the draw (top/bottom) but swap then for the SF

2016 GAA Championship fixtures revealed
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1015/735132-gaa-championship-draw-2016/

According to the master fixture list (can't attach, on phone) its
Munster and Connacht loser v A, Ulster and Leinster loser v B

Then
Bank Holiday weekend
Munster v A side qualifier
Connacht v A side qualifier

The following Saturday
Ulster v B side qualifier
Leinster v B side qualifier

Again the A looks easier tan the B if you assume Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone will not lose before their provincial final.

Interesting matchup could be Crok v Mayo in a QF or Dublin v Donegal/Tyrone/Monaghan in a QF.

OldMrBrennan83 · 02-12-2015 2:07pm

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