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wes · 19-11-2015 01:48AM

Isaiah wrote: »

OK some of use have jobs. Remember fellas the post off closes at 5:50PM so do try get some sleep or you will miss your dole collections.

Bit rich from a guy supporting a group of genocidal cannibals.........

Yosef.coen · 19-11-2015 01:48AM

Are we arguing that all religions are the same and are as much of a problem as each other? It wasn't a bunch of Amish or Zoroastrians or Skih's that went on a barbaric rampage though Paris. Islam has a dangerous relationship with extremism. It's self evident. Pointing to the Spanish inquistition of 300 years ago or some American abortion doctor that was killed in 1983 as if to compare both Christianity and Islam as comparable is like comparing Maccabi Haifa FC to the standard of Real Madrid. Sure they both play football but it's clear who the winner is in today's world when it comes to violent outbursts of barbarism.

Of course it's easy to take the high moral ground in the safety of a country that is protected by the UK, USA and NATO. Talk and Internet chatter is cheap. People should not underestimate what the goals of ISIS or Hamas are. They are for the murder of everyone who does not conform to their religious doctrine.

bodice ripper · 19-11-2015 01:48AM

Isaiah wrote: »

So where is the commandment to Kill?

Matthew 15: 4-7

Frank Grimes · 19-11-2015 01:52AM

Yosef.coen wrote: »

Are we arguing that all religions are the same and are as much of a problem as each other? It wasn't a bunch of Amish or Zoroastrians or Skih's that went on a barbaric rampage though Paris. Islam has a dangerous relationship with extremism. It's self evident. Pointing to the Spanish inquistition of 300 years ago or some American abortion doctor that was killed in 1983 as if to compare both Christianity and Islam as comparable is like comparing Maccabi Haifa FC to the standard of Real Madrid.

Yeah, it's not like there are any contemporary examples of violent religious extremism that don't involve Muslims, thanks for pointing that out.

Junkyard Tom · 19-11-2015 01:54AM

Isaiah wrote: »

OK some of use have jobs. Remember fellas the post off closes at 5:50PM so do try get some sleep or you will miss your dole collections.

I can't wait to collect my two hundred euro and spend it on alcohol, cigarettes, and terrorism, tomorrow.

wes · 19-11-2015 01:58AM

Yosef.coen wrote: »

It's self evident. Pointing to the Spanish inquistition of 300 years ago or some American abortion doctor that was killed in 1983 as if to compare both Christianity and Islam as comparable is like comparing Maccabi Haifa FC to the standard of Real Madrid. Sure they both play football but it's clear who the winner is in today's world when it comes to violent outbursts of barbarism.

Well, seeing as another poster brought up event that happened 1400 years ago in reference to Muslim violence, and then defended the crusades while they were at it, it would tend to take the conversation in a direction of talking about historical violence.

Yosef.coen wrote: »

Of course it's easy to take the high moral ground in the safety of a country that is protected by the UK, USA and NATO. Talk and Internet chatter is cheap. People should not underestimate what the goals of ISIS or Hamas are. They are for the murder of everyone who does not conform to their religious doctrine.

Interesting that you conflate Hamas and Isis, seeing as Isis hate Hamas.

You seem intent on dragging the thread off topic, by bringing up Hamas, which will naturally bring up the IDF murdering Palestinians and so on.

Yosef.coen · 19-11-2015 02:04AM

Frank Grimes wrote: »

Yeah, it's not like there are any contemporary examples of violent religious extremism that don't involve Muslims, thanks for point that out.

I see you completely ignored my point about both Real Madrid and Maccabi Hafi are capable of playing football, however it is self evident to what football team is more successful. It is called a parable. If you lack the intellectual capacity to engage fully then at least try and be honest with other users who make an effort to explain.

Frank Grimes · 19-11-2015 02:09AM

Yosef.coen wrote: »

I see you completely ignored my point about both Real Madrid and Maccabi Hafi are capable of playing football, however it is self evident to what football team is more successful. It is called a parable. If you lack the intellectual capacity to engage fully then at least try and be honest with other users who make an effort to explain.

Yeah because I couldn't care less about football and/or sports related analogies. You could always take your own advice and engage with what I posted. Or not as the case appears to be,

Yosef.coen · 19-11-2015 02:12AM

wes wrote: »

Well, seeing as another poster brought up event that happened 1400 years ago in reference to Muslim violence, and then defended the crusades while they were at it, it would tend to take the conversation in a direction of talking about historical violence.

Interesting that you conflate Hamas and Isis, seeing as Isis hate Hamas.

You seem intent on dragging the thread off topic, by bringing up Hamas, which will naturally bring up the IDF murdering Palestinians and so on.

Al Queda don't like ISIS either yet they are the same side of the barbaric coin. The reference to Hamas is that Israel has extremist jihadis right on their door step and are open about their will to kill all Jews. I hope now that Europe wakes up to the fact what Israel has to face on a daily basis. There was a tendency to finger wag and tut, now though the real threat of Islamic extremism has unmasked itself.

TheLastMohican · 19-11-2015 02:12AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

There are plenty of website that allow hate speech if that's your thing.

Am not talking hate. Talking reality ........... if you can understand that.

MPFGLB · 19-11-2015 02:14AM

I think in this debate we need to distinguish between the doctrine of a religion (or religions) AND people who are of that faith

No right minded person would ascribe to the theory that all people of any religion either Muslims or Christians are all bad or indeed all good. In fact no one man even is all good or all bad

But it is possible for one religion for instance by its CURRENT doctorine sanction more violence or intolerance .(and this is in the way it is preached and practices) ...so I do think posters should be able to debate the message of a religion and ascribe some level of judgement to it without being described as a hater ,etc

There have been alot of posts on here that are anti American for instance but it seems alright to 'hate' these American but not to 'hate' a doctrine (not the people who practice it). Not that I saw hatred from any posters but some others are very a quick to ascribe it

I don;t really know enough about Islam but from what I know about all religions I agree with Marx and say they are indeed the opium of the masses and give some a degree of certainty in an otherwise uncertain world

I am not interested in learning about Islam because I am more interested in other things like science, psychology, spirituality ,etc but also as an atheist I feel religions ,all are outdated

Its also funny on here that if I say all religions are rubbish (which I believe) that is ok.If I say one is then that is not ?

So can people please direct to the specifics of the doctrine and not the people who practice certain parts

If Islam for instance says it is the holy right of Muslims to fight jihad ? Can we aswer that ..
There was a debate on this recently on Sunday morning TV with lots of imans and preachers of all degrees of stricture ....impossible for the presenter to get anyone to agree or even explain what was meant by it

But my main point we should allow continued debate even from (and especially) those who are anti Islam...otherwise we cannot move forward...just calling people haters and shutting things down ensures hate does indeed flourish

Yosef.coen · 19-11-2015 02:15AM

Frank Grimes wrote: »

Yeah because I couldn't care less about football and/or sports related analogies. You could always take your own advice and engage with what I posted. Or not as the case appears to be,

Look at the body count in the past 12 months. How many can be related back to say the Skih's and how many back to Islam? You want to turn the argument into an qualative one, so give me numbers?

wes · 19-11-2015 02:18AM

Yosef.coen wrote: »

Al Queda don't like ISIS either yet they are the same side of the barbaric coin.

You comparison is nonsense. ISIS was originally Al Qaeda in Iraq, and ISIS split off as they felt Al Qaeda were not extreme enough.

Hamas is a Palestinians group that mixes nationalism and religion.

Yosef.coen wrote: »

The reference to Hamas is that Israel has extremist jihadis right on their door step and are open about their will to kill all Jews. I hope now that Europe wakes up to the fact what Israel has to face on a daily basis. There was a tendency to finger wag and tut, now though the real threat of Islamic extremism has unmasked itself

The IDF murders Palestinians civilians on a regular basis, and has settlers stealing there land, while being protected by the IDF. You blatant agenda to defend extremist religiously motivated settlement expansions and murder of civilians, by using another groups extremist religiously motivated mass murder is utterly repellent.

It has been pretty obvious you have desire to drag the thread off topic and make it about Hamas and Israel.

Frank Grimes · 19-11-2015 02:19AM

Yosef.coen wrote: »

Look at the body count in the past 12 months. How many can be related back to say the Skih's and how many back to Islam? You want to turn the argument into an qualative one, so give me numbers?

Looking back over the last 12 months wouldn't really address what you were saying before, it's almost like you're trying to shift goalposts.

TheLastMohican · 19-11-2015 02:22AM

There needs to be a unifying presence in Islam to restore law and order. If one guy held the reins (like the Pope or that Guy in Constantinople), then his interpretation of the Koran should be it. But that would take a few centuries and he'd be dead after a few decades.

Soooo, all the nations get together and ..................... !

My name is URL · 19-11-2015 02:28AM

Yosef.coen wrote: »

Islam has a dangerous relationship with extremism.

Some people would consider the notion, foundation and expansion of a 'promised land' for the 'chosen people' to be an extremist in terms of religious zealotry too... especially when it requires the displacement or death of others who object to it

In fact it sounds a lot like what is required for the setting up of a caliphate.

Yosef.coen · 19-11-2015 02:33AM

Frank Grimes wrote: »

Looking back over the last 12 months wouldn't really address what you were saying before, it's almost like you're trying to shift goalposts.

You mentioned a contemporary, the past 12 months is as contemporary as it gets. So go, give us numbers. Your argument is that extremists in the Amish community are as dangerous as extremists in Islam. Prove it!

MPFGLB · 19-11-2015 02:33AM

TheLastMohican wrote: »

There needs to be a unifying presence in Islam to restore law and order. If one guy held the reins (like the Pope or that Guy in Constantinople), then his interpretation of the Koran should be it. But that would take a few centuries and he'd be dead after a few decades.

Soooo, all the nations get together and ..................... !

That would be very difficult because of the 2 conflicting and warring sects of Sunnis & Shia (and there are other sects)

Ruhollah Khomeini of Iran (shia leader) did seem like a world leader for a long time but he did advocate violence and I remember as a child I thought him the scariest man ever. He started all that suicide stuff off (again) in the Iran/Iraq war by directing young Iranians to walk on landmines. Plus he hated America

I have never heard of a Sunni leader of equal stature

Yosef.coen · 19-11-2015 02:59AM

wes wrote: »

You comparison is nonsense. ISIS was originally Al Qaeda in Iraq, and ISIS split off as they felt Al Qaeda were not extreme enough.

Hamas is a Palestinians group that mixes nationalism and religion.

The IDF murders Palestinians civilians on a regular basis, and has settlers stealing there land, while being protected by the IDF. You blatant agenda to defend extremist religiously motivated settlement expansions and murder of civilians, by using another groups extremist religiously motivated mass murder is utterly repellent.

It has been pretty obvious you have desire to drag the thread off topic and make it about Hamas and Israel.

If the Palestinians loved their children as much as they hate the Israelis there would be peace between us.

Yosef.coen · 19-11-2015 03:02AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Some people would consider the notion, foundation and expansion of a 'promised land' for the 'chosen people' to be an extremist in terms of religious zealotry too... especially when it requires the displacement or death of others who object to it

In fact it sounds a lot like what is required for the setting up of a caliphate.

Sorry but you are talking through your ass. Ireland does not recognise ISIS as an offical state, it does recognise Israel as does the rest of the world. To compare the two? God how insensitive, bordering on hate speech.

wes · 19-11-2015 03:08AM

Yosef.coen wrote: »

If the Palestinians loved their children as much as they hate the Israelis there would be peace between us.

That is some appalling disgusting racism right there, and its nothing that hasn't been said before from defenders of Israeli extremism.

Its also complete refusal to address the simple points I have made.

Now as for your claims in regards to peace, well that is sadly untrue. The only time peace was on the table was when Yitzak Rabin was Israeli Prime Minister, and he was assassinated for his efforts.

We also have the fact that settlements have expanded under every single Israeli government since 1967.

Still none of this is relevant in a thread about ISIS's attack on Paris, and I see no point in allowing you to derail the thread anymore, so that you can further drag things off topic.

My name is URL · 19-11-2015 03:36AM

Yosef.coen wrote: »

Sorry but you are talking through your ass. Ireland does not recognise ISIS as an offical state, it does recognise Israel as does the rest of the world. To compare the two? God how insensitive, bordering on hate speech.

Go report me to whatever overlord you jidf shills usually report stuff to!

Hate speech... Get real ya clown

Yosef.coen · 19-11-2015 03:41AM

wes wrote: »

That is some appalling disgusting racism right there, and its nothing that hasn't been said before from defenders of Israeli extremism.

Its also complete refusal to address the simple points I have made.

Now as for your claims in regards to peace, well that is sadly untrue. The only time peace was on the table was when Yitzak Rabin was Israeli Prime Minister, and he was assassinated for his efforts.

We also have the fact that settlements have expanded under every single Israeli government since 1967.

Still none of this is relevant in a thread about ISIS's attack on Paris, and I see no point in allowing you to derail the thread anymore, so that you can further drag things off topic.

Short memories there. You are forgetting Oslo for example. Of course the truth of the matter is that the Palestians are not largely interested in peace. Time and again they have been offered terms. When the people of gaza elect Hamas it is a clear indication they want no peace.

Yosef.coen · 19-11-2015 03:43AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Go report me to whatever overlord you jidf shills usually report stuff to!

Hate speech... Get real ya clown

It's easy to live in a world where opposing views must be a paid shill. Defame the opinion as per course.

Junkyard Tom · 19-11-2015 03:44AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Get real ya clown

That's very unfair to clowns.

bodice ripper · 19-11-2015 03:46AM

It's amazing what passes for "hate speech" on the Internet...

My name is URL · 19-11-2015 03:52AM

Yosef.coen wrote: »

It's easy to live in a world where opposing views must be a paid shill. Defame the opinion as per course.

Cry 'defamation' a lot do you?

Yosef.coen · 19-11-2015 04:38AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Cry 'defamation' a lot do you?

You mentioned I was a paid shill for the IDF with zero evidence or proof to back it up. That is racial profiling at its worst.

Herb Powell · 19-11-2015 04:39AM

Yosef, you're fooling no one with your ****ty memes that we've all seen a hundred times.

It's so textbook, it's laughable. Everyone knows people get paid to do this. Give it up.

Yosef.coen · 19-11-2015 05:06AM

Herb Powell wrote: »

Yosef, you're fooling no one with your ****ty memes that we've all seen a hundred times.

It's so textbook, it's laughable. Everyone knows people get paid to do this. Give it up.

Everyone knows... Yet no proof offered that I am a shill.
If I said everyone knows that all Muslims are terrorists would you be so forgiving of the facts?

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