Garda hits man with baton NAMA

_davidsmith_ · 17-11-2015 12:33PM

Why has there been nothing about this in the media since the incident?

Apart from these lovely people on here chasing each other around in circles over logical and lexical semantics, theres nothing to be found from googling.

johann johannson · 17-11-2015 12:36PM

_davidsmith_ wrote: »

Why has there been nothing about this in the media since the incident?

Apart from these lovely people on here chasing each other around in circles over logical and lexical semantics, theres nothing to be found from googling.

Rte, tv3 and utv all reported on it.

The Irish times, independent, mirror, star, sun, Sunday world etc have all reported on it.

Are you suggesting that because there is not constant media coverage, it should be forgetten about?

_davidsmith_ · 17-11-2015 12:44PM

My god, im one of the ones who started this thread saying it looks like the guard is in the wrong!

How could you possibily read into my post and get that from it?!

Stop looking for arguments, you have enough going here already. I was asking a genuine question because i googled it and couldnt find anything from the last 2 days.

Read the post dont just quickly misinterperate the words.

Busted Flat. · 17-11-2015 12:48PM

kbannon wrote: »

Who asked him to defend the people of Wexford?
What did they need defending from?

In terms of the still photos, what was your father doing crouching behind the garda?

Someone bought a house and couoldn't afford the repayments. Should they be allowed to keep the house?
On the one hand, people moan because they feel NAMA is going to cost the taxpayer money and on the other they want NAMA to let people stay in houses for nothing
So should everyone not pay their mortgage then and get a free home? Or just some people?

Give the householders the 80%discount the vultures are getting or let the state buy them for the 20% and rent them out. Then if that happened there would be no brown envelopes for the golden circle.

johann johannson · 17-11-2015 12:49PM

_davidsmith_ wrote: »

My god, im one of the ones who started this thread saying it looks like the guard is in the wrong!

How could you possibily read into my post and get that from it?!

Stop looking for arguments, you have enough going here already. I was asking a genuine question because i googled it and couldnt find anything from the last 2 days.

Read the post dont just quickly misinterperate the words.

I wasn't looking for an argument, I was responding to your question.

_davidsmith_ · 17-11-2015 12:51PM

johann johannson wrote: »

I wasn't looking for an argument, I was responding to your question.

And questioning my "suggestion" that it should be forgotten about????

Danger Fourpence · 17-11-2015 12:52PM

_davidsmith_ wrote: »

My god, im one of the ones who started this thread saying it looks like the guard is in the wrong!

How could you possibily read into my post and get that from it?!

Stop looking for arguments, you have enough going here already. I was asking a genuine question because i googled it and couldnt find anything from the last 2 days.

Read the post dont just quickly misinterperate the words.

That's what you're up against here. The first reaction is to attack and then spread the blame around.

handlemaster · 17-11-2015 12:57PM

Did the water protestors make an appearance yet ? Im sure there must have been a water meter link as well

Seth Brundle · 17-11-2015 01:00PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Give the householders the 80%discount the vultures are getting or let the state buy them for the 20% and rent them out. Then if that happened there would be no brown envelopes for the golden circle.

The 80% discount - should that go to all mortgage holders around the country or just those who borrowed way more than they could afford?

As for the 80% discount for the vultures - the protest was at an auction. Any discount rate would not have been made until the auction was closed; the more people bidding, the less the discount. However, the eirigi muppets protesting wanted to stop the auction thereby preventing money going to the taxpayer.

I do suspect that the discounted rate is there to encourage people to by them. There's not exactly a queue of people wanting to move to Wexford so property prices will never be what they once were. I also suspect that you know this but choose to ignore it.

Little CuChulainn · 17-11-2015 01:36PM

STB. wrote: »

And they were escorting prisoners through all this mayhem as well eh..... sure that sounds like a recipe for disaster

Is it that you don;t understand the terminology? When a person is arrested they are referred to a prisoner.

Busted Flat. wrote: »

It's a few days now no court report of someone being charged he was arrested and should have been charged by now, looks like a bit of a fudge to wait till the air clears.
Get a grip one man went out of control and shocked and embarrassed his Colleagues.EG Fairbrother in Finglas, and Robocop springs to mind.

From the sounds of it he was being arrested for failing to give his name following an assault. These matters require a direction from a Superintendent and are generally dealt with by summons.

JustTheOne · 17-11-2015 01:57PM

Can I sell my house and avail of an 80% discount on a new house?

Jaysus I could cut my hours to part time at this rate.

Happy days lads!

LuckyLloyd · 17-11-2015 02:15PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Why do people keep going on about this? Do you not realize that this all happened mere seconds after he had almost been pushed over and has had a woman hanging off his arm? A woman who has pulled herself up off the floor using that arm? What the hell could he be doing with all that going on? Look at the photos I posted again and you'll see that in in photo 5 the man is almost on the floor himself with the woman's weight and in photo 7 he is first seen in the crouch position (as the woman starts to pull herself up using his arm for support) BEFORE he is behind the Garda's back.

At that point, without the woman's weight on the man's arm the Garda then finally manages to push the man backwards and he remains crouched, but sure who knows why and why should it matter anyway. Could be a number of innocent reasons, why look for a nefarious one? You can clearly see in photos 13 and 14 that is hands are in full view and so what the hell are people thinking he could be at. Tbh, anyone that is still wondering what he is doing is just looking for something to excuse the batoning that he went on to receive.

It's time to stop focusing on this man and start focusing on the actions of the Garda. The man didn't approach the Garda from behind, he is not a notebook thief, or a sexual deviant or any other of the bizarre nonsense which people have leveled at him, in an clear and concerted attempt to discredit him. You may hate this crowd and what they stand for but the man deserves to be judged on his actions, not that of the people he is associated with. Being a Garda is a tough job, granted, but that does not mean that it's members are above the law and can take their frustrations out on members of the public. The man was unjustly and undeservedly beaten with a baton. There can be no excusing that. The Garda was not under threat at time. It was his pushing that caused a situation to go from being reasonably calm, thanks to the other Gardai, to one of chaos where people were falling over and needing to hang off each other. At the very least this man should receive an apology from the state.

Very strong posting from you in this thread, facing down and thoroughly dismantling the 'pro Gardaí no matter what' contingent. Well done.

17-11-2015 03:56PM

johann johannson wrote: »

Actually no, no I don't. Maryanne84, I'm sorry, you're losing all credibility here with these ludicrous claims, or can you see something that no one else on this thread has? Or are you not seeing something that everyone else has?

Do you know what, I can't be ars*d with you anymore. A discussion unfortunately needs both sides to have valid and articulate points, fully backed up. You fail to recognise what others can see.

You backed me up yourself when you said that she walked away towards the camera BEFORE the Garda drew his baton!
You don't want a discussion. You want a witch hunt!

Galway K9 · 17-11-2015 05:47PM

GarIT wrote: »

The guard was trying to break up a violent protest, the force he used was reasonable in the context. Gaurds aren't regular citizens, they don't need to be attacked to use force.

Horse ****, might have to go back to training material

In addition
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ection 10.1 of the Operational Order for the event reads
that
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‘Members will not draw their batons or use force unless explicitly
instructed to
do so by their immediate Supervisor save where the members find
themselves isolated and under serious threat to their personal safety
.

Clive Bisquette · 17-11-2015 10:57PM

Galway K9 wrote: »

Horse ****, might have to go back to training material

Being surrounded and jostled by a baying mob is not a threat to the Guards safety ?

Come off it pal ....the man had every right to draw and use his baton..

Danger Fourpence · 17-11-2015 11:02PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Can I sell my house and avail of an 80% discount on a new house?

Jaysus I could cut my hours to part time at this rate.

Happy days lads!

That'd be fantastic wouldn't it?

Forget the mortgage, show up to an auction and buy it for 20% of what I owe on it.

Could we not just save all the paperwork and knock 80% off my mortgage now?

Muahahaha · 17-11-2015 11:08PM

Do we know yet if the Garda in question was trained in the use of the baton?

corner of hells · 17-11-2015 11:18PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Do we know yet if the Garda in question was trained in the use of the baton?

I dunno ,,did anyone get a call from Templemore ?

Busted Flat. · 17-11-2015 11:23PM

Clive Bisquette wrote: »

Being surrounded and jostled by a baying mob is not a threat to the Guards safety ?

Come off it pal ....the man had every right to draw and use his baton..

Fantastic post did you see the video, they had ropes pick axe handles and slash hooks, lucky the female Garda and the young tall black haired Garda were able to keep their composure under such an onslaught. They were responsible Gardaí who followed their training and restored order. They are the people who will regain the respect of the community which is seriously needed.

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pablo128 · 18-11-2015 11:10AM

Clive Bisquette wrote: »

Being surrounded and jostled by a baying mob is not a threat to the Guards safety ?

Come off it pal ....the man had every right to draw and use his baton..

I'll ask this question for the fourth time. If the old man was such a threat, why didn't the garda also lay into the large man who shoved him back? I would have thought he posed more of a threat.

Galway K9 · 18-11-2015 12:31PM

Clive Bisquette wrote: »

Being surrounded and jostled by a baying mob is not a threat to the Guards safety ?

Come off it pal ....the man had every right to draw and use his baton..

1 ) Serious Threat = No
2) ISOLATED = errmmmm No

Kimbot · 18-11-2015 12:35PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

why is it acceptable to hit once but not twice ?

if the first one dont work ?

its hard plastic with a metal at the end not a light saber

I dont think its acceptable to hit him even once, he was no "Threat" to the guard to have a weapon used on him!

johann johannson · 18-11-2015 01:16PM

Surprise surprise, the man originally arrested has been released without charge.

For those of you still struggling to come up with a viable reason as to why the garda lashed out and somehow you're still attempting to justify his unprovoked attacks, particularly those who blamed the arrested guy, does that mean the finger of blame can be pointed back towards the sheriff now, for crying wolf like a 'premiership footballer', as the main instigator of the entire situation?

Or here's another thought - maybe the entire reason the crowd, or members of it, were attempting to talk to the garda was because there was no reason the man should have been arrested in the first place?

And when the garda didn't like what was being said, he resorted to violence?

The only constant I see in every clash in the video, is garda wx152. Is that coincidence?

And before anyone pipes in and says 'the garda should have been allowed to do his job', as you've all pointed out already, that gardai can make mistakes (That's a direct quote, not my opinion, before it's gospel), this 'mistake' definitely contributed to the situation.

Or would you rather suggest that the gardai can do whatever they want, 'because its their job', regardless if it's right or wrong?

Or will you finally accept that your arguments are without reason and illogical, and the only one that can be blamed for lashing out and seriously injuring a person, is in fact the garda himself?

Maryanne84, although I've already said I wouldn't be responding to you until you can at the very least, hold a proper discussion / argument / witch hunt which can only be based on opinions based on presented evidence by yourself and not someone else's opinion, I can assure you it's not a witch hunt i'm after, it's an explanation and an apology for what garda wx152 done to my father.
And that's my personal agenda, no ones elses, before I'm quoted on it.

johann johannson · 18-11-2015 01:31PM

johann johannson wrote: »

Or will you finally accept that your arguments are without reason and illogical, and the only one that can be blamed for lashing out and seriously injuring a person, is in fact the garda himself?

Here comes the next argument from the pro-wx152 posse - What proof do we have the man is really injured? :rolleyes:

x43r0 · 18-11-2015 01:41PM

johann johannson wrote: »

Here comes the next argument from the pro-wx152 posse - What proof do we have the man is really injured? :rolleyes:

You were having so much craic that you replied to yourself :pac:

Keep fighting that good fight buddy

johann johannson · 18-11-2015 01:43PM

x43r0 wrote: »

You were having so much craic that you replied to yourself :pac:

Keep fighting that good fight buddy

Oh you wouldn't believe ha

Cheers man :pac:

Little CuChulainn · 18-11-2015 01:43PM

johann johannson wrote: »

Surprise surprise, the man originally arrested has been released without charge.

I'm pretty sure I already said this but when an allegation of assault has been made then the investigating garda must submit an investigation file for direction before proceeding by summons.

johann johannson · 18-11-2015 01:50PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I already said this but when an allegation of assault has been made then the investigating garda must submit an investigation file for direction before proceeding by summons.

I know you did, but unfortunately others on here have difficulty with reading and watching, and are simply following what the herd appears to say. I'm only trying to break it down to smaller bits for them in order to discredit and disprove their arguments.

Pedro K · 18-11-2015 01:51PM

Had the dude just given his details when asked, and allowed the Garda to verify them and make his enquiries, he wouldn't have been arrested.

Edit:

(2) Where a member of the Garda Síochána is of the opinion that an offence has been committed under a relevant provision, the member may—

(a) demand the name and address of any person whom the member suspects, with reasonable cause, has committed, or whom the member finds committing, such an offence, and

(b) arrest without warrant any such person who fails or refuses to give his name and address when demanded, or gives a name or address which the member has reasonable grounds for believing is false or misleading.

Given an assault was alleged, the Garda had to get his details.

johann johannson · 18-11-2015 01:54PM

Pedro K wrote: »

Had the dude just given his details when asked, and allowed the Garda to verify them and make his enquiries, he wouldn't have been arrested.

Had the sheriff not cried wolf, like a 'premiership footballer' he wouldn't need to have been asked his details. This can go on and on and on.

Actually, could that be considered wasting garda resources? :rolleyes:

I fail to see the relevance as to how someone not stating their details can lead to another, unrelated innocent man getting a beating.

Garda hits man with baton NAMA

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