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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #4322
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Dude.

    You laughed.

    People were murdered and you posted LMAO and then justified it.

    That's just sick.

    Would you laugh(if you could) at Cromwell and his settlers/planters if they were attacked, and settlements burned? I would, **** your moral superiority, they are colonisers, you cant just go to another country and declare a chunk of it belongs to you, and then cry when the natives start kicking your arse. Burma for the Burmese.


  • #4323
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Sorry - I don't think you made a serious allegation that posters on this thread are supporters of a terrorist organisation so why are you jumping in here?

    Its not a thread exclusive to posters that make serious allegations that posters on this thread are supporters of a terrorist organisation. All can participate.


  • #4324
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    Are you comparing Buddhist violence with Islamic violence in 2015?

    ANYTHING to deflect away from islamic violence.


  • #4325
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Dude.

    You laughed.

    People were murdered and you posted LMAO and then justified an atrocity.

    That's just sick.

    He/she wasn't laughing at people being murdered, he/she was laughing at your desperate attempts to deflect away from islamic violence.

    And spare us the faux outrage, no-one believes it.


  • #4326
    Filmer Paradise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Filmer Paradise


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Unlikely FP, not in the current climate of post modern moral and cultural equivalence, "all cultures are transient, to be updated like our phones and who's to say ours is better" stuff prevalent in Europe, at least within the current power structures and public thought. The plain fact is that the European culture or at least its aims are worth defending and should not be transient and we need to drop the bullshít and wake up to that and pronto. Japan are not the only example of attempts and successes at keeping cultures going. Rome lasted many centuries and the idea of what is was to be "Roman" remained remarkably intact. China another example. When the Mongols took the place they became "Chinese" damn near overnight. Hell, Islam itself operated an empire for a thousand years and its inbuilt defence mechanisms were very strong(starting with the religion, that was built from the get go to ward of the very thoughts of reformation and any following enlightenment and questioning). None of those examples brooked much in the way of external or especially internal naysayers against the concept of unity and culture.

    Oh and this is most certainly not coming from some notion of European moral supremacy. Quite the opposite in fact. About the single most dangerous human to the "other" the "different" the "enemy" in all of history is pale of skin and European. Attacks like these that bring this guff home and into the European suburban everyday mind have the real danger of rousing that crap again and no matter how barbaric ISIS or anyone else is they're rank bloody amateurs by comparison. While Europeans are rightfully scared of some 21st century jihad, the Middle East should be a helluva lot more scared of a full on 21st century crusade. And with the slow background level of more "right wing" support and general feelings going on*, they should be. And so should we.




    *put it another way, imagine this thread had no moderation...

    Your posts usually enlighten me. I'll read it again when the effects of the Vino wears off.:D

    That said,I sometimes wonder what the world would be like if you were running the show.


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  • #4327
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Packrat wrote: »
    There is a serious lack of understanding of who isis are and what they want extant not only in the media in general but in 99% of discussion about them.
    This is a long read, - but the best I've seen by a mile. Enjoy.

    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/&ved=0CCIQFjACahUKEwjum_6Wu5PJAhXDgQ8KHbimC7U&usg=AFQjCNEuvYF79YFF28HAEJ_fnr-W-GHnXQ&sig2=iJC7NMO_VoPutQs7yiRTPA

    A very interesting read. Explains a lot about the stages of the Islamic take over.
    Interesting to note that just disrupting one of the steps in the program will set back the caliphate and even stop it in it's tracks if what I read is to be believed.

    "One way to un-cast the Islamic State’s spell over its adherents would be to overpower it militarily and occupy the parts of Syria and Iraq now under caliphate rule. Al‑Qaeda is ineradicable because it can survive, cockroach-like, by going underground. The Islamic State cannot. If it loses its grip on its territory in Syria and Iraq, it will cease to be a caliphate. Caliphates cannot exist as underground movements, because territorial authority is a requirement: take away its command of territory, and all those oaths of allegiance are no longer binding."

    It also explains a lot more.
    I had a suspicion that the was a logical path to what was going on and that events such as the attack in Paris are only negligible spats mainly carried out by out of favour al-Qaeda.

    A recommended read.
    May have to re-read to take it all in though.


  • #4328
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Would you laugh(if you could) at Cromwell and his settlers/planters if they were attacked, and settlements burned? I would, **** your moral superiority, they are colonisers, you cant just go to another country and declare a chunk of it belongs to you, and then cry when the natives start kicking your arse.

    I don't find mass killings funny in the slightest no matter who the victims are.

    I have read the 1641 Depositions and didn't even raise a smile reading how 4,000 settlers in Ulster were murdered - not even the witness accounts of how men, women and children were burned alive in Kilmore.

    I also didn't laugh as I translated reports from Irish about the hanging of children by Richard Bingham during the conquest of Mayo in 1586 - I searched the records and did years of genealogical research to find out their names so finally their deaths would be recorded albeit nearly 500 years later.


    But then I spend a lot of time reading of atrocities carried out at different times by different people and they all have the same stupid justifications so I just don't find barbaric slaughter amusing - no matter who has carried it out or in what cause.

    You obviously do.


  • #4329
    ihatemyfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    There's plenty in ireland capable of this in the not distant past

    Absolutely. Best not import more so. I like living in a safe prosperous nation and being able to go about my business without terrorist threats hanging over my head or bomb warnings.


  • #4330
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Dude.

    You laughed.

    People were murdered and you posted LMAO and then justified an atrocity.

    That's just sick.

    Dude...

    You really ought to take a time out from this thread. Every other post is from you and the majority are either paranoid claims or mere disagreeing for the sake of it.


  • #4331
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Its not a thread exclusive to posters that make serious allegations that posters on this thread are supporters of a terrorist organisation. All can participate.

    Well go jump in and answer some one else's post then as mine was asking a specific poster a specific question.


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  • #4332
    SpaceSasqwatch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭SpaceSasqwatch


    ihatemyfish wrote: »
    Absolutely. Best not import more so. I like living in a safe prosperous nation and being able to go about my business without terrorist threats hanging over my head or bomb warnings.
    And dont forget the muslamic rayguns:rolleyes:


  • #4333
    ihatemyfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭ihatemyfish


    SpaceSasqwatch wrote: »
    And dont forget the muslamic rayguns:rolleyes:

    You mean that video of leftists making fun of an inebriated EDL chap going on about "muslamic rape" gangs?

    Well guess fooking what? He was right. Thousands of young British girls were raped by Muslim rape gangs.


  • #4334
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    I was kinda half thinking of putting up a poll to see if people would take the plunge and actually regard being Muslim as a sufficient grounds to bar someone from emigrating here, if for not other reason than my own curiosity at how some of the arguments being played out here are being received by the lurkers - does anyone know if that would be permitted or does it skirt too close to the 'No Racism' portion of the rules (which encompass religion)?


  • #4335
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    So why do we not see these constant barbaric incidents from Christian groups or Buddhists? Its always Muslims, every time something happens on the TV like this, who can straight away think "Oh it must be the Buddhists again".

    .
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Buddhists attacking Muslims in Myanmar.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2014/04/18/april-18-2014-atrocities-in-myanmar/22768/

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306
    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    Read what I said. It is constantly Muslims and you knew that was the case the moment the news broke.

    Buddhists are not waging Jihad on all free people who don't want anything to do with them.
    Orangebrigade wrote: »
    Are you comparing Buddhist violence with Islamic violence in 2015?
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    No.

    I am showing that not only Muslims are carrying out sectarian atrocities.
    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    ANYTHING to deflect away from islamic violence.
    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    He/she wasn't laughing at people being murdered, he/she was laughing at your desperate attempts to deflect away from islamic violence.

    .

    What an interesting timeline.

    Q- 'Any one but Muslims commit atrocities?'


    'Yes - here is an example of Buddhists committing atrocities'.

    'DEFLECTION - TRYING TO DEFLECT!!! ARRRRGH!!! ATTEMPT TO DEFLECT FROM MUSLIM ATROCITIES'


    'LMAO - Muslims murdered like. Your not laughing because you have no sense of humour cos it if you had you'd laugh if Cromwell's settlers were slaughtered like cos that would be funny.'


  • #4336
    GT_TDI_150
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    Did/does syria have mustard gas?

    That sh!t is scary... Bullets do damage ... Limited damage, but lethal damage all the same... Mustard gas ... That would be frighting.

    Isis have lutted everything else they could get at so ... Why not this?


  • #4337
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    Dude...

    You really ought to take a time out from this thread. Every other post is from you and the majority are either paranoid claims or mere disagreeing for the sake of it.

    Gee dude.

    Thanks for the faux concern but I'm a grown up dude and can take care of myself.
    Dude.


  • #4338
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    No - I never said left wing politics can't be as authoritarian as right wing - in fact I made my opinion of Stalin quite clear.

    I said the term fascist refers to the right only. That had nothing to do with my political views and everything to do with being taught that words have meaning and we can't just decide to make them mean what we personally want them to mean. That is what you were doing. Sr Patrick would have battered you for that in my day mister!

    Oh stop pretending like you were ever interested in what I had to say - I was just a target to aim your rants at. I'm ok with that. I feel I got to know you and am sure I would like to ever have a chat over a cup of tea. I reckon you feel the same.

    If your so knowledgeable about Fascism, surely your aware of the Left wing Fascists in Italy, and the fact that Fascism was referred to as the "Third Way" (outside left or right) famously used by Tony Blair without realizing its associations.

    To quote the man who shaped Fascism (Mussolini)

    "Fascism, sitting on the right, could also have sat on the mountain of the center ... These words in any case do not have a fixed and unchanged meaning: they do have a variable subject to location, time and spirit. We don't give a damn about these empty terminologies and we despise those who are terrorized by these words."

    Just because some academics use a term in one way doesn't mean its the only way it can be used.


  • #4339
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I said the term fascist refers to the right only. That had nothing to do with my political views and everything to do with being taught that words have meaning and we can't just decide to make them mean what we personally want them to mean. That is what you were doing. Sr Patrick would have battered you for that in my day mister!

    Words change over time. "Fascist" is now widely used to refer to any autocratic, dictatorial system, not just those of certain political backgrounds.


  • #4340
    Ctrl Alt Delete
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Ctrl Alt Delete


    bilston wrote: »
    I just watched a report on the BBC there from Sinjar which has just been liberated by the Kurds.

    They found a mass grave with the bodies of up to 80 Yazidi women. According to local reports when they refused to convert to Islam they were divided into old and young. The young were taken away to probably become sex slaves, the older women got a bullet in the head.

    I posted a still from a video where this happened to 5000 in one city who refused to convert.

    I was accused of hyperbole. The "let's talk" brigade are nearly as dogmatic are ISIL themselves


  • #4341
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Gee dude.

    Thanks for the faux concern but I'm a grown up dude and can take care of myself.
    Dude.

    Are you honestly taking the pi $$ out of me for using the term dude when I was clearly the one taking the p out of you for using it 😄

    OK continue on.


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  • #4342
    SpaceSasqwatch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭SpaceSasqwatch


    ihatemyfish wrote: »
    You mean that video of leftists making fun of an inebriated EDL chap going on about "muslamic rape" gangs?
    Nope he definitely said muslamic rayguns.

    Go ahead and defend a simpleton,it provides good reading:)

    The fact a muslim rapes a person doesnt make all muslims rapists.Its simple logic.The same way that not all irish people were IRA bombers even though a tiny subset of them did actually carry out bombings.

    I have a pain in me hole keeping it simples for simple people but sure thats the nature of the internet.


  • #4343
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I don't find mass killings funny in the slightest no matter who the victims are.

    I have read the 1641 Depositions and didn't even raise a smile reading how 4,000 settlers in Ulster were murdered - not even the witness accounts of how men, women and children were burned alive in Kilmore.

    I also didn't laugh as I translated reports from Irish about the hanging of children by Richard Bingham during the conquest of Mayo in 1586 - I searched the records and did years of genealogical research to find out their names so finally their deaths would be recorded albeit nearly 500 years later.


    But then I spend a lot of time reading of atrocities carried out at different times by different people and they all have the same stupid justifications so I just don't find barbaric slaughter amusing - no matter who has carried it out or in what cause.

    You obviously do.

    So when the allies were fighting the NAZIS were they not allowed a laugh when they killed their enemies after all they just took out people who had devastated most of Europe.


  • #4344
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    Is this a BDSM thing or something?

    'OMG WE ARE SO EVIL, JUST HIT US BIG BOYS, HIT US REAL GOOD'

    "We"? I have never invaded nor voted for anyone who is treating the Middle East like a playground and nor have many people - this is precisely why attacks against civilians for political reasons, like those committed on Friday night, are so unimaginable appalling.

    However, we do have the power to stop it from happening in the future.
    This, together with Mr. 222 out of 239 Years of war, has got to be some of the most pathetic displays of Western angst/self-loathing/"we're such bad Imperialists we ruin you when we run you and we ruin you when we don't" found in this thread so far.

    Again with the "we". It's not "us", it's our corrupt leadership.
    It's a cheap shot to take but if your so convinced of how malevolent the West is with it's evil tendrils all over the world, how on earth can you content yourself to live there?

    Because the West is ok when you're actually living in it. It's how the West's leaders treat the rest of the world that I'm taking issue with.

    Do you deny that Western governments have asserted that the Middle East is their to direct, usurp, control and coerce? Invading countries to force regime change, toppling democratically elected governments, siding with dictatorships and offering them weapons to help keep civilian uprisings down, doing deals with countries who rightly deserve to be completely isolated and blackballed internationally for their behaviour, etc?

    Are you genuinely denying that this happens all the time?


  • #4345
    Azalea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭Azalea


    Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »
    I posted a still from a video where this happened to 5000 in one city who refused to convert.
    What I don't get though (and I'm not directing this at you because I don't know your view on it) is people saying refugees from this horror should be barred from entering Europe, or that those fleeing at the moment are highly unlikely to be genuine. It seems a bit hypocritical to be saying in one breath that it's horrific what people are enduring under the fundamentalists but on the other hand not wanting those victims to seek refuge from same.


  • #4346
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    So when the allies were fighting the NAZIS were they not allowed a laugh when they killed their enemies after all they just took out people who had devastated most of Europe.

    Anyone who laughs while extinguishing a human life is a vile, evil scumbag. No exceptions.


  • #4347
    Eugene Norman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Azalea wrote: »
    What I don't get though (and I'm not directing this at you because I don't know your view on it) is people saying refugees from this horror should be barred from entering Europe, or that those fleeing at the moment are highly unlikely to be genuine. It seems a bit hypocritical to be saying in one breath that it's horrific what people are enduring under the fundamentalists but on the other hand not wanting those victims to seek refuge from same.

    Because you can't be sure they are in fact victims. They could be Isis. I mean it looks like two prepretators already were.


  • #4348
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    I have it from a very close source that this thread is going to feature in a prominent newspaper article about the reaction to this atrocity this week.

    Yous are all going to be famous. :D


  • #4349
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    I have a pain in my hole listening to straw man arguments.

    The nerves which would be responsible for anal pain are in no way intertwined with those responsible for processing auditory input. The pain in your hole is highly unlikely to be related to what you're listening to, and as such it would be advisable for you to seek prompt medical attention.


  • #4350
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Because you can't be sure they are in fact victims. They could be Isis. I mean it looks like two prepretators already were.

    It has also being proven that one was a french born attacker, so do we therefore do you now treat every french born person the same way?


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  • #4351
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Anyone who laughs while extinguishing a human life is a vile, evil scumbag. No exceptions.

    All I'm saying is their fighting a war lets not get roped into a WW1 scenario Irish soldiers were sent to fight the Ottoman Empire one of the reasons we fell out with Britain was our opposition to war. If your are fighting a war and terror like this is a declaration of war than destroying the enemy is very good.


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