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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #4142
    6781
    Closed Accounts Posts: 431 ✭✭6781


    I see a load of people on social networks questioning why these terrorists would carry their passports when carrying out a suicide attack. To me it's simple, it's so they can be identified and what ever remains the authorities find can be returned to their families for a hero's funeral. They don't want to be nameless martyrs and it's helps Islamic States propaganda. Why is this so hard to understand without going down the tinfoil hat wearing false flag rubbish?


  • #4143
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,460 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    That Wallace is some tool what he tweeted just to push his own agenda.

    More in his line to pay back what he owes.


  • #4144
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    123balltv wrote: »
    France conducts airstrikes in Syria.

    Were France not already bombing IS targets in Syria?


  • #4145
    Paramite Pie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Correct, but only in places that prohibit inward migration from Muslims.

    No, but there risks being a civil war in parts of Europe. If all the countries close their borders then most of the migrants will all be stuck in the medditeranean/eastern europe where right wing facism his quite high. Tensions will rise -- riots will turn into attacks and things may get very bloody.

    Western Europe with be less affected. ISIS are a serious threat but civil disruption is more likely. Islam will never take over the West or the World.


  • #4146
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    6781 wrote: »
    To me it's simple, it's so they can be identified and what ever remains the authorities find can be returned to their families for a hero's funeral.

    That would probably require a real ID.


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  • #4147
    SpaceSasqwatch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭SpaceSasqwatch


    6781 wrote: »
    I see a load of people on social networks questioning why these terrorists would carry their passports when carrying out a suicide attack. To me it's simple, it's so they can be identified and what ever remains the authorities find can be returned to their families for a hero's funeral. They don't want to be nameless martyrs and it's helps Islamic States propaganda. Why is this so hard to understand without going down the tinfoil hat wearing false flag rubbish?
    they were bootleg passports so your dodgy logic is meaningless


  • #4148
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Sky news reporting that the French police may have questioned and released the terrorist (who's now at large) after the attacks, without knowing how significant he was to the ISIS operation.


  • #4149
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    SpaceSasqwatch wrote: »
    they were bootleg passports so your dodgy logic is meaningless

    That has not been confirmed!


  • #4150
    coolhandspan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭coolhandspan


    Devastated to hear about all dead and injured in Paris.

    Don't want to mix up threads, are we [Irish Republic] ready top deal with similar scenario. Don't want to discuss tactics etc bur surely we should be running drills and exercises??


  • #4151
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,143 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Nodin wrote: »
    Sectarian fear mongering nonsense.

    Get away out a that. It is a normal reaction to murdering scumbags in the name of a religion of peace. What an oxymoron that is after what happened.

    Truth of the matter is, no one knows what Islamic fundamentalists, or ordinary Muslims are at. No one does.

    To question them is right and proper in this day and age of Islamic terrorism.

    It is called being sensible. Away with your calling it sectarianism, leave that to NI, where it still happens, but thankfully they are not shooting and bombing each other to smithereens anymore.

    Wake up.


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  • #4152
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    Interesting article from Libération, interviewing a group of Muslim Parisians. Worried of course that the blame for the attacks will fall upon people like them but no self pity. They align themselves witht the "great nation" of France & are ready to fight back against extremism. Don't know how representative these voices are but it does give some hope.

    http://www.liberation.fr/france/2015/11/14/a-saint-denis-la-france-est-en-guerre-et-elle-peut-compter-sur-ses-banlieues_1413466

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.liberation.fr%2Ffrance%2F2015%2F11%2F14%2Fa-saint-denis-la-france-est-en-guerre-et-elle-peut-compter-sur-ses-banlieues_1413466&sl=auto&tl=en


  • #4153
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Many people got there before you and I replied to them so you could have just read those you know.

    okay, i just read through some of your earlier posts on this and am a tad confused now…are you serious? bringing up the mormons’ “spiritual marriage” nonsense and jerry’s weird preferences in order to justify child marriage in islam…or what is your point anyway? and what do the hindus have to do with any of it?


  • #4154
    FalconGirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭FalconGirl


    coolhandspan wrote: »
    Devastated to hear about all dead and injured in Paris.

    Don't want to mix up threads, are we [Irish Republic] ready top deal with similar scenario. Don't want to discuss tactics etc bur surely we should be running drills and exercises??

    I certainly hope we are. Don't know if it is anything to do with Fridays attacks but I was in Liffey Valley today and there was a visible Garda presence that I haven't seen before.


  • #4155
    6781
    Closed Accounts Posts: 431 ✭✭6781


    SpaceSasqwatch wrote: »
    they were bootleg passports so your dodgy logic is meaningless
    Time will tell if it's a real passport or not. In the mean time we'll just completely rule out one of the attackers could have entered Europe as a refugee


  • #4156
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Paramite Pie wrote: »
    No, but there risks being a civil war in parts of Europe. If all the countries close their borders then most of the migrants will all be stuck in the medditeranean/eastern europe where right wing facism his quite high. Tensions will rise -- riots will turn into attacks and things may get very bloody.

    Western Europe with be less affected. ISIS are a serious threat but civil disruption is more likely. Islam will never take over the West or the World.

    You are aware most of Western and Northern Europe (ourselves and France excluded) have sub-replacement fertility levels and are expected to becoming Islamic within 50 years?


  • #4157
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Wurzelbert wrote: »
    okay, i just read through some of your earlier posts on this and am a tad confused now…are you serious? bringing up the mormons’ “spiritual marriage” nonsense and jerry’s weird preferences in order to justify child marriage in islam…or what is your point anyway? and what do the hindus have to do with any of it?

    If you thought I was justifying child marriage in any shape or form then you are more than confused - you are downright wrong.


  • #4158
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Custardpi wrote: »
    Interesting article from Libération, interviewing a group of Muslim Parisians. Worried of course that the blame for the attacks will fall upon people like them but no self pity. They align themselves witht the "great nation" of France & are ready to fight back against extremism. Don't know how representative these voices are but it does give some hope.

    http://www.liberation.fr/france/2015/11/14/a-saint-denis-la-france-est-en-guerre-et-elle-peut-compter-sur-ses-banlieues_1413466

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.liberation.fr%2Ffrance%2F2015%2F11%2F14%2Fa-saint-denis-la-france-est-en-guerre-et-elle-peut-compter-sur-ses-banlieues_1413466&sl=auto&tl=en

    After a reasonable period they need to stage a massive "not in our name" march.


  • #4159
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    The Mirror (i know, not a great source) are reporting that France have retaliated by dropping 20 bombs on a Jihadi training camp.


  • #4160
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,143 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    FalconGirl wrote: »
    I certainly hope we are. Don't know if it is anything to do with Fridays attacks but I was in Liffey Valley today and there was a visible Garda presence that I haven't seen before.

    Parking problems or a drug raid.


  • #4161
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    You are aware most of Western and Northern Europe (ourselves and France excluded) have sub-replacement fertility levels and are expected to becoming Islamic within 50 years?

    That is...the most incredible bollocks, and I've read a lot of nonsense on this thread on all sides.


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  • #4162
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Discodog wrote: »
    After a reasonable period they need to stage a massive "not in our name" march.

    Yes.

    They must be seen to oppose fundamentalism.


  • #4163
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    You are aware most of Western and Northern Europe (ourselves and France excluded) have sub-replacement fertility levels and are expected to becoming Islamic within 50 years?

    Does that map take into account the lessening in importance in religion in western states?


  • #4164
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    coolhandspan wrote: »
    Devastated to hear about all dead and injured in Paris.

    Don't want to mix up threads, are we [Irish Republic] ready top deal with similar scenario. Don't want to discuss tactics etc bur surely we should be running drills and exercises??

    Honestly? No, probably not. Our services have been slashed consistently for half a decade, and it's not like the military or intelligence services were that well funded to begin with.


  • #4165
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Does that map take into account the lessening in importance in religion in western states?

    No, and it also doesn't take into account the breeding ground for extremism caused by the forming of ghettoes and the radicalization of youths within Europe - in Sweden, France, Germany, the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands.


  • #4166
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Penny Tration wrote: »
    The Mirror (i know, not a great source) are reporting that France have retaliated by dropping 20 bombs on a Jihadi training camp.

    Channel hopping through the various news channels and not seen any mention of this.


  • #4167
    SpaceSasqwatch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭SpaceSasqwatch


    6781 wrote: »
    In the mean time we'll just completely rule out one of the attackers could have entered Europe as a refugee
    Wasnt ruling out if the attacker was amongst refugees or not,was just pointing out that your conclusion that they had their passports on them so that they could get returned to their family was arse-ways logic.


  • #4168
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Samaris wrote: »
    That is...the most incredible bollocks, and I've read a lot of nonsense on this thread on all sides.

    Well why so as a European walking down a street in a European country, you feel like the outsider.


  • #4169
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    No, and it also doesn't take into account the breeding ground for extremism caused by the forming of ghettoes and the radicalization of youths within Europe - in Sweden, France, Germany, the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands.

    Explain the forming of ghettoes in europe?


  • #4170
    Custardpi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Custardpi


    While I think an attack like Paris is extremely unlikely in Ireland I shudder to think how an event (intentional or otherwise) with a similar casualty level would be handled here. I'd be very pessimistic about the health service being able to cope for instance, particularly if it occurred during the busier winter months.


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  • #4171
    Tasden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Channel hopping through the various news channels and not seen any mention of this.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1588256/france-drops-20-bombs-on-is-stronghold-raqqa


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