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Bannasidhe wrote: »

Or course skillless Irish never went to any other part of the world ever.
No Irish went to the UK and claimed the dole ever.

Or lived in little Paddy Ghettos like Kilburn spending their days in Irish pubs becoming radicalised by Irish republicans...

No - all the Irish were peaceful, well educated people like Sir Bob and Sir Terry and Graham who quickly embraced Anglicisation and cheered Huzzah Huzzah at cricket matches.

If all the Irish hadn't been like the Three Nice Paddies mention above surely the UK should have closed the borders to the Irish - That would have prevented Hyde Park, Brighton, Warrington etc.

Thank you for bringing up this point. I was hoping someone would.

You posit that since Irish people emigrated (which resulted in violence) that it is karmic justice that Muslims emigrate to other countries (which results in violence). You posit that since we did something (moving en masse - when there were no laws against this), it follows that we can not oppose a similar action by other groups (where there ARE laws against it - the Dublin Regulations).

This is farcical.

Irish people emigrated to two notable places: UK and the US. In both instances, the Irish migrated en mass. This resulted in the forming of Irish-enclaves and ghettoes. We'll take one as a point of argument: Boston.
In Boston, Irish people lived with Irish people, they retained their Irish culture (Boston is still proud of its Irish heritage today). You know what happened because of this? The Irish became a criminal demographic. Huge numbers of Irish became entwined in Irish gangs and had to police their own areas.

Remember Al-Capone and those gangsters who made enormous sums of money from the alcohol smuggling during the Prohibition? That crime enterprise was started by, and dominated by, the Irish. Remember those race riots during the American civil war that saw black people lynched in the streets? That was carried out by Irish mobs as they saw blacks as a threat to their progression.

So, your argument hinges upon the belief that since Irish people went to the US and UK, that somehow this justifies tremendous migration of Muslims? We can look back at history and see that, categorically, mass migration is absolutely a bad idea. As we have seen with our own people's history.

You are arguing a fallacy and relying upon whataboutery to guilt-trip people into supporting your failed, philanthropic notions. This is nonsensical.

If you want to argue why mass migration is something we should support, you need to actually come up with a reason why we should support it, and not simply try to guilt trip us into supporting it.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

As an aside I am quite impressed at the number of posters who seem to know what I think even when I haven't said anything of the kind - appeasement, cuppa tea and now Muslims want to come here to be Westernized.

If they do not want to be Westernized, why come to a Western country? They are just as safe in Qatar or the UAE as they are here. And Qatar and the UAE are much closer to them geographically, and much wealthier than us per person (Qatar is one of the wealthiest regions in the world per capita).

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I happen to think most of the Muslims who currently want to come 'here' actually want to escape from the bombing and killing and civil wars raging through their homelands. Dunno if they wish to become 'Western' (because the West is of course a monoculture) but I am fairly sure they don't want to become dead.

They are safe in Lebanon or Jordan or Turkey, or Greece, or Macedonia, or Serbia. Why do we have dozens of videos of them saying they want to go to Germany if all they are fleeing is war?

And "Western" refers to the shared ideals. French, German, Swedes, Polish, British, American, Canadian, Australian... They all integrate here amazingly well, just as the Irish can integrate amazingly well into their countries.

Ghost Buster wrote: »

But ...ummmm isnt that the militarys job?

Yep, it is their job to go in, but the point that was made pages back is how easy it is to say go on in there when it isn't yourself. And that is very true.

Would the parents of Irish people in the military be ok to wave their children off to a war like this?

I would propose that what we are seeing in France is indeed the true face of Islam.

During the first 7 centuries of Christendom, there was peace, and the advancement of education, culture, and healthcare. When Islam arrived, it brought carnage, mayhem, and massacres. Massacres in the Holy Land and North Africa, and invasions of many places, including Spain. Wherever Islam has appeared, it has brought only carnage and destruction.

muhammad, the man the Muslims say was the greatest man who ever lived... was not a nice man. I refrain from saying what I really think about him... because I don't want to be banned off the site, but I suggest everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim, go and research this man and tell me that he is an example to anyone but the most perverted and sick individuals.

As a friend often says, the 'good Muslims' that many of us know, are not actually 'good Muslims', they are nice people who have not internalised, researched, or taken seriously, the reality of their religion and the man who the idolise. Which is ironic, given the whole idol thing.

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