Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Dkinn

david75 wrote: »

If only all the keyboard warriors here would go and fight Isis. Or at least get informed before they spout their uneducated, racist, sectarian bile.

Sectarian to condemn the events of last night? Right so....

Very Bored

This afternoon at 3pm there will be a charity football match for Unicef between legends from the last twenty years of football in the UK and Ireland and legends from the rest of the world. The ambassador and captain for the rest of the world team is Zinedine Zidane. There's something poetic about a French national, and international, hero, who happens to be Muslim, playing a pivotal role in such a humanitarian event the day after such terrible events in Paris. There are few people who come across as proud of being French as Zizou and there are few French icons who the French people are prouder of. Those who would condemn all Muslims for the atrocities of last night need to ask themselves the question, what is the true face of Islam. Is it those lunatic c*nts responsible for last night? Or is is people like Zidane?

Fuhrer

Dkinn wrote: »

Sectarian to condemn the events of last night? Right so....

Dont forget Racist and uneducated.

screamer

My name is URL wrote: »

I asked why an attacker would be carrying a passport while engaging in such an act. I didn't question or dispute the possibility that he was Syrian

It's blindingly obvious that carrying a passport in such circumstances would be done in order to suit the agenda and goals of those responsible, who want discussion and fear in the west to be about refugees in general... and they're getting their way in that regard.

Or and I know this is so far fetched and hard to believe he was a Syrian who just hates the west and wanted to let us know that. Maybe he is quite proud of what he did and wanted his 15 minutes of fame to be attributed to him. Shock horror.

Amirani

Dkinn wrote: »

Well if they're not showing any condemnation to their peers then I suppose there would be some degree of support there no?

Neutrality to the actions last night is despicable enough.

I disagree with your logic. Their "peers" are a population of like 2 billion people, it's not like its some little club where everyone knows each other.

Have you issued your official condemnation for the IRA bombings yet? Or any actions of any Europeans or Americans as they're essentially part of our peer group?

Bannasidhe

david75 wrote: »

If only all the keyboard warriors here would go and fight Isis. Or at least get informed before they spout their uneducated, racist, sectarian bile.

Actually that's a good idea.

All those calling for 'boots on the ground' should lead by example and put their own boots on the ground. Easy to call for military offensive when it's some other poor sod getting shot at...

Dkinn

Very Bored wrote: »

This afternoon at 3pm there will be a charity football match for Unicef between legends from the last twenty years of football in the UK and Ireland and legends from the rest of the world. The ambassador and captain for the rest of the world team is Zinedine Zidane. There's something poetic about a French national, and international, hero, who happens to be Muslim, playing a pivotal role in such a humanitarian event the day after such terrible events in Paris. There are few people who come across as proud of being French as Zizou and there are few French icons who the French people are prouder of. Those who would condemn all Muslims for the atrocities of last night need to ask themselves the question, what is the true face of Islam. Is it those lunatic c*nts responsible for last night? Or is is people like Zidane?

And shouldn't those people be coming out in force speaking against what happened last night rather than burying their heads in the sand?. A bit of solidarity between both packs of victims perhaps?, because it's not happening and hasn't happened after most other events

Fuhrer

Very Bored wrote: »

This afternoon at 3pm there will be a charity football match for Unicef between legends from the last twenty years of football in the UK and Ireland and legends from the rest of the world. The ambassador and captain for the rest of the world team is Zinedine Zidane. There's something poetic about a French national, and international, hero, who happens to be Muslim, playing a pivotal role in such a humanitarian event the day after such terrible events in Paris. There are few people who come across as proud of being French as Zizou and there are few French icons who the French people are prouder of. Those who would condemn all Muslims for the atrocities of last night need to ask themselves the question, what is the true face of Islam. Is it those lunatic c*nts responsible for last night? Or is is people like Zidane?

An absolutely spurious statement to make.

What was it in his Islam belief that caused Zidane to be such a great footballer? If he wasnt a Muslim would he still have been as great? Almost certainly.

If the people last night werent Muslims, would they have murdered all those innocent people? Almost certainly not.

namloc1980

david75 wrote: »

If only all the keyboard warriors here would go and fight Isis. Or at least get informed before they spout their uneducated, racist, sectarian bile.

Condemning and criticising the attacks and the perverse interpretation of Islam that these extremists have is now sectarian and racist?! Right on man.

Rightwing

My name is URL wrote: »

I asked why an attacker would be carrying a passport while engaging in such an act. I didn't question or dispute the possibility that he was Syrian

It's blindingly obvious that carrying a passport in such circumstances would be done in order to suit the agenda and goals of those responsible, who want discussion and fear in the west to be about refugees in general... and they're getting their way in that regard.

Nonsense. You want to answer your own question.

A Syrian may be extremely proud to be carrying out this atrocity.

A Syrian may want to hit France after bombing the country.

A Syrian may be mentally unstable.

There are hundreds of reasons why he may do it, none of which you or I will ever know.

namloc1980

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Actually that's a good idea.

All those calling for 'boots on the ground' should lead by example and put their own boots on the ground. Easy to call for military offensive when it's some other poor sod getting shot at...

Nah, much easier to be a bleeding heart liberal shouting for open borders and a bit of understanding. That'll fix it.

kleefarr

England v France Tuesday.
Still going ahead I heard. Good.

Dkinn

Amirani wrote: »

I disagree with your logic. Their "peers" are a population of like 2 billion people, it's not like its some little club where everyone knows each other.

Have you issued your official condemnation for the IRA bombings yet? Or any actions of any Europeans or Americans as they're essentially part of our peer group?

They have heads of state, Imams and organisations most of which are not actively condemning the actions done in THEIR name last night. If the IRA attacked in the name of Irish people do you think the Irish government or other figure heads would be passive to what happened?

We've had numerous statements from action groups, heads of states, priests, ministers, you name it condemning the troubles, that argument is void. We've also had more groups condemning the action in the middle East by the Americans and British forces from this side of the world than those who support it. We had daily movements marching the streets condemning the Iraq and afaghan wars.

Where are all these figures from the middle East or even clonskeagh condemning last night's actions?.

walshyn93

Gebgbegb wrote: »

There were reports in the media saying that the attackers who were heard speaking/shouting spoke fluent french as if they were natives of france. Hence why I think the carrying of syrian passports was more a message than a form of personal identity.

Although would I be wrong in saying that everyone in France must carry some form of identity at all times (or maybe that's just drivers).

The syrian passport was found on a suicide bomber.The suicide bombers were probably not heard speaking at all so it may be the case that ISIS used untrained unseasoned Syrians refugee as suicide bombers.

Still not the most important point because the imminent threat comes from the settled or homegrown Muslim population. The migrants are a future threat.

namloc1980

kleefarr wrote: »

England v France Tuesday.
Still going ahead I heard. Good.

Things like this have to go ahead. If not we might as well wave the white flag.

kleefarr

namloc1980 wrote: »

Things like this have to go ahead. If not we might as well wave the white flag.

Agreed. Hope it passes safely.

Facekicking 2 The Future

Unless the people of the wider Middle East slowly educate themselves and it will take centuries, wall themselves in and fix their own mess, and realise that only when belief falls goes into the background, can democracy be a permanent fixture.

They're more interested in their beliefs than democracy. Maybe it'll get so bad objectionably that it'll dawn glacially in their cultural psyches ad like everybody in the USSR just said no and walked out of Communism in a matter of months.

To switch up an old Indian phrase

Only after the last person has been cut down,
Only after the last mind has been poisoned,
Only after the last comfort has vanished,
Only then will you find that Islam won you nothing

Dkinn

namloc1980 wrote: »

Things like this have to go ahead. If not we might as well wave the white flag.

France and white flags....uh oh

RedemptionZ

Amirani wrote: »

I disagree with your logic. Their "peers" are a population of like 2 billion people, it's not like its some little club where everyone knows each other.

Have you issued your official condemnation for the IRA bombings yet? Or any actions of any Europeans or Americans as they're essentially part of our peer group?

Not quite. The people who radicalise young Muslim men do not operate in secrecy. They would be known by the community. Not going to law enforcement and allowing them to continue is a passive way of condoning extremism.

An Irish equivalent of that would probably be closer to if you knew an active member of the IRA during the troubles that had some part in the bombings during the troubles and never went to law enforcement.

My name is URL

namloc1980 wrote: »

Nah, much easier to be a bleeding heart liberal shouting for open borders and a bit of understanding. That'll fix it.

Point to one person who has called for 'open borders'?

No... thought not.

Is there no middle ground between that and the polar opposite or something?

Condemning and criticising the attacks and the perverse interpretation of Islam that these extremists have is now sectarian and racist?! Right on man.

People in this very thread have called for the deportation and worse of Muslims, in general. That's not sectarian in any way though, right?

walshyn93

Very Bored wrote: »

This afternoon at 3pm there will be a charity football match for Unicef between legends from the last twenty years of football in the UK and Ireland and legends from the rest of the world. The ambassador and captain for the rest of the world team is Zinedine Zidane. There's something poetic about a French national, and international, hero, who happens to be Muslim, playing a pivotal role in such a humanitarian event the day after such terrible events in Paris. There are few people who come across as proud of being French as Zizou and there are few French icons who the French people are prouder of. Those who would condemn all Muslims for the atrocities of last night need to ask themselves the question, what is the true face of Islam. Is it those lunatic c*nts responsible for last night? Or is is people like Zidane?

You don't know anything about Zidanes beliefs and nor does anyone else. Maybe they're private for a reason.

TheLastMohican

Herb Powell wrote: »

That's bullshhit. Total bullshhit.

Care to elaborate O Wise One?

suicide_circus

There's gonna need to be some security at the Euros

Bannasidhe

namloc1980 wrote: »

Nah, much easier to be a bleeding heart liberal shouting for open borders and a bit of understanding. That'll fix it.

Still waiting to hear your solution btw - are you busy impotently shaking your fist and ranting about PC liberals to suggest an actual solution?

orubiru

Dkinn wrote: »

And shouldn't those people be coming out in force speaking against what happened last night rather than burying their heads in the sand?. A bit of solidarity between both packs of victims perhaps?, because it's not happening and hasn't happened after most other events

"Both packs of victims"?

I'd rather be the victim of "racism" from anonymous posters online than be lying in the street bleeding out many years before I should have been expecting death.

I'd rather be the victim looking at "offensive" drawings of my prophet than the friends and families planning funerals right now.

Today, I'd rather be the victim facing up to the difficulty that comes with having my religion criticised than be the person trying to understand why loved ones have been killed in the name of said nonsense, backward, religion.

Sunflower 27

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Did you even read my post? Don't try to imply I think they have some responsibility in these killings. I said they need to come out and condemn these killings and speak out about radicalisation. Why would Irish people turn on them for that? Read the post before you assume I'm some anti Islam militant. Nearly 25% of all Muslims are radicalised, but that means that 75% aren't. These 75% need to unite and stand up to the radicals.

Wow, so touchy. I am not implying ANYTHING, I merely explained why Muslims are wanting to distance themselves from this ****e and you cant blame them for that when you read ignorant people on here saying we need to wipe out the Middle East.

wp_rathead

walshyn93 wrote: »

You don't know anything about Zidanes beliefs and nor does anyone else. Maybe they're private for a reason.

Oh ffs

kleefarr

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516

Um, wonder how far this will go?

Ghost Buster

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Actually that's a good idea.

All those calling for 'boots on the ground' should lead by example and put their own boots on the ground. Easy to call for military offensive when it's some other poor sod getting shot at...

The next time theres a power cut due to storm I presume rather than contacting the ESB youll be shimmying up a pole yourself?

Sunflower 27

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Actually that's a good idea.

All those calling for 'boots on the ground' should lead by example and put their own boots on the ground. Easy to call for military offensive when it's some other poor sod getting shot at...

Exactly, sitting at home on the couch, beer in hand, SKY news on. So easy to say when someone else is putting themselves in the firing line.

I ask of everyone here, would you do it? I know I wouldn't. not a hope in hell and I would do my best to stop anyone I loved doing it as well.