Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-11-2015 01:03AM

Figsy32 wrote: »

John Cashman was full back and did fine. When Duhallow went a man down he was the spare man. To be honest such little ball went down that end with the wind in the second half he didn't have a lot to do.

It's a good 21 team but they struggled yesterday, although the conditions were terrible. O'Halloran was lively. Cathal Cormack was a big miss.

I would like to see Fergal Ryan involved in cork coaching some time
Any chance?
Cashman is a fine player

Figsy32 · 10-11-2015 01:13AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I would like to see Fergal Ryan involved in cork coaching some time
Any chance?
Cashman is a fine player

Both Cashmans will be brilliant players.

I wouldn't say there's a chance with Fergal in the short term anyway. He's a super super coach though.

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-11-2015 01:57AM

Figsy32 wrote: »

Both Cashmans will be brilliant players.

I wouldn't say there's a chance with Fergal in the short term anyway. He's a super super coach though.

A pity as from what I have seen he's excellent in he ticks all the boxes for modern coaching in tactically astute adaptable game plan can man manage and be ruthless when needed but crucially he learns from games
I would rather him than one involved in the cork senior set up if I'm honest

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-11-2015 02:14AM

A brilliant point was raised here in horgan being only one or two players scoring a goal like yesterday.
Imo while horgan is probably the only one in cork bar maybe pa Callaghan who could maybe scored goal like that in cork certainly joe canning Shane dowling who got brilliantly one hand point v greatest full back jj delaney in championship, lar Corbett who i think got a similar type of goal for munster years ago, tj Reid and Callan could all imo score goals like that
Having said that paudie sullivan if I'm correct got a spectacular ist touch v kk in the league years ago in cork so possibly he could get it
Conor lehane to be fair got an amazing different type of goal in he's ist all ireland final in what was breath taking goal also

The goal was great yesterday no doubt but there's imo different versions of great in rubgy a fifteen man maul try could be deemed as great by some while others would deem a break away try form sixty yards as great
In soccer Maradona goal v England was great but then Ronnie whelan v ussr could equally be defined as great in both were just different skills were used
Tony cascarino goal v England twenty five years ago to the day this Saturday was equally as great in it was a header against two defenders and niall Quinn goal v England was a foot pass goal ist touch and both were different skills but equally as great

In hurling imo it's the same concept in many different skills of hurling that could be seen as equally as great

I would think tj Reid goal in all ireland last year when he's team needed him the most was magnificent skill absoultey outstanding Callan goal in all ireland finals and series, canning excellent goal v kk in leinster final, dj carey goal years ago v clare in championship and v Galway many years ago in a qualifier and even pa Cronin goal v clare in the all ireland final were great great goal in yes we're all different skills but when the need was greatest in championship inter county they goaled

From a pure instinct wise and execution of skill no doubt horgan goal was magnificent and a joy to behold but then john Fenton championship instinct goal from the half way or close it with he's ground strike was just as awesome

Brian cocoran magnificent drop shot v waterford was a great great goal as it was championship inter county when the need was greatest and more so in Brian was a converted forward
Austin Gleasson goal a different type of goal imo last year was great as it was in championship and a superb solo goal

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-11-2015 02:21AM

Nemo play legion sunday and it's good chance to also view Peter keane who is kerry minor coach and higly rated
Good test of o brien and co but I think nemo will win

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-11-2015 02:22AM

Figsy32 wrote: »

Both Cashmans will be brilliant players.

I wouldn't say there's a chance with Fergal in the short term anyway. He's a super super coach though.

Will Shane o keoffe ever feature with cork
I rate him as a potential cork players

CORKDOUBLE · 10-11-2015 09:20AM

Eddie Brennan new Kilkenny u21 manager with Brian Cody advising him ! dream team !

N20 · 10-11-2015 10:00AM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Eddie Brennan new Kilkenny u21 manager with Brian Cody advising him ! dream team !

2008 since KK last won 21 not that its held them back any

I imagine thats a good appointment Brennan comes across well on TV and if I was a KK u/21 id be suitably inspired. He must have ambitions to step into codys shoes !

And they have plenty of talent - minor title 2014 and really robbed by Galway in semi last year with that square ball goal

At this point in time, its Hard to imagine Cork metting them in competition unfortunately

TTM there are scores of those goals on youtube - aussie gleesons is a hard watch with cork defenders trailing in his wake

Some beauties fr om leinster championship as well

There are a few other have wrists like Hoggy alright

Hurleratheart · 10-11-2015 11:33AM

Lads I just heard theres corn ui muiri on tomorrow for Rochestown mostly Douglas and Blackrock players
21 replay fixed now for Friday night and rochetown have o Callaghan cup same time
2 days late Douglas play Blackrock in minor league and 3 days later rochestown with same players face templemore in Harty
Thats a disgrace those lads play 4 matchs in 8 days weres the player welfare there
Pure disgrace lads will be injured playing in that muck and ****e
How can we look after young players with this jokes hop of fixtures
Parents should pull there kids from games for there own protecton

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-11-2015 12:48PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Eddie Brennan new Kilkenny u21 manager with Brian Cody advising him ! dream team !

You see i know it sounds boring when I completely cross reference kk and Dublin and kerry all the time but it's primarily cause again simply this move shows they treat the game seriously

It was only a matter of time the under twenty one just like kerry was resolved in kk as it had been poor coaching when minors done well and school and senior cody develop player further missing link was under twenty one so cody as an advisor is correct moves and is two fold as he's doing jack o connor done sullivan in kerry he's grooming brennan for further role down the line and he's also making he's job easier by rather develop players at senior he gets them out of minor

Brennan was not just picked as profile name in have no doubt behind scenes cody looked at he's postive and unlike great sir Alex made poor move bring in moylrs as coach and no surprise he was let go in Spain cody is developing brennan at earlier grade
Also worth nothing brennan coached junior team kk county as mentioned in the paper

Kk like kerry have a full house of management now at all levels and no jokers in there house of cards

Brennan will be allowed grow in to hes role but cody will guide him
Again you would never see cork doing this in this is kk coaching the coaches as well as the players also

Cody is able to do under twenty one and senior and said paper could be James stephen manager also and recently was the club under twenty one management
My point is that imo kissane could double up at minor and senior for cork also
Also worth nothing is tippeary finalised there senior back room team and fanning and Ryan while good hurling men same as past years so imo not need they needed to change and is uninspiring and by all accounts had problems getting selectors

Tippeary are there to be beaten next year however having seen cork ist few weeks with management back room etc and panel to be fair tipp have no reason to fear cork either

One point of note is tippeary have appointed William maher ex minor coach as manager under twenty one and john devane also and Imo under twenty one management better than senior

Limerick will be favourites next year at this grade but kk and tippeary management appointment have indeed raised the bar and Cork have huge huge ground to make up
It also doesn't look good for waterford in there last year with minors from three years ago last chance win badly needed under twenty one as I'm view like cork won't win senior all ireland until under twenty one is won it's hard to see waterford win now as limerick tippeary and kk all seem to have much better management and all those counties have young hurling talent as well
Got to admire kk they take there hurling seriously
Brennan will be extremely good manager as reading he's article he can be ruthless when needed and not soft minded manager
Not good for rest hurling world when this will strengthen kk at senior even further not that they needed it
Kk always moving forward and an absoultey credit to hurling in fairness

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-11-2015 12:54PM

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Lads I just heard theres corn ui muiri on tomorrow for Rochestown mostly Douglas and Blackrock players
21 replay fixed now for Friday night and rochetown have o Callaghan cup same time
2 days late Douglas play Blackrock in minor league and 3 days later rochestown with same players face templemore in Harty
Thats a disgrace those lads play 4 matchs in 8 days weres the player welfare there
Pure disgrace lads will be injured playing in that muck and ****e
How can we look after young players with this jokes hop of fixtures
Parents should pull there kids from games for there own protecton

It's completely wrong what you say is true and your right
Unfortunately though not just a city problem as this is happening clubs all over and I didn't see much sympathy for for example charville when they had there recent county final moved short notice among other clubs
Even looking at stradbally the other day it was a joke asking them play a day before the munster game
The view was waterford football is poor it makes no difference but they should not been asked play two games two days
I know and appreciate you like highlight specific Rochestown things and I agree with you completely but this has happened plenty of other teams in cork also and unfortunately keep happening.
Gaa go on burn out etc and scrap football under twenty one grade inter county yet do nothing with these examples

seventh7 · 10-11-2015 04:28PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

It's completely wrong what you say is true and your right
Unfortunately though not just a city problem as this is happening clubs all over and I didn't see much sympathy for for example charville when they had there recent county final moved short notice among other clubs
Even looking at stradbally the other day it was a joke asking them play a day before the munster game
The view was waterford football is poor it makes no difference but they should not been asked play two games two days
I know and appreciate you like highlight specific Rochestown things and I agree with you completely but this has happened plenty of other teams in cork also and unfortunately keep happening.
Gaa go on burn out etc and scrap football under twenty one grade inter county yet do nothing with these examples

Its no wonder we can't bring through kids to the senior scene. Its a minefield and the fallout from injury and burnout is huge. An overall panoramic view of all underage fixtures needs to be taken to reduce the overlaps and allow for proper rest periods.

Notabluffer · 10-11-2015 06:43PM

I am new here and been reading thru many GAA threads and one poster seems to have expert opinion on everything in hurling and football. Its great to read such a wealth of inside information about teams and managers.
I often wondered why Kilkenny and Kerry lead the title race in both codes and feel it must be related to colleges for young players. While the 'foreign games' are played in every county now my guess is hurling and football take precedence in the two counties above. Not sure this would be the case in Cork or Limerick these days because of city life etc, but Dublin is big enough to promote every code and have top committed people running the show.
I wouldn't know anything about Kieran Kingston of Peadar Healy so can only wish them well in the next few years. They have a tough time facing them if history tells us anything. Kingston surely has the better chance of success based on Cork's hurling history but 2004 is creeping into the not so recent history bracket now. Eleven/twelve years must seem like a lifetime of failure for those hurling die hards around east Cork.
Football followers are immune to disappointments by now and 2010 is still recent enough to enjoy I'm sure.
What of the future?
I read on another forum that the GAA is dead in Cork.
The poster gave many good reasons for this but put the blame firmly on one man which I don't subscribe to.
It seems odd and very strange that young GAA players from Cork cannot now compete and beat anybody so a root and branch examination of structures has to be a prerequisite for a remedy.
Somebody here is pretty adamant that proper coaching is rule one for success and I suppose it's hard to argue with that except that raw material or talent must be available if a good coach is to succeed.
I would try to cling to the old maxim that these things happen in cycles and Cork youth will rise again soon.

commonsense. · 10-11-2015 07:44PM

Hurleratheart wrote:

Lads I just heard theres corn ui muiri on tomorrow for Rochestown mostly Douglas and Blackrock players 21 replay fixed now for Friday night and rochetown have o Callaghan cup same time 2 days late Douglas play Blackrock in minor league and 3 days later rochestown with same players face templemore in Harty Thats a disgrace those lads play 4 matchs in 8 days weres the player welfare there Pure disgrace lads will be injured playing in that muck and ****e How can we look after young players with this jokes hop of fixtures Parents should pull there kids from games for there own protecton

Very similar situation has raised its ugly head in Tipp. St Marys(hurling)and Clonmel Commercials(football) players caught up in a plethora of club and school fixtures. County minor hurling final on Sat, Munster senior club football semi final on Sunday and Corn Ui Mhuiri v Rochestown on Wed. Some players have been told by their club not to make themselves available to school for Wednesdays game. As equally nuts as Douglas/Blackrock/Roco situation. Not fair to players.

Hurleratheart · 10-11-2015 08:26PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

It's completely wrong what you say is true and your right
Unfortunately though not just a city problem as this is happening clubs all over and I didn't see much sympathy for for example charville when they had there recent county final moved short notice among other clubs
Even looking at stradbally the other day it was a joke asking them play a day before the munster game
The view was waterford football is poor it makes no difference but they should not been asked play two games two days
I know and appreciate you like highlight specific Rochestown things and I agree with you completely but this has happened plenty of other teams in cork also and unfortunately keep happening.
Gaa go on burn out etc and scrap football under twenty one grade inter county yet do nothing with these examples

You jus cant help yourselk

Im sorry for any club gets caught in fixture mess but I am talking pacifically about underage players here
Theres prob a cork session going on as well for some

Ruining young lads for future any young lads from anywhere

It makes sense · 10-11-2015 09:02PM

commonsense. wrote: »

Correct, what an absolutely outstanding goal. There area only 1 or maybe 2 other players at most in the country who would have scored that goal. But let's be clear here, Hoggie has plenty of knowledgeable hurling people in Cork who can see what he brings. It's just sometimes a minority have the annoying ability to shout loudest and unfortunately longest.[

You are totally correct not many players in cork would have scored that goal and he has more natural talent than most but he often leaves you feeling that he has more to offer. Watching the game especially in the second half he was often on the outside of melee for the ball waiting for something to happen instead of making it happen going in and winning the dirty ball the game passed him by maybe the mentors should have brought him out further. It is not about shouting the loudest but getting frustrated that someone with all his ability does not seem to do on a more consistent basis.

Hurleratheart · 10-11-2015 09:09PM

It makes sense wrote: »

You are totally correct not many players in cork would have scored that goal and he has more natural talent than most but he often leaves you feeling that he has more to offer. Watching the game especially in the second half he was often on the outside of melee for the ball waiting for something to happen instead of making it happen going in and winning the dirty ball the game passed him by maybe the mentors should have brought him out further. It is not about shouting the loudest but getting frustrated that someone with all his ability does not seem to do on a more consistent basis

Frustrating is something we all feel the constant attacks are unfair and. Very boring if your bothering to read them
Imo

N20 · 10-11-2015 09:30PM

commonsense. wrote: »

Very similar situation has raised its ugly head in Tipp. St Marys(hurling)and Clonmel Commercials(football) players caught up in a plethora of club and school fixtures. County minor hurling final on Sat, Munster senior club football semi final on Sunday and Corn Ui Mhuiri v Rochestown on Wed. Some players have been told by their club not to make themselves available to school for Wednesdays game. As equally nuts as Douglas/Blackrock/Roco situation. Not fair to players.

Saw something on premier view about this - presume Marys / Clonmel Commericials feeder clubs for Clonmel High School who are competing in Harty and Corn Ui Mhuiri so there must be horrendous pressur down there on a par with Rochestown situation

Surely they cant stop the lads playing with their schools - it seems a desperate situation

And can you clarify the issue with Kildangan are they a feeder club for Nenagh who are out in Harty the following week as well?

i agree with hah its too many games in bad conditions and the likely result is injuries

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-11-2015 10:05PM

Hurleratheart wrote: »

You jus cant help yourselk

Im sorry for any club gets caught in fixture mess but I am talking pacifically about underage players here
Theres prob a cork session going on as well for some

Ruining young lads for future any young lads from anywhere

I totally agree with you it's wrong what is happening in Rochestown and your correct if players were pulled from playing it would be justified

CORKDOUBLE · 10-11-2015 10:12PM

TTM of this parish is one of the best reads on the GAA forums .....REBELGAA is no longer with us but there was a guy who posted on it he was fantastic as well CORKIONAN his post were full of information any know where is he now ???

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-11-2015 10:31PM

N20 wrote: »

Saw something on premier view about this - presume Marys / Clonmel Commericials feeder clubs for Clonmel High School who are competing in Harty and Corn Ui Mhuiri so there must be horrendous pressur down there on a par with Rochestown situation

Surely they cant stop the lads playing with their schools - it seems a desperate situation

And can you clarify the issue with Kildangan are they a feeder club for Nenagh who are out in Harty the following week as well?

i agree with hah its too many games in bad conditions and the likely result is injuries

Do you think there is any quick fix to the solution?

Alf Tupper · 10-11-2015 11:01PM

It makes sense wrote: »

You are totally correct not many players in cork would have scored that goal and he has more natural talent than most but he often leaves you feeling that he has more to offer. Watching the game especially in the second half he was often on the outside of melee for the ball waiting for something to happen instead of making it happen going in and winning the dirty ball the game passed him by maybe the mentors should have brought him out further. It is not about shouting the loudest but getting frustrated that someone with all his ability does not seem to do on a more consistent basis.

To be fair to Pat Horgan, it's not his fault that he is a good wristy hurler on a bad team.

I don't recall any lads from Cork giving out in the same way about JBM, John Fenton, Seanie McGrath, Charlie Mac, the O'Connors etc, none of whom ever won dirty ball.

Pat Horgan is not the problem.

The paucity of the Cork and Glen teams is the problem!

commonsense. · 11-11-2015 12:08AM

It makes sense wrote:

You are totally correct not many players in cork would have scored that goal and he has more natural talent than most but he often leaves you feeling that he has more to offer. Watching the game especially in the second half he was often on the outside of melee for the ball waiting for something to happen instead of making it happen going in and winning the dirty ball the game passed him by maybe the mentors should have brought him out further. It is not about shouting the loudest but getting frustrated that someone with all his ability does not seem to do on a more consistent basis.

There is only one player in Cork who would have scored that goal.
I find your post very interesting. Can't quite put my finger on it but it has a certain familiarity.

Hurleratheart · 11-11-2015 12:53AM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

TTM of this parish is one of the best reads on the GAA forums .....REBELGAA is no longer with us but there was a guy who posted on it he was fantastic as well CORKIONAN his post were full of information any know where is he now ???

Depends on were your starting from I say me self
You got anwser on proc tonight
Small world
Twins maybe

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-11-2015 01:39AM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

TTM of this parish is one of the best reads on the GAA forums .....REBELGAA is no longer with us but there was a guy who posted on it he was fantastic as well CORKIONAN his post were full of information any know where is he now ???

I appreciate your compliments but I would ask you not to keep praising me here please as what happens when you say stuff like this unfortunately it will annoy others don't like my posts and that's there right and when you praise me you create medium other to disagree as proven last post and thread becomes about one poster
I don't know how many times I have said it but this post isn't about one poster but many good poster here
This isn't my thread and even though some won't believe it i never claim it was or certainly don't want it to be
I post lot doesn't mean thread about me but some would like to make it out to be and you numerous times praising me is only adding to that
You like my posts fair enough you don't have to keep saying it as what will happen is next thing people will think we're in unity together here which we both no isn't the case
As regards cork onion on no I was not him as only post here and my posts style is unique in it would be clear my style different
This thread is gaa imo some try make it out be my blog it's not
Posts like yours only add to there view and you get response like below which take this thread off topic

commonsense. · 11-11-2015 09:36AM

N20 wrote: »

Saw something on premier view about this - presume Marys / Clonmel Commericials feeder clubs for Clonmel High School who are competing in Harty and Corn Ui Mhuiri so there must be horrendous pressur down there on a par with Rochestown situation

Surely they cant stop the lads playing with their schools - it seems a desperate situation

And can you clarify the issue with Kildangan are they a feeder club for Nenagh who are out in Harty the following week as well?

i agree with hah its too many games in bad conditions and the likely result is injuries

Yes, Kildangan kids would go to secondary school in Nenagh. far from ideal for all concerned.

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-11-2015 11:31AM

Best of luck to all the cork team in the football today.

danganabu · 11-11-2015 02:50PM

N20 wrote: »

Saw something on premier view about this - presume Marys / Clonmel Commericials feeder clubs for Clonmel High School who are competing in Harty and Corn Ui Mhuiri so there must be horrendous pressur down there on a par with Rochestown situation

Surely they cant stop the lads playing with their schools - it seems a desperate situation

And can you clarify the issue with Kildangan are they a feeder club for Nenagh who are out in Harty the following week as well?

i agree with hah its too many games in bad conditions and the likely result is injuries

There are 5 Kildangan minors starting for Nenagh CBS and one or two more on the panel.

This isn't really the thread for this but it should be noted that a lot of the info on Premierview is incorrect, I don't post there, as there is zero moderation and its basically run by a few school ground bully's, but I do ocassionally read the threads. The fact is that St Mary's looked for the minor match to be played this weekend and not Kildangan, I was at the county board meeting and saw the email myself from the Mary's secetary.

Orizio · 11-11-2015 02:59PM

Roco getting hammered by Clonmel.

Orizio · 11-11-2015 03:19PM

Macroom being well beaten as well, Charleville hammering A.G.

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