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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #1742
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,755 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    What are you starting so early? No point in calving anything till the bonus kicks in
    I calve outside, cows will be in full milk by october 1st-when liquid bonus kicks in-. It works for me so I will stick at it.


  • #1743
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    whelan2 wrote: »
    I calve outside, cows will be in full milk by october 1st-when liquid bonus kicks in-. It works for me so I will stick at it.

    We'll be all calved outside too.
    Started ai last yr 16th Dec and had a good share still calve in the end if sept


  • #1744
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,755 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    We'll be all calved outside too.
    Started ai last yr 16th Dec and had a good share still calve in the end if sept
    yes but your ground is dry. you could calve outside all year round. Only deaths from autumn born calves were twins, gives them a great start being born outside. First one calved here on 31st august and last one on 18 october. Gives me a break too before main group start calving in January


  • #1745
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,707 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Met 4 different z grazers on road this am ,1 farmer owned and 3 been towed by contractors on hire .wonder what they charge to cut a load ??


  • #1746
    Deepsouthwest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Met 4 different z grazers on road this am ,1 farmer owned and 3 been towed by contractors on hire .wonder what they charge to cut a load ??

    Around €50 an hr from what I've heard from lads in my dg. Probably ideal scenario to have a contractor owning one. No one in my immediate area, yet!


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  • #1747
    Brown Podzol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Brown Podzol


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Met 4 different z grazers on road this am ,1 farmer owned and 3 been towed by contractors on hire .wonder what they charge to cut a load ??

    €150 a load around here for a wagon, 250hp tractor with mower on front.


  • #1748
    Deepsouthwest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    Brown Podzol wrote: »
    €150 a load around here for a wagon, 250hp tractor with mower on front.

    Must be a big load. How many cows would it feed for a day? The one around here will feed 60 cows for a day


  • #1749
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    Around €50 an hr from what I've heard from lads in my dg. Probably ideal scenario to have a contractor owning one. No one in my immediate area, yet!

    one after landing near us on hire at 55 an hour.its funny 12 months or so ago i was hoping someone would buy one for hire and now its here i have no interest in it but wouldnt rule out that from time to time i may use it.heard the other day of a fella who put in his heifers early so he could zero graze the grass home to his cows.now its one thing if you have for some reason a very large out farm with spare grass but in my view he is just in creasing his costs as it increases the cost of dry matter whereas at least he was feeding his heifers cheaply now both herds are fed more expensively


  • #1750
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Got a 19% nut for winter milkers. Boss ordered it. Not particularly happy but it has good ingredients in it.
    We'll see how they go.


  • #1751
    jack o shea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 607 ✭✭✭jack o shea


    would it be any harm to give milkers beef nuts now for a few weeks?


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  • #1752
    Brown Podzol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Brown Podzol


    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    Must be a big load. How many cows would it feed for a day? The one around here will feed 60 cows for a day

    Don't know, it's a friend getting it done, a load every second day between 120 cows. Cows out by day and getting a few kg in the parlour. The conditioner is off the mower and the load can't be packed full to prevent damage to the grass. The contractor has a new wagon ordered which will have conveyor belts on the back to feed out grass on either side.
    To hazard a guess , I'd say a load would feed 120 cows for one day.


  • #1753
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,707 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    jack o shea wrote: »
    would it be any harm to give milkers beef nuts now for a few weeks?

    Why beef nuts jack??,much better with a defined dairy mix which will also contain cal mag to prevent tetany


  • #1754
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,755 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Got a 19% nut for winter milkers. Boss ordered it. Not particularly happy but it has good ingredients in it.
    We'll see how they go.
    how much are they?


  • #1755
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    jack o shea wrote: »
    would it be any harm to give milkers beef nuts now for a few weeks?

    Why beef nuts jack??,much better with a defined dairy mix which will also contain cal mag to prevent tetany
    Plus a decent level of other mins. Better yet if you have a bin/store get an own brand mix made up with around 50%grains, maize and wheat or barley,15%soya hulls/citrus pulp, 30% rapeseed, 5% molasses calmag and minerals to balance for a 2kg/day feed rate. Should be around 15/16% pr.

    I read heifers in your post jack. You want this for milkers? Blend probably useless with augers/feeders. For milkers you could reduce grains a bit and put in a bit of soya to push to 18%. Someone posted that the first four ingredients in X mix were good quality. Four ingredients other than mins and molasses is always more than enough.

    The rest are just dirt, byproducts of a process where someone else has already flogged the sh1t out of the original product and is trying to screw you on the basis of a cp level of whatever. Grains, soya, rapeseed, distillers, citrus (ish) and soya hulls. After that tell your miller to take the rest of the muck out.


  • #1756
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Dairygold post calver gold 18% is 305 nut, 290 I think coarse. Has yeast and bioplex pack in it. The 18% without those is 280 in nut form I think. Anyone getting soya bean meal? 390 from dg


  • #1757
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    whelan2 wrote: »
    how much are they?

    Haven't a clue because dad ordered.
    Not happy about it because he never told me what he ordered I presumed it was the usual 16%.
    Rep must have talked him into the 19%


  • #1758
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Haven't a clue because dad ordered.
    Not happy about it because he never told me what he ordered I presumed it was the usual 16%.
    Rep must have talked him into the 19%

    Ah gg see how they go on it first, u never know it could work out well


  • #1759
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,755 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Milked out wrote: »
    Dairygold post calver gold 18% is 305 nut, 290 I think coarse. Has yeast and bioplex pack in it. The 18% without those is 280 in nut form I think. Anyone getting soya bean meal? 390 from dg
    :eek: wouldnt pay anything near 300 for meal


  • #1760
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Haven't a clue because dad ordered.
    Not happy about it because he never told me what he ordered I presumed it was the usual 16%.
    Rep must have talked him into the 19%

    I wouldn't stress out over it.
    I'm using an 18% nut on spring calvers and the milk urea is 28.


  • #1761
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    I wouldn't stress out over it.
    I'm using an 18% nut on spring calvers and the milk urea is 28.

    Just going on past experience is all P


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  • #1762
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    I wouldn't stress out over it.
    I'm using an 18% nut on spring calvers and the milk urea is 28.

    Just going on past experience is all P

    It all depends on the quality of the pr and whether there's enough energy in the diet to utilise it. Would have no hesitation about feeding 18% here if it was what was needed. Had a 22% blend going in last winter but s lot of the forage was wholecrop. Loads of starch around to mop up the pr.


  • #1763
    Deepsouthwest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    Do any of ye bolus incalf heifers before calving? Have been using the all-sure bolus here for yrs, and v happy with it, but I normally only give to the milkers around Christmas, I sprinkle a bit of bag minerals on the silage for the incalf heifers. Should they get a bolus as well? Don't seem to have an issue with first calvers going back in calf here


  • #1764
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    whelan2 wrote: »
    :eek: wouldnt pay anything near 300 for meal

    What you feeding whelan? How much ye paying for 18% p nut? Yeah I must price around yet, was seeing what we'll do for winter diet. Prob get 3 way mix barley maize and beet pulp and soya in another bin and use those for tmr with grass and maize silage and get 18% for parlour then to top up fresh girls.


  • #1765
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    freedominacup wrote: »
    It all depends on the quality of the pr and whether there's enough energy in the diet to utilise it. Would have no hesitation about feeding 18% here if it was what was needed. Had a 22% blend going in last winter but s lot of the forage was wholecrop. Loads of starch around to mop up the pr.

    There's a dairy nutrition programme available for free on nap website, under 'nutrient requirements of dairy cows', its not the most sophisticated nutrition model, but its easy to use and used with excel you can optimise diets straight forward enough


  • #1766
    Henwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭Henwin


    anyone using a diet feeder that chops up sugar/fodder beet. is it able to give a good chop, we have a keenan diet feeder ere and we were looking at growing beet to supplement the dairy cows feed.


  • #1767
    Deepsouthwest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    Saturday's the only day I have any help at the moment, I know it's only 30 cows, but it's still 240 tubes, so I may as well avail of the help, first time I've ever had anyone with me tubing cows.
    Saturday tends to be a busyish day here during the winter, try and have as much as possible done, so I have as little as possible to do on sunday.
    Must be in and finished at 300 tomo, my wife's hosting a toddlers Halloween party for Crumlin Childrens Hospital, over 20 adults and 35 small kids confirmed to be coming, should be mayhem.
    I'd nearly prefer to be dry tubing cows!!

    Edit that to Temple Street Children's hospital, and we raised €800 at the kids party.
    So now there's more money in partying than farming!


  • #1768
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    Edit that to Temple Street Children's hospital, and we raised €800 at the kids party.
    So now there's more money in partying than farming!
    Well done!

    A great sum for a worthy cause.


  • #1769
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    Edit that to Temple Street Children's hospital, and we raised €800 at the kids party.
    So now there's more money in partying than farming!

    Fair play to you both.
    Great cause


  • #1770
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    Do any of ye bolus incalf heifers before calving? Have been using the all-sure bolus here for yrs, and v happy with it, but I normally only give to the milkers around Christmas, I sprinkle a bit of bag minerals on the silage for the incalf heifers. Should they get a bolus as well? Don't seem to have an issue with first calvers going back in calf here

    Only mins here are in dairy nuts or weanling nuts.

    No extra minerals of any type fed. No orecalver or bolus used. No ill effects of any description.

    Edit: 92% in calf in 12 weeks with zero intervention


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  • #1771
    Henwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭Henwin


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Only mins here are in dairy nuts or weanling nuts.

    No extra minerals of any type fed. No orecalver or bolus used. No ill effects of any description.

    Edit: 92% in calf in 12 weeks with zero intervention

    That must be a Jersey cross herd?


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