Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

jaymla627

keep going wrote: »

Do you know the way sometimes you see a building on th farmers journal and you go that makes no sencewell the other day I met a young fella with a good job who is taking over the farm at home and he was telling me that when you allow that he will qualify for 60 %grant and the fact he is in the high tax bracket basically means it will only cost him 20 % of the build, puts adifferent slant on things

You'd want to be fairly sure your fully cross compliant before applying for the 60% grant, their's pages of small - print that could lead you to ending up getting no grant and then to top it of hefty bps penelties.
When you take into account the extra cost in building to grant spec aswell it really is only a 35-40% grant when you peel it back too

Greengrass1

jaymla627 wrote: »

You'd want to be fairly sure your fully cross compliant before applying for the 60% grant, their's pages of small - print that could lead you to ending up getting no grant and then to top it of hefty bps penelties.
When you take into account the extra cost in building to grant spec aswell it really is only a 35-40% grant when you peel it back too

Yep if you had 80 cows last yr and 90 this yr and hadn't got capacity on paper you'll be slapped with a crosscompliance and a definite fine.

jaymla627

Timmaay wrote: »

11.5k per unit!!! Just looking at it now, for once it isn't a clearly sponsored by Dairymaster article (looks like a Delaval parlour?).

Looking at the pics their isn't even a field to yield system, just your bog standard batch system, having said that a guy up the road from us spent a similar amount on a 20 unit, the reason being he used probably the two dearest milking/building contractors in the country along with spending 6,000 on a crush, mass concrete walls everywhere even including the roofs on the dairy/bulk tank rooms ffs, plus special non-drip fibre cladding with the list going on, the building contractor got 100k for his troubles and the parlour guy nearer 200k, alot of guys got their trousers pulled down when the rush was on with Tams scheme and the ending of quotas and milk up in high 30s

Greengrass1

How long should those pel insulators on electric wire last?
Put my hand on a few posts on fencing we did 10/12 yrs ago this morning and a fair trickle of current coming through the stake

jack o shea

can you have dung in a dundstead or a slab of concrete now at this time of year? have sheds to clean out if i got an inspection which would be worse, the dung in the shed or in the yard? too wet to spread now i think.

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Scc results back from milk recording.
6 lac cow spring calver 1.7 m scc. Incalf
Dry her off or treat and dry off?

A heifer calved 4 wks with scc of 1.4 mil. Tested her with cmt and nothing showed up. She has a bit of swelling on one quarter which could be causing?

Any cow that has a scc of less than 2mil gets 25cc of Mycotil. Job done. Following lactation is always under 100k scc.

Any cow over 2mil gets culled.


Edit.
I find that fresh calved heifers can throw very high scc and I put it down to stress, always goes back down though.

Cow Porter

Dawggone wrote: »

Any cow that has a scc of less than 2mil gets 25cc of Mycotil. Job done. Following lactation is always under 100k scc.

Any cow over 2mil gets culled.

Vet only job here looking at hpra website. How long of a dry period?

Edit: going by the warnings I think I'd rather the vet do it. Fatal to humans etc

Timmaay

jack o shea wrote: »

can you have dung in a dundstead or a slab of concrete now at this time of year? have sheds to clean out if i got an inspection which would be worse, the dung in the shed or in the yard? too wet to spread now i think.

Are you storing the run off? Over the winter outdoor dung will have serious runoff, but storing it in a shed is a valuable waste of shed space in general. I'd be making every effort to get it out now on some sort of dryish field without too much cover on it. In the past we've tried to store loose fresh dung in the outyard from a cubicle house which doesn't have a proper tank, pure disaster ha, lucky not to ever had an inspection in that yard over the winter before. I'm going to use a straw bedded shed beside it alot more this winter, and just use them cubicles to train the heifers for afew weeks.

Dawggone

Cow Porter wrote: »

Vet only job here looking at hpra website. How long of a dry period?

Vet only job here too but he leaves a bottle accidentally on purpose...

Bottle says 35days withdrawal period. We have 60days dry so never had a problem.

Deepsouthwest

alps wrote: »

Some pure useless info after inputing calving dates tonight... These are some of the straws used with the number holding/number used and AI Co.
GTW 19/24 Munster
XDO 6/9 Eurogene
CZF 4/4 Munster
WWT 14/18 Munster
FYA 7/12 Munster
YAD 8/13 Munster
KKG 5/12 Dovea
S2277 3/10 Dovea
RHS 1/4 Munster

Bit of a spread in quality me thinks...

Not useless info at all, something we all should a look at. Of course u should correlate it with days from calving to serving. No point comparing two straws from the same bull used on say a February calver and an April calver.
I know a few yrs back there was a problem with straws from ABO and cows holding, Munster had to pull him at the last minute from being used the following season, he was one of their top bulls at the time.
Ironically, a lot of the top Bulls in this yrs catalogue with Munster are ABO sons

Cow Porter

Bulk tank scc gone up. Heifers sampled high

1st calver 3 days after calving scc 1082
Same cow 8 days after calving scc 1277

1st calver 3 days after calving scc 648
Same cow 8 days after calving scc 154

A 1st calver 4 days after calving scc 14458

Then a cow 3 days after calving showing scc 1927 and her scc last year avg 59

Doing cmt on them tonight, if the heifers are high in 1 or 2 quarters do I treat yes? If high in all is it stress?

Am I taking samples too soon? Or wrong method... stripping out each quarter 5 times and then 4 or 5 strips from each into sample bottle before milking

Buford T. Justice XIX

Dawggone wrote: »

Any cow that has a scc of less than 2mil gets 25cc of Mycotil. Job done. Following lactation is always under 100k scc.

Any cow over 2mil gets culled.


Edit.
I find that fresh calved heifers can throw very high scc and I put it down to stress, always goes back down though.

Is that in addition to dry cow tubing and sealers, Dawg?

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

Are you storing the run off? Over the winter outdoor dung will have serious runoff, but storing it in a shed is a valuable waste of shed space in general. I'd be making every effort to get it out now on some sort of dryish field without too much cover on it. In the past we've tried to store loose fresh dung in the outyard from a cubicle house which doesn't have a proper tank, pure disaster ha, lucky not to ever had an inspection in that yard over the winter before. I'm going to use a straw bedded shed beside it alot more this winter, and just use them cubicles to train the heifers for afew weeks.

got a call there that we are to be inspected by county council again during the closed period, this will be the second time this year. Asked could he give me an indication of when , he couldnt say:mad:

Dawggone

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Is that in addition to dry cow tubing and sealers, Dawg?

Dry cow tubes included but no sealers used here.

jack o shea

Tim i know of a lad going to be inspected soon, would he be better off to leave the dung in the sheds? its a nitrates inspection.

awaywithyou

Just had bord bia dairy inspection there.. Went well... Got a score of 97%.... Happy enough

kevthegaff

Ordinance survey guy out measuring yard, any cause for concern for an inspection dep/coun

Timmaay

jack o shea wrote: »

Tim i know of a lad going to be inspected soon, would he be better off to leave the dung in the sheds? its a nitrates inspection.

Definitely

frazzledhome

kevthegaff wrote: »

Ordinance survey guy out measuring yard, any cause for concern for an inspection dep/coun

No Kevin. Had them here nothing to worry about. Any building without planning will now be on OS map, happy days

kevthegaff

frazzledhome wrote: »

No Kevin. Had them here nothing to worry about. Any building without planning will now be on OS map, happy days

Was worried;-)

jack o shea

its bad enough the long hours hard work crap prices getting arse raped by the likes of glanbia and larry goodman but these pricks carrying out inspections is just the final straw.

rangler1

whelan2 wrote: »

got a call there that we are to be inspected by county council again during the closed period, this will be the second time this year. Asked could he give me an indication of when , he couldnt say:mad:

At least you got a warning, some times they do a drive by and then a notice of inspection if they see something.....;)

kowtow

frazzledhome wrote: »

No Kevin. Had them here nothing to worry about. Any building without planning will now be on OS map, happy days

Could you have got him to throw in a few dotted lines to allow a bit of wiggle room for the future?

Cow Porter

Cow Porter wrote: »

Bulk tank scc gone up. Heifers sampled high

1st calver 3 days after calving scc 1082
Same cow 8 days after calving scc 1277

1st calver 3 days after calving scc 648
Same cow 8 days after calving scc 154

A 1st calver 4 days after calving scc 14458

Then a cow 3 days after calving showing scc 1927 and her scc last year avg 59

Doing cmt on them tonight, if the heifers are high in 1 or 2 quarters do I treat yes? If high in all is it stress?

Am I taking samples too soon? Or wrong method... stripping out each quarter 5 times and then 4 or 5 strips from each into sample bottle before milking

All cows have 1 quarter slightly high on cmt so will get udder mint for a few days and see then.

The one with 14458 scc has mastitis. No clots really just off colour a bit . Drove the cmt fluid into jelly altogether. Treated with tube and tylo .

mahoney_j

Cow Porter wrote: »

All cows have 1 quarter slightly high on cmt so will get udder mint for a few days and see then.

The one with 14458 scc has mastitis. No clots really just off colour a bit . Drove the cmt fluid into jelly altogether. Treated with tube and tylo .

Staph Auerous ,nasty Cnut of mastitis and v hard cure .if u havnt got a sample cultured to see what bug is involved I'd do it as then you'll know what tube to treat it with

Cow Porter

mahoney_j wrote: »

Staph Auerous ,nasty Cnut of mastitis and v hard cure .if u havnt got a sample cultured to see what bug is involved I'd do it as then you'll know what tube to treat it with

Was going to but last few that we done came back with nothing but coliform which they said could have been a bit of dirt. Definitely wasn't ecoli on them

mahoney_j

Cow Porter wrote: »

Was going to but last few that we done came back with nothing but coliform which they said could have been a bit of dirt. Definitely wasn't ecoli on them

If you've a few I'd def do it but you need to be extremely careful taking the sample not to contaminate it with any external dirt from environment ,hands etc .

Feckthis

What's the difference between a electric milk pump and diaghram pump?

kowtow

Feckthis wrote: »

What's the difference between a electric milk pump and diaghram pump?

an electric pump pushes milk up out of the parlour (it's a centrifugal pump) to the bulk tank (filters etc.) whereas the centrifugal needs a belt drive from the big vaccuum motor (often in a plant room now) and the milk is more gently circulated around it.

More volume in an electric so handy for washing.

Centrifugal more gentle so theoretically better for the milk.

Centrifugal might match speed of any plate cooler better.

Both is probably best.

Dawggone

Met a guy buying one of these in the local agri hardware store. Needs it for heifers that are reluctant to enter the robot.


Anyone have a guess at the price?