question for athiests

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

What's aliens got to do got to do with it ? What's aliens but a second hand equation, what's aliens got to do got to do with it, who needs an alien when you're having hallucinations.

UOO Uoo Wooo... got to do with it.


My friend’s wife told me of an incident whereby a huge, silent delta-shaped dark object emitting extremely bright lights slowly passed over a group of 50 to 75 people (all their relatives) on a mesa where they were celebrating a traditional Jicarilla Apache feast called the “coming out” feast, a celebration for young boys and girls (similar to the Spanish quinceanera celebration).

The huge object appeared after sundown, an hour or so after their traditional meals had ended and after the shamans had completed their chantings and dances.

They were simply stunned to see the huge triangular ‘craft’ hovering only about 200 feet or so above the campground.

The entire area lit up like daylight.

What was more amazing was that after a few minutes of hovering over the area, it suddenly took off with a tremendous gust of wind. Pots and pans were flying all over.

Some of the people were almost thrown off their vehicles. Fortunately, no one was injured, but panic spread.

The generators failed to re-start and all battery-operated appliances malfunctioned, including the car radios.

Another incident they recounted was a daytime sighting of a silver, saucer-shaped object at around 11 a.m., which hovered for 30 minutes right next to Hwy 537, not too far from the junction of U.S. 64, north of La Jara Lake.

One relative also recounted an unforgettable sighting of a huge, flying “triangle” near Hwy 537, near J-30 (Jicarilla Road, No. 30), with some type of a “cloaking device” that almost appeared to have a transparent body.

The object was described to have been close to half-a-mile in length (at least from their visual perception).

The biggest and most impressive sighting, however, took place in May of 2004 when several families were celebrating together the feast on a Jicarilla Apache campground, located at an area near J-33 and J-40, right near the Continental Divide.
Incredibly, it involved many brilliant objects in the night sky (not just one or two objects).
It literally filled up the entire sky, according to the testimony of the former Dulce police dispatcher.
There were close to 100 witnesses to this incredible incident.
The objects moved en masse slowly from one end of the sky to the other.
It was literally an “armada” of UFOs (which exactly reminded me of the famous, well-documented 1950 mass sightings of UFOs over Farmington, near the Four Corners area of New Mexico).
What was particularly fascinating about this sighting was that everyone also saw a small fleet of military helicopters which seemed to follow the objects.


Again, car radios went dead all through the sighting.
An interesting point is that many of the appearances of UFOs seem to coincide with various feasts taking place in the Jicarilla Apache reservation.
Were ‘they’ attracted to the Jicarilla feasts?
Last but not the least of the impressive Dulce sightings involved a Jicarilla Apache Forest Service ranger who witnessed a ‘craft’ of some kind enter the east side of the Archuleta Mesa through several large rocks that appeared to open (almost like a door) and in went the craft into the side of the mesa...
He excitedly reported this sighting live on his microphone while he was communicating on his radio with the Forest Service station across the south side of Dulce.
The ranger was stationed at the top of the Archuleta Mesa in the look-out building next to the radio communications tower.
This took place a few years after a big fire destroyed many of the trees on and around the mesa.


What is still strange about the aftermath of the fire, which they say (happened about 18 years ago), is the fact that all attempts for the re-forestation have so far failed on and around the Archuleta Mesa.
The trees just don’t seem to grow for some strange reason or other.

Paddy Dreadful wrote: »

Taking your non belief into account would you have preferred not to have been born or are you delighted you were?

I find your question interesting because to me, the fact that life is exceedingly rare and fragile suggests the Universe was not created with us in mind.

Considering the odds that each of us are born as opposed to a different sperm cell entering the egg and that our mothers' pregnancy came to full term each of us could be said to be exceptionally lucky to be alive.

When you also consider that 99% of all species that ever lived on this planet are now extinct, you must also conclude that if there is a divine plan, we are a rather hasty addendum to it.

I think however the assumption on which the question is predicated is the rather trite one of the religious, that a non-believer has no purpose to their life and therefore might wish they had never lived. The very existence of Atheists living happy, ethical and fulfilled lives should be evidence enough that this is a false assumption, we're doing fine thanks, very happy to be here! :-D