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pedigree 6 · 21-10-2015 06:38PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Way more Glanbia suppliers on here than Kerry. I can only think of 4 Kerry suppliers posting here off the top of my head.

Is that a Kerry joke!
Do they have phones and computers in Kerry.
Maybe they're too busy getting the cows down off the mountains.
Or they haven't got time to be on the internet.

Sorry Kerry guys couldn't resist.;):D:D

jaymla627 · 21-10-2015 06:56PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Sure what the **** do ye expect jay.
In all fairness new entrants have it alot handier than my parents and alot of ppls parents had starting out. Your not the only one that's expanding and has a SL to pay.

Fed up of this moaning now tbh

Fair playing field would be nice and some transparency from Glanbia instead of saying one thing and turning around and doing the opposite would be nice , being down 6-7 grand this year because of a gentleman's agreement between two co-ops about not taking each others suppliers has left us nicely out of pocket...
If their had been as much as a suggestion that glanbia where going to require minimum shareholding at the time I signed up to them I wouldn't of went near them with my milk made a serious mistake on my part by signing up with them and has left us seriously out of pocket,

mahoney_j · 21-10-2015 06:58PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Sure what the **** do ye expect jay.
In all fairness new entrants have it alot handier than my parents and alot of ppls parents had starting out. Your not the only one that's expanding and has a SL to pay.

Fed up of this moaning now tbh

Tbf he's dealing with reality of situation and not moaning about it .he has identified a way out ,more power to him .not a Glanbia supplier but if I was I'd quite rightly be pussed off as a supplier and shareholder for last few weeks with price cut and quota irreguralities

pedigree 6 · 21-10-2015 06:58PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Sure what the **** do ye expect jay.
In all fairness new entrants have it alot handier than my parents and alot of ppls parents had starting out. Your not the only one that's expanding and has a SL to pay.

Fed up of this moaning now tbh

Sure what harm is he doing. I'd rather someone came on here and explained their problems to all rather than bottling them up and suffering in silence.
There was good times years ago too it wasn't all in black and white.
On many farms there was the farmer and labourers, now it's just the farmer and if he's lucky a dog or a cat for company.
The way milk price is going and forecasts from people on here. Boards could be an outlet lifeline for a lot on here.

Greengrass1 · 21-10-2015 07:03PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Fair playing field would be nice and some transparency from Glanbia instead of saying one thing and turning around and doing the opposite would be nice , being down 6-7 grand this year because of a gentleman's agreement between two co-ops about not taking each others suppliers has left us nicely out of pocket...
If their had been as much as a suggestion that glanbia where going to require minimum shareholding at the time I signed up to them I wouldn't of went near them with my milk made a serious mistake on my part by signing up with them and has left us seriously out of pocket,

But your getting that money back when you get shared up

jaymla627 · 21-10-2015 07:10PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

But your getting that money back when you get shared up

The money being paid out for shares basically cancels out the gains from monies being payed back on back-dated milk, doubled production this year from last so it's a break - even excerise buying shares, but a supplier who didn't increase/stayed around the same litres is getting nicely caught

atlantic mist · 21-10-2015 07:42PM

heard the new plant built for dairygold has similar problem to that in belview

any reason why they dont build the plants as gea recommends??

bill to repair belview is frighting

leasing the ground or ill health were the only 2 avenues to get out of msa

24 cents will result in early drying off so reduced supply over xmas, we calved later due to super levy so well be keeping a few busy over xmas, it will prob alter a lot of breeding programs for spring and the supply forecasts might as well be thrown out the window

whelan2 · 21-10-2015 08:16PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Is that a Kerry joke!
Do they have phones and computers in Kerry.
Maybe they're too busy getting the cows down off the mountains.
Or they haven't got time to be on the internet.

Sorry Kerry guys couldn't resist.;):D:D

asked a lad yesterday what price he got for his september milk , said he would tell me when he gets his milk statement, in fairness he did text me the price today but I think there should be a bigger drive to get all milk suppliers on line.

Viewtodiefor · 21-10-2015 08:23PM

whelan2 wrote: »

asked a lad yesterday what price he got for his september milk , said he would tell me when he gets his milk statement, in fairness he did text me the price today but I think there should be a bigger drive to get all milk suppliers on line.

I like getting mine the old fashioned way and ain't changing until I have no choice. Got 32.4cent. And to be honest very happy with that the way things are 30% fixed

whelan2 · 21-10-2015 08:25PM

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

I like getting mine the old fashioned way and ain't changing until I have no choice. Got 32.4cent. And to be honest very happy with that the way things are 30% fixed

I knew what I was getting last friday. Milk test results on line by dinner time most days

degetme · 21-10-2015 08:27PM

Kerry supplier here
sept milk
prot 3.89
fat4.26
scc 136
milk price recived 33.561
milk price without fixed price 31.883
base price 26.432

whelan2 · 21-10-2015 08:29PM

is there any wya to get the top 10% glanbia price each month and the lowest 10% ?

Viewtodiefor · 21-10-2015 08:33PM

whelan2 wrote: »

I knew what I was getting last friday. Milk test results on line by dinner time most days

Ah yeah Whelan I know you get it sooner that way. I'm not in that much of a rush once it turns up I'm happy

pedigree 6 · 21-10-2015 08:37PM

Glanbia supplier
milk price 26.67/litre before deductions/levies after 26.26c plus 0.95 co-op bonus
Test for month Bf 3.85 pr3.67
Quality tests Tbc 2 and 3
Cell count geometric mean 93 ( higher this year)
Base price 22.81 (24 inc vat)

whelan2 · 21-10-2015 08:37PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Glanbia supplier
milk price 26.67/litre
Test for month Bf 3.85 pr3.67
Quality tests Tbc 2 and 3
Cell count geometric mean 93 ( higher this year)
Base price 22.81 (24 inc vat)

have you any fixed price?

pedigree 6 · 21-10-2015 08:43PM

whelan2 wrote: »

have you any fixed price?

No and I don't begrudge anyone that has. It's just the decision I made.
Why is the fixed milk scheme only offered when price is higher?

Greengrass1 · 21-10-2015 09:04PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Glanbia supplier
milk price 26.67/litre before deductions/levies after 26.26c plus 0.95 co-op bonus
Test for month Bf 3.85 pr3.67
Quality tests Tbc 2 and 3
Cell count geometric mean 93 ( higher this year)
Base price 22.81 (24 inc vat)

Are you breeding fir more solids?

Greengrass1 · 21-10-2015 09:15PM

Bf 4.78
Pr 4.05
32.15 cpl
400 kgs ms sold to date
This date last yr we were at 347 kgs/cow sold

pedigree 6 · 21-10-2015 09:16PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Are you breeding fir more solids?

Yes generally down through the years ai but now am getting high ebi bulls as calves from a large herd. They were averaging 24litres/day for sept.
Last calf I got has an ebi 336. -37 milk 0.32 bf 0.2 pr

atlantic mist · 21-10-2015 09:37PM

3.78 p
4.02 b
27.75 milk price inc vat
base 24

wouldnt like to be on a base price, glad i crossed down all those pure holstein

milkprofit · 21-10-2015 10:41PM

keep going wrote: »

Just proves that the farmers are just as dumb as the management that they didnt jump on it .I remember when the carbery scheme was ran last year telling people id fix half my milk at that price(32or33base I think) if I could and getting laughed at.as for belview is it not like building a shed for twice the number jof cows you have, it kills you at the time but over the long term could be the best move you ever made.im sure theres a rake of problems in glanbia but you have to realise that the shareholders own the business and you are now second fiddle.if any of the companies I have shares in was giving a preferential deals to the ex owners id be pissed off

What per cent of the milk is sold to the plc

whelan2 · 22-10-2015 10:28AM

In today's journal

keep going · 22-10-2015 11:18AM

milkprofit wrote: »

What per cent of the milk is sold to the plc

Dont know but I thought it was 100 percent

frazzledhome · 22-10-2015 11:21AM

Dawggone wrote: »

All the fighting talk that was on here when French farmers were marching on Paris/Bruxelles has evaporated...along with the arrogance of the "survival of the low cost" bull.....

When reality comes knocking on the door...:):)

That should get yeez going.

IIRC the grass based ( hype!) systems were going to rule the world when the high cost European systems suffocated on their own shyte!

Now I'm just winding ye up....

Ok phuck it, I'll bite:)

Ye nearly convinced me on the ho input route and really got me questioning the grass based spring system. I always believed that cows need to be fed rather than survive.

The grass system is often ridiculed as giving the cows enough to survive rather than kick on. This is the nonsense peddled by vested interests, people whom don't want to understand and those consumed by the vanity of litres.

I've spent the 3 days each week of the last 2 weeks on the road looking at all the common sense systems available, every thing from total confined to Oad spring calving.

The curious thing is that in the grass based farmed the price only got a cursory mention where as profit was where the game was at. On the other hand the hi input farmers, and may I add top farmers and stock men were totally consumed with price. Profit wasn't a concern rather trying to manufacture a cash flow to keep going.

In one unfortunate case the ego and total love for his cows wasn't allowing the guy even consider his options.

Another farm while having a rotary and all the accommodation for 800 cows to be managed in doors or out these guys went totally grass based and even Oad.

I couldn't see the reason for Oad save the labour but he said that the pressure from the vested interests was phenomenal. They all said "so you're going from 11000 litres to 5000 litres how will you survive?"

As the farmer said for good luck they had researched it well and had the confidence to follow through as they'd be in their knees ATM. Their price now is 18p/litre

For all the Teagasc badgers out there the only place they could get reliable non industry biased info was in Moorepark. Some had visited Moorepark more than I had.

There's no doubt these guys with the non complicated systems will survive and prosper, I would however worry for the others tbh.

Incase of doubt I saw no under fed cows on any farm but saw lots of dry cows on some these are never counted in the calc for litres per cow. The replacement level in the two systems ranged from 15% to 50%, now that's some difference in profit.

wats the craic · 22-10-2015 11:35AM

whelan2 wrote: »

In today's journal

are you jumping ship lad if so welcome to the family ....

whelan2 · 22-10-2015 11:44AM

wats the craic wrote: »

are you jumping ship lad if so welcome to the family ....

going to a meeting tonight and will consider my options

Dawggone · 22-10-2015 12:52PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Ok phuck it, I'll bite:)

Ye nearly convinced me on the ho input route and really got me questioning the grass based spring system. I always believed that cows need to be fed rather than survive.

The grass system is often ridiculed as giving the cows enough to survive rather than kick on. This is the nonsense peddled by vested interests, people whom don't want to understand and those consumed by the vanity of litres.

I've spent the 3 days each week of the last 2 weeks on the road looking at all the common sense systems available, every thing from total confined to Oad spring calving.

The curious thing is that in the grass based farmed the price only got a cursory mention where as profit was where the game was at. On the other hand the hi input farmers, and may I add top farmers and stock men were totally consumed with price. Profit wasn't a concern rather trying to manufacture a cash flow to keep going.

In one unfortunate case the ego and total love for his cows wasn't allowing the guy even consider his options.

Another farm while having a rotary and all the accommodation for 800 cows to be managed in doors or out these guys went totally grass based and even Oad.

I couldn't see the reason for Oad save the labour but he said that the pressure from the vested interests was phenomenal. They all said "so you're going from 11000 litres to 5000 litres how will you survive?"

As the farmer said for good luck they had researched it well and had the confidence to follow through as they'd be in their knees ATM. Their price now is 18p/litre

For all the Teagasc badgers out there the only place they could get reliable non industry biased info was in Moorepark. Some had visited Moorepark more than I had.

There's no doubt these guys with the non complicated systems will survive and prosper, I would however worry for the others tbh.

Incase of doubt I saw no under fed cows on any farm but saw lots of dry cows on some these are never counted in the calc for litres per cow. The replacement level in the two systems ranged from 15% to 50%, now that's some difference in profit.

LOL!!
Good man Frazzled!

I couldn't argue with one word in your post. In fact I endorse everything you say.
I think that any dairy farmer not utilizing grass in IRE/UK is bound to fold sooner or later. There may be exceptions to the above, but not many....

The point I was trying to make was, when French farmers were marching on Paris and Bruxelles the tone on this thread was that the cheaper grass based systems would fill the gap as the european farmers folded. Things have changed of late on this thread as the Irish dairy industry was explored a little more in depth...
I will be doing my accounts in Jan and I will post my CoP on here. Last year my CoP was 27cpl without any wages being paid. That equates favourably with Irish farmers...
The difference between Irish systems and French is nought. Whether you grow 16t/ha of grass or 22t/ha of maize is very little, if any.

Thanks.

Milked out · 22-10-2015 01:40PM

Base 25.5c/l received 31.149c/l including vat net.
3.9p 4.27 bf. Dairygold. 55 points on scorecard for month

Top 10% received 33.12 @ 4.04p and 4.70 bf
Bottom 10% received 27.98 @ 3.52p and 3.98 bf
Could be a big difference within those top and bottom 10 % as well as the neighbour was over 9 % solids last month which would put him further ahead again

jack o shea · 22-10-2015 02:29PM

Lads whats stopping anyone from leaving glanbia? ok the msa, so what who cares? what are glanbia going to do, sue us for money we dont have?

farmerjj · 22-10-2015 02:51PM

jack o shea wrote: »

Lads whats stopping anyone from leaving glanbia? ok the msa, so what who cares? what are glanbia going to do, sue us for money we dont have?

Yes

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