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WheatenBriar · 20-10-2015 06:20PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

May be a bit premature to declare it a white elephant just yet, don't you think?

I'm very pissed off at last price cut. Was expecting it as season is ending but really thought the coop would've been cut rather than the base. For the likes of me who'll be supplying a lot of milk for the winter it's going to mean a big cut in income.

We could have done without it tbh,the planners ran away with themselves and should be admonished

Btw was in UK last week and spring suppliers to cheese factories are getting 18p/litre. Any uncontracted milk was going for 12p on the spot market. First Milk are introducing a cap on solids meaning that you can supply hi solid milk but will only be paid to a certain %

Aye,I was at the France Ireland game (the one we won, bloody great atmosphere

) and drove through the south of England to get there,hardly seeing any animals out on grass
Long discussed here,much disparaged
Their milk business is decimating unless you are on those fair trade morrisons and aldi contracts

delaney001 · 20-10-2015 06:48PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

We could have done without it tbh,the planners ran away with themselves and should be admonished

Im interested to know how they could have done without it tbh? Every processor in the country was full to the gills this may, including bellview taking a few million a day. Where would that excess have been processed?

WheatenBriar · 20-10-2015 06:59PM

Strathroy

mahoney_j · 20-10-2015 07:00PM

delaney001 wrote: »

Im interested to know how they could have done without it tbh? Every processor in the country was full to the gills this may, including bellview taking a few million a day. Where would that excess have been processed?

Not every processor was full ,.a certain coop in north tipp processed all its own milk as well as some for Lakeland among others

Kovu · 20-10-2015 07:05PM

I think I've fixed the quotes correctly there, if not, let me know. It gets confusing otherwise.

kowtow · 20-10-2015 07:11PM

Kovu wrote: »

I think I've fixed the quotes correctly there, if not, let me know. It gets confusing otherwise.

It's going to take more than fixing the quotes to make this thread less confusing!

Kovu · 20-10-2015 07:15PM

kowtow wrote: »

It's going to take more than fixing the quotes to make this thread less confusing!

I got lost about six pages back

GDT, El Nino, Kpmg audits, Gii.... send me a map and a dictionary plz.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 20-10-2015 07:27PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

My statement/question was on management and how Giil has become the lowest payer in the country, how embarrassing for those who bore us all that false promise just 3 years ago
Our lowest price is paying for the belview white elephant

That's true up to a point, I think.

As someone said, it helped with the peak milk supply.

Going back a while, I had a small bit of experience working on driers and what has happened in Belview was, more or less, expected. Driers can be temperamental yokes at the best of times. I was working in a place with 4 Niro driers and each had its own individual pressure points where it would be expected to cause a blockage and stop a run. It must be a freaking nightmare in Belview with nobody knowing where the weak points are yet. With a bit of experience, those areas can be pinpointed and either repaired or watched and run at a specific speed(not the right word

) to minimise shutdowns.

frazzledhome · 20-10-2015 07:46PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

We could have done without it tbh,the planners ran away with themselves and should be admonished

Aye,I was at the France Ireland game (the one we won, bloody great atmosphere ) and drove through the south of England to get there,hardly seeing any animals out on grass
Long discussed here,much disparaged
Their milk business is decimating unless you are on those fair trade morrisons and aldi contracts

Did you not visit any farms and make trip "tax deductible"

kowtow · 20-10-2015 08:02PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Did you not visit any farms and make trip "tax deductible"

Did we not just read the comprehensive file note he made of the trip?

It was a carefully executed information gathering expedition. It's quite clear from the note that he spent at least 90 minutes examining just one field.

WheatenBriar · 20-10-2015 08:11PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Did you not visit any farms and make trip "tax deductible"

Now now!

frazzledhome · 20-10-2015 08:18PM

kowtow wrote: »

Did we not just read the comprehensive file note he made of the trip?

It was a carefully executed information gathering expedition. It's quite clear from the note that he spent at least 90 minutes examining just one field.

Add to that the acres of barley processed

mf240 · 20-10-2015 08:40PM

Is that 24 cent gospel frazz.

Dawggone · 20-10-2015 09:28PM

All the fighting talk that was on here when French farmers were marching on Paris/Bruxelles has evaporated...along with the arrogance of the "survival of the low cost" bull.....

When reality comes knocking on the door...:):)

That should get yeez going.

IIRC the grass based ( hype!) systems were going to rule the world when the high cost European systems suffocated on their own shyte!

Now I'm just winding ye up....

alps · 21-10-2015 12:57AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

When the price audit is completed whom do you think will be 1,2,3&4?

The processors that offered fixed milk prices will come up best.....glanbia..North Cork..

Many fixed in the 34/35 region..nice if you have it....

WheatenBriar · 21-10-2015 08:41AM

alps wrote: »

The processors that offered fixed milk prices will come up best.....glanbia..North Cork..

Many fixed in the 34/35 region..nice if you have it....

Doesn't make a halfworth of difference if its only 10% of your milk or if you're in the majority that didn't take it
Ergo if thats part of the fudge,it will fool no one

mahoney_j · 21-10-2015 09:17AM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Doesn't make a halfworth of difference if its only 10% of your milk or if you're in the majority that didn't take it
Ergo if thats part of the fudge,it will fool no one

Slightly off topic but id love to have 10/20% of my milk fixed at 32/33 or whatever the price was right now.....

keep going · 21-10-2015 10:30AM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Doesn't make a halfworth of difference if its only 10% of your milk or if you're in the majority that didn't take it
Ergo if thats part of the fudge,it will fool no one

Just proves that the farmers are just as dumb as the management that they didnt jump on it .I remember when the carbery scheme was ran last year telling people id fix half my milk at that price(32or33base I think) if I could and getting laughed at.as for belview is it not like building a shed for twice the number jof cows you have, it kills you at the time but over the long term could be the best move you ever made.im sure theres a rake of problems in glanbia but you have to realise that the shareholders own the business and you are now second fiddle.if any of the companies I have shares in was giving a preferential deals to the ex owners id be pissed off

frazzledhome · 21-10-2015 12:28PM

mf240 wrote: »

Is that 24 cent gospel frazz.

No way, my personal opinion. Health warning

WheatenBriar · 21-10-2015 12:29PM

keep going wrote: »

Just proves that the farmers are just as dumb as the management that they didnt jump on it .I remember when the carbery scheme was ran last year telling people id fix half my milk at that price(32or33base I think) if I could and getting laughed at.as for belview is it not like building a shed for twice the number jof cows you have, it kills you at the time but over the long term could be the best move you ever made.im sure theres a rake of problems in glanbia but you have to realise that the shareholders own the business and you are now second fiddle.if any of the companies I have shares in was giving a preferential deals to the ex owners id be pissed off

But the co op are not ex owners,they own 60% of GIIL, you'd swear it was 10%
The plc demanding it seems at this time 20 or 30 million profit from GIIL (when 5 or 10 would be enough) and defacto controling it to that effect with a subsidy from co op members is downright scandalous if you ask me

WheatenBriar · 21-10-2015 12:52PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Slightly off topic but id love to have 10/20% of my milk fixed at 32/33 or whatever the price was right now.....

Aye,but if you expanded and borrowed from cashflow or the bank and are milking another 30 or 40 cows,that 10% is no longer 10,it mightn't even be 5
The profit on it wouldn't pay the groceries

jaymla627 · 21-10-2015 01:46PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Aye,but if you expanded and borrowed from cashflow or the bank and are milking another 30 or 40 cows,that 10% is no longer 10,it mightn't even be 5
The profit on it wouldn't pay the groceries

Was a nice stroke for the established lads that it was based on last year's supply alright, applied for 200,000 litres and only got 20,000 litres, while a lad down the road from us put in for the same amount and got 100,000 litres as he had a million litres of quota.
expanding non - shared up farmers suppling glanbia really are getting the rough end of the stick

mahoney_j · 21-10-2015 02:23PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Was a nice stroke for the established lads that it was based on last year's supply alright, applied for 200,000 litres and only got 20,000 litres, while a lad down the road from us put in for the same amount and got 100,000 litres as he had a million litres of quota.
expanding non - shared up farmers suppling glanbia really are getting the rough end of the stick

If a non shared up member dose that also mean no Msa signed???.if so I'd be out of there on the double

keep going · 21-10-2015 02:47PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

But the co op are not ex owners,they own 60% of GIIL, you'd swear it was 10%
The plc demanding it seems at this time 20 or 30 million profit from GIIL (when 5 or 10 would be enough) and defacto controling it to that effect with a subsidy from co op members is downright scandalous if you ask me

Looking in from the outside the people you should be giving out to are you fathers and the glanbia management that was in place around the time it became a plc as the farmers gave the go ahead and the management blew it .the management in recent years has been quite good in my opinion but you now have different masters and unless you find some way out of the current arrangements to market the products you just have to get on with it.i find it strange that both kerry and glanbia prices are similar but you get alot more complaints from glanbia.anyway enough about it frofm me as its none of my business

Buford T. Justice XIX · 21-10-2015 02:52PM

keep going wrote: »

Looking in from the outside the people you should be giving out to are you fathers and the glanbia management that was in place around the time it became a plc as the farmers gave the go ahead and the management blew it .the management in recent years has been quite good in my opinion but you now have different masters and unless you find some way out of the current arrangements to market the products you just have to get on with it.i find it strange that both kerry and glanbia prices are similar but you get alot more complaints from glanbia.anyway enough about it frofm me as its none of my business

Way more Glanbia suppliers on here than Kerry. I can only think of 4 Kerry suppliers posting here off the top of my head.

jaymla627 · 21-10-2015 03:03PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

If a non shared up member dose that also mean no Msa signed???.if so I'd be out of there on the double

Have shares bought, and msa signed but thankfully am in a situation where I'm leasing the ground of the old chap and it just so happens the lease is up in December, so will see what the craic is in the spring and if glanbia are still acting the bollock, lease agreement won't be renewed and in theory should he able to supply milk in fathers name to a new co-op

alps · 21-10-2015 03:20PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Have shares bought, and msa signed but thankfully am in a situation where I'm leasing the ground of the old chap and it just so happens the lease is up in December, so will see what the craic is in the spring and if glanbia are still acting the bollock, lease agreement won't be renewed and in theory should he able to supply milk in fathers name to a new co-op

Take note everyone...

Always leave the back door unlocked....

Deepsouthwest · 21-10-2015 04:28PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

Aye,but if you expanded and borrowed from cashflow or the bank and are milking another 30 or 40 cows,that 10% is no longer 10,it mightn't even be 5
The profit on it wouldn't pay the groceries

I wouldn't be as dismissive of it as u are, I just got over 36c/l for my sept milk, from a base of 29c/l, having supplied over 15,000 litres more than sept last. And I can assure its a v welcome bonus to milk cheque.

frazzledhome · 21-10-2015 06:08PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Was a nice stroke for the established lads that it was based on last year's supply alright, applied for 200,000 litres and only got 20,000 litres, while a lad down the road from us put in for the same amount and got 100,000 litres as he had a million litres of quota.
expanding non - shared up farmers suppling glanbia really are getting the rough end of the stick

What's your quota in litres?

Greengrass1 · 21-10-2015 06:37PM

Sure what the **** do ye expect jay.
In all fairness new entrants have it alot handier than my parents and alot of ppls parents had starting out. Your not the only one that's expanding and has a SL to pay.

Fed up of this moaning now tbh

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