Residents object to temporary halting site

end of the road · 21-10-2015 07:27PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

give up. its over. how many hours have you spent on this thread talking nonsense with noone agreeing with you.

you are GETTING NOWHERE

i will never give up and its never over until full discrimination in any form toards travelers is banished to the history books as it more or less has been for other groups. i've been on this thread giving opinions and facts. its not my fault if people don't like them.

Mrsbananas wrote: »

Apologies I was answering those who maintained the reason the council backed down was this was a better site.
I'm 100% on the rockville residents side.
Feud or no feud the should have been housed imo on one of the current halting sites, best one being ballyogan Grove. I don't like some of my neighbours but we gave to live with it.

if there is a feud between families then they should not be housed on any site where there is members of the opposing family.

EazyD · 21-10-2015 07:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

i will never give up and its never over until full discrimination in any form toards travelers is banished to the history books as it more or less has been for other groups. i've been on this thread giving opinions and facts. its not my fault if people don't like them.

Repeating the same **** ad nauseum does not make it a fact.

The Talking Bread · 21-10-2015 07:29PM

Indeed

brooke 2 · 21-10-2015 07:31PM

Jayop wrote: »

Social housing with travellers likely wouldn't be a problem for the residents although I can't say that with any certainty. The issue is a messy halting site which would be there for ever.

Talk to the unfortunate people in the estate in Ballymote, Sligo, who were terrorised by travellers who moved into it - but, 'ghosts' were
responsible for the residents running out of it, according to a traveller spokeswoman!

To Elland Back · 21-10-2015 07:31PM

Personally speaking, I think we need more people exactly like end of the road representing travellers.

katydid · 21-10-2015 07:32PM

end of the road wrote: »

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if there is a feud between families then they should not be housed on any site where there is members of the opposing family.

They should be grateful to get free accommodation of any kind, and if they don't want it, tough. They can provide their own, like most of us.

Bigus · 21-10-2015 07:33PM

end of the road wrote: »

i will never give up and its never over until full discrimination in any form toards travelers is banished to the history books as it more or less has been for other groups. i've been on this thread giving opinions and facts. its not my fault if people don't like them.

if there is a feud between families then they should not be housed on any site where there is members of the opposing family.

You will never give up and even suggest using "lethal force " against peaceful protesters to impose your minority views, I see exactly where you are coming from now .

The Talking Bread · 21-10-2015 07:34PM

end of the road wrote: »

i will never give up and its never over until full discrimination in any form toards travelers is banished to the history books as it more or less has been for other groups. i've been on this thread giving opinions and facts. its not my fault if people don't like them.

if there is a feud between families then they should not be housed on any site where there is members of the opposing family.

what are you achieving by arguing on the thread when noone is showing any agreement with you
If I was such a driven, passionate and "clearly factually correct" lobbyist its not a boards thread Id be on............

Mrsbananas · 21-10-2015 07:34PM

end of the road wrote: »

if there is a feud between families then they should not be housed on any site where there is members of the opposing family.

And why not? Why are they entitled to special treatment? They are and still will be living in the same area.

The Talking Bread · 21-10-2015 07:36PM

To Elland Back wrote: »

Personally speaking, I think we need more people exactly like end of the road representing travellers.

I guess you are not a traveller then.

end of the road · 21-10-2015 07:37PM

katydid wrote: »

They should be grateful to get free accommodation of any kind, and if they don't want it, tough. They can provide their own, like most of us.

they should not be greatful to get what they are entitled to. if they don't want it or there is a feud, they can be moved somewhere else. you will except it.

katydid · 21-10-2015 07:41PM

end of the road wrote: »

they should not be greatful to get what they are entitled to. if they don't want it or there is a feud, they can be moved somewhere else. you will except it.

Given that they can afford top of the range cars, weddings and communions, there should be much better oversight of whether or really can't afford to pay for their own accommodation. But, assuming they are found to be genuinely in need, they are entitled to accommodation. Full stop.

Not accommodation that they like, near people they like. They are entitled to a roof over their heads. No more.

Can you give me a good reason why we should pander to their wishes for specific accommodation to be provided to them by the taxpayer?

melekalikimaka · 21-10-2015 07:41PM

end of the road wrote: »

i will never give up and its never over until full discrimination in any form toards travelers is banished to the history books as it more or less has been for other groups. i've been on this thread giving opinions and facts. its not my fault if people don't like them.

you have given poor opinion and zero facts but lets not let that get in the way of a highly amusing fall from grace

Barry Badrinath · 21-10-2015 07:45PM

end of the road wrote: »

they should not be greatful to get what they are entitled to. if they don't want it or there is a feud, they can be moved somewhere else. you will except it.

If I lived in a council house and didnt like my neighbour, am I entitled to be housed somewhere else that suits me at the tax payers expense?

If theres nowhere suitable, will they spend thousands of Euro on temporary accommodation for me while they refurbish or build me a bespoke one?

gandalf · 21-10-2015 07:48PM

end of the road wrote: »

i will never give up and its never over until full discrimination in any form toards travelers is banished to the history books as it more or less has been for other groups.

I can't help it but I get a mental image of you standing in front of the mirror saying this in a movie trailer voice over style

end of the road · 21-10-2015 07:50PM

katydid wrote: »

Given that they can afford top of the range cars, weddings and communions, there should be much better oversight of whether or really can't afford to pay for their own accommodation. But, assuming they are found to be genuinely in need, they are entitled to accommodation. Full stop.

Not accommodation that they like, near people they like. They are entitled to a roof over their heads. No more.

Can you give me a good reason why we should pander to their wishes for specific accommodation to be provided to them by the taxpayer?

they are entitled to accommodation that meets their needs, and if there is a feud between families those families must be separated for the greater good. anyone who wants feuding families put together is a facilitator of such feuds.

melekalikimaka wrote: »

you have given poor opinion and zero facts but lets not let that get in the way of a highly amusing fall from grace

there has been no fall from grace for me.

Wolf Hanssen wrote: »

If I lived in a council house and didnt like my neighbour, am I entitled to be housed somewhere else that suits me at the councils expense?

if you not liking your neighbour results in a situation where garda resources have to be brought in to keep you separate, then yes

MysticalRain · 21-10-2015 07:51PM

end of the road, will you kindly do the decent thing and apologise for your despicable remarks calling for lethal force to be used against unarmed, peaceful, Irish citizens.

I'm finding it hard to believe that you haven't been reprimanded by the mods already for legitimising violence. FFS, if this was a bunch of Irish water or anti-war protestors you would be singing a different tune.

melekalikimaka · 21-10-2015 07:51PM

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foggy_lad · 21-10-2015 07:51PM

katydid wrote: »

How do you known that "most people move out"? What evidence do you have?

If scrap build up in gardens, the council should do something about it.

THe council can't keep taking away scrap as it builds up! travellers do not have any special permissions to turn their halting sites into mini scrapyards but they usually do just that. and I don't know anyone who would not do everything in their power to move if such unruly anti social behaviour was going on in their estate/locale whether it be travellers or others who were responsible.

end of the road wrote: »

i will never give up and its never over until full discrimination in any form toards travelers is banished to the history books as it more or less has been for other groups. i've been on this thread giving opinions and facts. its not my fault if people don't like them.

if there is a feud between families then they should not be housed on any site where there is members of the opposing family.

So you don't want travellers treated any different to everyone else! Ok then why don't we start locking them up for littering and illegal burning of waste and the many other issues they bring upon themselves with their "culture". Treat travellers the exact same as others would be treated!

Travellers know that it is illegal to steal copper from building sites and seemingly abandoned houses but that is one of their revenue streams, they know it is illegal to light fires and burn the plastic off copper cabling but they still do it, they know that moving a horse or three onto land that does not belong to them is illegal but they still do it, they know that moving into a place they do not own and camping there is also illegal but that is exactly what they do.

Are they imbeciles or feeble minded? They all know what is right and wrong yet they chose the unlawful path more often, is this part of the awful discrimination you speak so much of?

A traveller that I went to school with many years ago told me one day when I asked would his family not live in an estate "your ways are not our ways and your laws will never be our laws".

Eutow · 21-10-2015 07:52PM

end of the road wrote: »

they should not be greatful to get what they are entitled to. if they don't want it or there is a feud, they can be moved somewhere else. you will except it.

Well, you are not in government or on a council, so no, nobody has to follow what you say. Evidently, the residents didn't accept it, and did what they had to do, peacefully as well.

Barry Badrinath · 21-10-2015 07:53PM

end of the road wrote: »

if you not liking your neighbour results in a situation where garda resources have to be brought in to keep you separate, then yes

Really? Thats deadly! Have you evidence of that?

Also, sure why would that need arise if I am no trouble to anyone?

melekalikimaka · 21-10-2015 07:56PM

end of the road wrote: »

there has been no fall from grace for me.

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bajer101 · 21-10-2015 08:00PM

This is Pavee Point's response to today's decision.

http://www.paveepoint.ie/dismay-at-rockville-drive-outcome/

Quotes from this statement have been reported in the mainstream media, affording Pavee Point their legitimate right to have their side heard, but there has been precious little media time given to the resident's side of the story. But thankfully, due to social media, such as this thread, differing opinions are allowed to be voiced and heard. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of this particular case, as a taxpayer who helps fund Pavee Point (and a lot more Traveller facilities besides), I would like my opinion to be heard. Hell - I would be happy enough to even just be allowed to voice it!

Martin Collins did get one thing right in his statement however:

This situation is a sad indictment of our society and raises issues that need to be urgently addressed.

The Talking Bread · 21-10-2015 08:05PM

end of the road wrote: »

they are entitled to accommodation that meets their needs, and if there is a feud between families those families must be separated for the greater good. anyone who wants feuding families put together is a facilitator of such feuds.

there has been no fall from grace for me.

if you not liking your neighbour results in a situation where garda resources have to be brought in to keep you separate, then yes

I need a 5 bed country house. Can I get that. They dont NEED to live in campsites. In fact its a highly backward and unhealthy lifestyle

colm_mcm · 21-10-2015 08:12PM

Needs ≠ wants

Spanish Eyes · 21-10-2015 08:15PM

End of the Road is a plant and a troll. I don't mind if the mods give me a day's ban or more for saying this, but anyone, anyone who says those who with opposing views will be dealt with by lethal force is for the birds.

Mod Your wish is my command. Banned. Don't call people trolls on thread, report it.

katydid · 21-10-2015 08:18PM

end of the road wrote: »

they are entitled to accommodation that meets their needs, and if there is a feud between families those families must be separated for the greater good. anyone who wants feuding families put together is a facilitator of such feuds.

If people can't get on with family or neighbours, they either have to learn to get on, or figure out a way to live away from them. It's not their right to demand accommodation that facilitates their social interaction with family members.

The NEED is for a roof over their heads. The rest are wishes and demands. They are not - or should not be - entitled to have wishes and demands pandered to.

If they feud and create problems for others, it's up to the gardaí to deal with it and bring the people before the appropriate authorities.

play it again · 21-10-2015 08:18PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

End of the Road is a plant and a troll. I don't mind if the mods give me a day's ban or more for saying this, but anyone, anyone who says those who with opposing views will be dealt with by lethal force is for the birds.

100 percent agree ,it does absolutely nothing for this thread

end of the road · 21-10-2015 08:25PM

MysticalRain wrote: »

end of the road, will you kindly do the decent thing and apologise for your despicable remarks calling for lethal force to be used against unarmed, peaceful, Irish citizens.

I'm finding it hard to believe that you haven't been reprimanded by the mods already for legitimising violence. FFS, if this was a bunch of Irish water or anti-war protestors you would be singing a different tune.

i can't apologise for something i haven't done. i haven't legitimized any violence. withdraw the allegation.

foggy_lad wrote: »

why don't we start locking them up for littering and illegal burning of waste and the many other issues they bring upon themselves with their "culture". Treat travellers the exact same as others would be treated!

we are doing that. travelers are locked up for breaking the law. not everyone who should be locked up is but thats up to the government to build the needed prison spaces to ensure everyone who needs locking up can be

foggy_lad wrote: »

Travellers know that it is illegal to steal copper from building sites and seemingly abandoned houses but that is one of their revenue streams, they know it is illegal to light fires and burn the plastic off copper cabling but they still do it, they know that moving a horse or three onto land that does not belong to them is illegal but they still do it, they know that moving into a place they do not own and camping there is also illegal but that is exactly what they do.

yes, people break the law in all walks of life. they know its illegal but do it anyway. which is why the government need to ensure the resources and prison spaces are availible

bajer101 wrote: »

http://www.paveepoint.ie/dismay-at-rockville-drive-outcome/

pavee point are absolutely on the button here. martin collins is absolutely right about local authorities not being able to enforce their authority

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I need a 5 bed country house. Can I get that. They dont NEED to live in campsites. In fact its a highly backward and unhealthy lifestyle

those still taking part in nomadic traditions clearly need basic facilities yes. whether you like that or not means nothing.

21-10-2015 08:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

the residents caused the disruption and upset by blockading a site, so the council if they were forced to pay such compensation could find some way to only pay in trickles. fiver here and a fiver there per resident. would take years to pay in full but it wouldn't cause any major inconvenience to them

as they are entitled to it by law, they should not be greatful.[/QUOTE]

ah yes, 'entitled' ....an excuse for someone not to get off their own backside and provide for themselves and their family.

And yes, they should be damn well grateful. Loads more people made homeless have not had the council bending over backwards for them.

Residents object to temporary halting site

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