Gay cousins should be allowed to marry

Chimichangas · 21-10-2015 06:28AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

But it's not the same. Gay people can't reproduce naturally.

Problem with equality... It's blind to difference.

Dont tell me we are looking to re-run the marriage equality issue? :eek:
But i suppose if we got it wrong...:rolleyes:

GerardKeating · 21-10-2015 06:31AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

The whois who of who you can legally marry :
There's some odd ones in the "by affinity" category

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/getting_married/legal_prerequisites_for_marriage.html

List might need an update, based on this a man may not marry his Mother or sister but can marry his father or brother...

mickoneill31 · 21-10-2015 06:58AM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

If heterosexual couples can't marry their cousins then neither should gay couples. Marriage is marriage and it should be the same rules for all. That was the point of the marriage referendum, to have equality and no more of the 'their marriage is different to ours', as was the case with civil partnership. I think this is quite an irresponsible statement from Senator Norris.

Good point. Heterosexual cousins can marry in Ireland. It's a non story.

Hunchback · 21-10-2015 07:10AM

As a gay man I believe the campaign was premised on marriage EQUALITY and so is the forthcoming legislation which provides that two people can enter into marriage without Distinction as to their sex and therefore given that marriage between a brother and sister is prohibited in marriage as it currently stands it would not be tenable between two siblings the same gender as to do so would be to allow preferential treatment to same sex marriages and go against the principle of equality

efb · 21-10-2015 07:12AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

I stopped paying any attention to this waste of resources and taxpayers money during his ridiculous attempt at becoming president and subsequent articles in papers where he bragged about swanning around the world for years at the expense of the taxpayer doing absolutely nothing but being treated like a Queen.

I hate people that swan around at the expense of the taxpayer...

Most of the guff in those articles were bull and papers (herald abs sun had to issue apologies)

efb · 21-10-2015 07:13AM

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

As a gay man I believe the campaign was premised on marriage EQUALITY and so is the forthcoming legislation which provides that two people can enter into marriage without Distinction as to their sex and therefore given that marriage between a brother and sister is prohibited in marriage as it currently stands it would not be tenable between two siblings the same gender as to do so would be to allow preferential treatment to same sex marriages and go against the principle of equality

No one is arguing that point

DeadHand · 21-10-2015 08:30AM

Martial9 wrote: »

And writing up references for paedophiles on Seanad headed paper. An odious little creep.

... And waxed lyrical on the joys of pedophilia in a magazine article. Specifically, he claimed there was "something to be said for" the Ancient Greek practice of sodomising underage boys.

Was he anything but a liberal and media darling he'd have been hounded out of public life long ago.

mickoneill31 · 21-10-2015 08:37AM

DeadHand wrote: »

... And waxed lyrical on the joys of pedophilia in a magazine article. Specifically, he claimed there was "something to be said for" the Ancient Greek practice of sodomising underage boys.

I wasn't aware of that. That's interesting. Have you got a link to that. I was aware about the controversy alright but didnt know about your bit in the quote above.

efb · 21-10-2015 08:37AM

DeadHand wrote: »

... And waxed lyrical on the joys of pedophilia in a magazine article. Specifically, he claimed there was "something to be said for" the Ancient Greek practice of sodomising underage boys.

Was he anything but a liberal and media darling he'd have been hounded out of public life long ago.

She never released those tapes, the restaurant critic...

drunkmonkey · 21-10-2015 08:40AM

Thread needs a pole asking did you know you can marry your first cousin?

Funny seeing comments on Facebook etc, feckin gays want to marry everything etc. People in disbelief they want the right to marry their cousin.
If gays voted to keep their right not to marry your cousin they'd have one up on straight marriage.

seamus · 21-10-2015 09:37AM

Martial9 wrote: »

It is a fecking huge problem. Forty percent of traveller marriages are between cousins and it causes huge health problems for their offspring. It is extremely common with British Pakistanis too and again the offspring suffer.

Whether the higher rate of health issues is down to cousin marriage or other group-inherent defects is actually still a matter of much debate. Like the issues they have in Iceland with a small population, "closed" groups of people mean that genetic variation across the population is lower than across larger ones, and thus the odds of two "unrelated" people presenting with similar genetic defects is higher.
This is a possible explanation for the issues that travellers and UK Pakistanis encounter.

What's known is that continuous generations of cousins marrying can present problems further down the line, but the actual odds of an individual cousin pairing producing problems is very small, especially if there's no significant genetic relationship between their own sets of parents.

In short, I don't buy the genetic argument, and I don't think it should be enshrined in law. Not without proper sets of studies and statistics proving that it causes serious issues in a short space of time (i.e. between 1 and 3 generations). Not least the fact that it's moronic making it illegal to marry when we already established that marrying and having children are mutually exclusive. So a marital ban won't stop it happening.

drunkmonkey · 21-10-2015 09:59AM

From reading up on it, it's pretty common just not across the western world. It was a way to keep wealth in families and is encouraged in a lot of Muslim country's, over 50% of Indian Muslims do it. It doesn't add much to birth defects contrary what we were brought up to believe.
Would have never even dreamed of chasing a cousin as the baby might end up with 2 heads and 4 legs, was this thought to us in school as a lot of people's first reaction is hell no.

21-10-2015 10:20AM

Muir wrote: »

ban them from availing of that type of procreation for the same reason that straight cousins aren't allowed get married.

What reasons are those, and where is it exactly that they can not marry?

drunkmonkey wrote: »

completely screwing with the gene pool.

What is? And how?

Samaris wrote: »

Same for siblings in that very rare circumstance (generally when raised separately) - albeit they should probably agree to sterilisation, given the major issues.

What issues exactly?

efb · 21-10-2015 10:21AM

Sterilisation like Turing??? That ended well

biko · 21-10-2015 10:53AM

First cousins should not be allowed to marry at all, gay or not.
#genetics

Muir · 21-10-2015 11:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What reasons are those, and where is it exactly that they can not marry?

Sorry, when I posted first I was going off what was said in the first post and thought heterosexual cousins couldn't get married. My point is more regarding the argument that a gay couple who are blood related should be allowed to married (where a heterosexual couple of same relation aren't allowed) because they can't have children that are biologically theirs - I was saying it's likely that they will be able to have a child that is biologically there's someday so it's not a good argument for allowing consanguineous marriage for gay couples.

donegaLroad · 21-10-2015 11:24AM

biko wrote: »

First cousins should not be allowed to marry at all, gay or not.
#genetics

I heard that the risk of deformity is higher again for second cousins who have children together.

alcaline · 21-10-2015 11:35AM

David Norris he is a bit of a pervert for even thinking this. If he thinks this is acceptable, imagine what filth must be going on in his head that he won't say in public.

efb · 21-10-2015 11:37AM

donegaLroad wrote: »

I heard that the risk of deformity is higher again for second cousins who have children together.

Second cousins are NOT allowed marry

frostyjacks · 21-10-2015 11:42AM

alcaline wrote: »

David Norris he is a bit of a pervert for even thinking this. If he thinks this is acceptable, imagine what filth must be going on in his head that he won't say in public.

He's already on public record about the sort of thing he's into.

Lux23 · 21-10-2015 11:44AM

Cousins are allowed to marry anyway, no legal impediment?

alcaline · 21-10-2015 12:00PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

He's already on public record about the sort of thing he's into.

The D4 Liberal media and PC mob hold him in high esteem, says a lot about them don't you think.

mickoneill31 · 21-10-2015 12:08PM

efb wrote: »

Second cousins are NOT allowed marry

By who?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/getting_married/legal_prerequisites_for_marriage.html

arayess · 21-10-2015 12:13PM

alcaline wrote: »

The D4 Liberal media and PC mob hold him in high esteem, says a lot about them don't you think.

well it does , shower of hypocrites

If Fianna Fail man who writes a letter of support for any criminal or local toerag in the country is hung from a post in the media, forced to grove and has Mickey Martin frown, furrow his brow on tv while scolding them.

yet Norris writes a letter on Seanad Paper supporting his ex Boyfriend convicted of riding a 15year old and gets off with a days news in the media and keeps his seat for the most heinous of abuses of power.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/31/david-norris-ireland-mercy-letter

fizzypish · 21-10-2015 12:47PM

This is great. Let em marry. I think you should marry what/whoever you want. Dogs, cats, lampposts... It brilliant. The population problem will solve itself inside 4 generations.

sassyj · 21-10-2015 01:06PM

alcaline wrote: »

David Norris he is a bit of a pervert for even thinking this. If he thinks this is acceptable, imagine what filth must be going on in his head that he won't say in public.

What about the fact that it is actually lawful for cousins to marry, how does talking about cousins getting married make him a pervert, is just because he is a "dirty gay".

alcaline · 21-10-2015 01:08PM

sassyj wrote: »

What about the fact that it is actually lawful for cousins to marry, how does talking about cousins getting married make him a pervert, is just because he is a "dirty gay".

He has form, see the letter in support of a rapist.

recylingbin · 21-10-2015 01:09PM

I was wondering what happened to David Norris. Haven't heard a word from him since he argued so vehemently to keep his cushy number in the Seanad.

sassyj · 21-10-2015 01:20PM

alcaline wrote: »

He has form, see the letter in support of a rapist.

But how is he "a pervert for even thinking this" about gay cousins marrying, when it is in fact perfectly legal in Ireland for opposite sex couples already?

Hitchens · 21-10-2015 01:22PM

sassyj wrote: »

But how is he "a pervert for even thinking this" about gay cousins marrying, when it is in fact perfectly legal in Ireland for opposite sex couples already?

So would that not mean it will automatically be the same for gay couples?

Gay cousins should be allowed to marry

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