Gay cousins should be allowed to marry

Hitchens

.......says David Norris

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/david-norris-says-gay-cousins-should-be-allowed-to-marry-1.2399232

why are they not allowed, what difference would it make? .....strange!

5starpool

Why isn't he arguing for gay brothers (or sisters) then? Same argument from his side.

The_Valeyard

There are plenty of people to choose from to fall in love with, why cousins?

Although would make the guest list at the wedding very handy!!

kneemos

How often are two cousins going to be gay and want to marry?

Dr.Internet

Senator Norris says gay cousins should be allowed to marry. It doesn't have the genetic implications, but with people self identifying their gender, a female and male cousin could marry each other if they both identify as the same sex.

It's a slippery slope

http://www.thejournal.ie/david-norris-gay-cousins-2400629-Oct2015/

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

kneemos wrote: »

How often are two cousins going to be gay and want to marry?

Ever been to Dundalk?

seamus

Dr.Internet wrote: »

Senator Norris says gay cousins should be allowed to marry. It doesn't have the genetic implications, but with people self identifying their gender, a female and male cousin could marry each other if they both identify as the same sex.

It's a slippery slope

http://www.thejournal.ie/david-norris-gay-cousins-2400629-Oct2015/

Hate to break it to you, but female and male cousins can already marry.

Don't see the issue here tbh.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Dr.Internet wrote: »

Senator Norris says gay cousins should be allowed to marry. It doesn't have the genetic implications, but with people self identifying their gender, a female and male cousin could marry each other if they both identify as the same sex.

It's a slippery slope

http://www.thejournal.ie/david-norris-gay-cousins-2400629-Oct2015/

What's the significance of their gender?

Lucifer MorningStar

Hitchens wrote: »

.......says David Norris

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/david-norris-says-gay-cousins-should-be-allowed-to-marry-1.2399232

why are they not allowed, what difference would it make? .....strange!

How is it strange ? It's still incest

Saipanne

Lucifer MorningStar wrote: »

How is it strange ? It's still incest

I thought that is direct siblings?

Hitchens

Lucifer MorningStar wrote: »

How is it strange ? It's still incest

that's an interesting observation

The_Valeyard

Lucifer MorningStar wrote: »

How is it strange ? It's still incest

As a matter of interest, have you been following the tv show Dominion?

Dr.Internet

seamus wrote: »

Hate to break it to you, but female and male cousins can already marry.

Don't see the issue here tbh.

Sh11t!!

Is this what norris is being paid for then, going about canvassing to legalise things that are already legal?


How much is he on?

Lucifer MorningStar

Saipanne wrote: »

I thought that is direct siblings?

Still to close imo

GLaDOS

Mod: Two threads merged

Dr.Internet

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

What's the significance of their gender?

oh noes, do you perceive me as having used an incorrect term?

Call the social justice police

Magico Gonzalez

All 10 of them, sure let them at it.

What harm to the rest of us, or is someone going to pronounce that the fabric of society is going to be torn down and replaced with godless mayhem because some larrup is banging the life out of his/her cousin.

Sure while there's no kids involved, let them go forth and wire into each other.

Ps..you'd be worried if you were his cousin ! (Joke, just a joke!)

Fr_Dougal

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Mod: Two threads merged

In holy matrimony.

Gbear

If you can't show why a practice would affect anyone else's life (apart from hurting their poor ickle feelings) then you really need to ask yourself why you give a ****.

If the answer that you come up with is that you're a nosy ****, you're probably correct.

That_Guy

"I tell you, I won't live in a town that robs men of the right to marry their cousins!"

The_Valeyard

That_Guy wrote: »

"I tell you, I won't live in a town that robs men of the right to marry their cousins!"

Because they're so attractive. I... I thought that was the whole point of this journey.

seamus

Dr.Internet wrote: »

Sh11t!!

Is this what norris is being paid for then, going about canvassing to legalise things that are already legal?


How much is he on?

Ah, I see what's going on. Some numpty has taken this opportunity to place a ban on cousins marrying even though genetically it's not a problem.

Norris is arguing that this is pointless in the context of gay marriage. I agree on logic, but on principle it makes a mockery of the idea of marriage equality. What's good for the goose needs to be good for the gander and I see no reason why special exemptions need to exist for any sexuality.

In any case there will be other...um...interest groups who will be very opposed to a ban on cousins marrying, so I expect this to be removed from the bill.

Rhyme

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

In holy matrimony.

If you created your account in 2012 with that username for this moment, it was worth the wait.

Kev_2012

...

mikeym

Lets have another Referendum

The Randy Riverbeast

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Mod: Two threads merged

They warned us about this, first men marrying men, now threads. Children should not be raised by 2 threads from the same forum. It's unnatural.

Paramite Pie

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

In holy matrimony.

Well the thread topics are related....:pac:

major bill

Thought you had to get special permission off the Pope to marry your cousin?? :pac:

Massimo Cassagrande

I've no idea who Gay Cousins is, but fair fecks to him and who is anyone to say the chap can't marry?. Sure they let Gay Byrne get hitched without so much as a whisper of dissent and proper order too.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Dr.Internet wrote: »

oh noes, do you perceive me as having used an incorrect term?

Call the social justice police

No, i perveived you as hsving a reason, hence the question.

NachoBusiness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE

KungPao

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Deliverance banjo kid

Fun fact: He works in Walmart now and is struggling financially.

Isn't that fun?

Martial9

seamus wrote: »

Ah, I see what's going on. Some numpty has taken this opportunity to place a ban on cousins marrying even though genetically it's not a problem.

It is a fecking huge problem. Forty percent of traveller marriages are between cousins and it causes huge health problems for their offspring. It is extremely common with British Pakistanis too and again the offspring suffer.

Medical data previously suggested that while British Pakistanis were responsible for 3 per cent of all births, they accounted for 30 per cent of British children born with a genetic illness.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/almost-two-in-every-five-traveller-marriages-are-between-cousins-26231063.html

sassyj

major bill wrote: »

Thought you had to get special permission off the Pope to marry your cousin?? :pac:

That has nothing to do with the law of the land though. It is perfectedly legal to marry your first cousin in Ireland. I know of first cousins who are married, with healthy kids. Didn't know each other growing up.

KungPao

No cousins or other family members should be allowed to marry or have kids. It's weird, and we Irish are inbred enough without more in family sexy time shenanigans.

drunkmonkey

seamus wrote: »

Hate to break it to you, but female and male cousins can already marry.

Don't see the issue here tbh.

No they feckin can't, if they could Norris wouldn't have even said it as we now have marriage equality.
You can not marry anyone who is related by blood or marriage.

Muir

It could create a problem in future. Science is working on ways that make it possible for gay couples to have a child that is genetically theirs so if you allow gay cousins to marry you might then later have to ban them from availing of that type of procreation for the same reason that straight cousins aren't allowed get married.

_Whimsical_

The whois who of who you can legally marry :
There's some odd ones in the "by affinity" category

Consanguinity – blood relationships

A man may not marry his:

Grandmother
Mother
Father’s sister (aunt)
Mother’s sister (aunt)
Sister
Father’s Daughter (half sister)
Mother’s Daughter (half sister)
Daughter
Son’s Daughter (granddaughter)
Daughter’s Daughter (granddaughter)
Brother’s Daughter (niece)
Sister’s Daughter (niece)

A woman may not marry her:

Grandfather
Father.
Father’s Brother (uncle)
Mother’s Brother (uncle)
Brother
Father’s Son (half brother)
Mother’s Son (half brother)
Son
Son’s Son (grandson)
Daughter’s Son (grandson)
Brother’s Son (nephew)
Sister’s Son (nephew)

Affinity – relationship by marriage

A man may not marry his:

Grandfather’s Wife (step-grandmother)
Father’s Wife (stepmother)
Father’s Brother’s Wife
Mother’s Brother’s Wife
Son’s Wife
Son’s Son’s Wife
Daughter’s Son’s Wife
Brother’s Son’s Wife
Sister’s Son’s Wife
Wife’s grandmother (grandmother-in-law)
Wife’s Mother (mother-in-law)
Wife’s Father’s Sister
Wife’s Mother’s Sister
Wife’s Daughter (stepdaughter)
Wife’s Son’s Daughter
Wife’s Daughter’s Daughter
Wife’s Brother’s Daughter
Wife’s Sister’s Daughter

A woman may not marry her:

Grandmother’s Husband (step-grandfather)
Mother’s Husband (stepfather)
Father’s Sister’s Husband
Mother’s Sister’s Husband
Daughter’s Husband
Son’s Daughter’s Husband
Daughter’s Daughter’s Husband
Brother’s Daughter’s Husband
Sister’s Daughter’s Husband
Husband’s Grandfather (grandfather-in-law)
Husband’s Father (father-in-law)
Husband’s Father’s Brother
Husband’s Mother’s Brother
Husband’s Son (stepson)
Husband’s Son’s Son
Husband’s Daughter’s Son
Husband’s Brother’s Son
Husband’s Sister’s Son

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/getting_married/legal_prerequisites_for_marriage.html

drunkmonkey

That will be banned here and people who are created that way should be tattooed on their forehead or something that's completely screwing with the gene pool. Horrible science. The stuff of Frankenstein movies.

efb

Straight cousins can marry, non story.

Muir

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That will be banned here and people who are created that way should be tattooed on their forehead or something that's completely screwing with the gene pool. Horrible science. The stuff of Frankenstein movies.

I'm not even sure of you're being serious or sarcastic but I would see it as being very similar to using IVF and surrogacy, because that's essentially what it is.

drunkmonkey

Muir wrote: »

I'm not even sure of you're being serious or sarcastic but I would see it as being very similar to using IVF and surrogacy, because that's essentially what it is.

I'm not sure you know what it is, it will take 2 gay men genes for example and turn those into a baby with no woman involved, the female will only be used as a carrier. That becomes legal here and I'm moving the family to Russsia, it's one step to far.

Muir

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'm not sure you know what it is, it will take 2 gay men genes for example and turn those into a baby with no woman involved, the female will only be used as a carrier. That becomes legal here and I'm moving the family to Russsia, it's one step to far.

Yes, I know exactly what it is - they likely will someday be able to create an embryo from the cells of two males and use a surrogate or two females and not need a surrogate. I don't see that as any different to IVF or surrogacy for straight people. However, our opinions on that are for another thread. Fact is that it will likely happen someday. Even though cousins can marry, the fact that this will probably be an option in the future means that if there are genetic reasons for not allowing straight people to marry, they should still hold for gay people (though it doesn't apply for cousins anyway).

drunkmonkey

Can someone show me where it's ok to marry your cousin just because your straight?

Muir

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can someone show me where it's ok to marry your cousin just because your straight?

_Whimsical_ posted the list & link a few posts ago.

drunkmonkey

Muir wrote: »

_Whimsical_ posted the list & link a few posts ago.

Yup see it.

i'm wowed that's legal in such a small place.
If it's already legal think we should maybe ban it for everybody, didn't do me any harm not marrying my first cousin.

Is it common?

jamesbere

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yup see it.

i'm wowed that's legal in such a small place.
If it's already legal think we should maybe ban it for everybody, didn't do me any harm not marrying my first cousin.

Is it common?

I don't know anyone who has married their cousin. I don't personally have a problem with someone else doing it, but I wouldn't do it myself. Just too weird.

Billy86

What is this, Shelbyville?

P_1

The taboo pertaining to cousins marrying is all down to the potential genetic deformities of any potential offspring. As it is biologically impossible for such potential issues arising from a male, or indeed, female couple I see no reason why such a marriage should be illegal. It might lead to some weird looking family trees down the line but that's the only potential issue I can see

endacl

kneemos wrote: »

How often are two cousins going to be gay and want to marry?

Depends. Which two cousins?

:pac:

Kiwi in IE

If heterosexual couples can't marry their cousins then neither should gay couples. Marriage is marriage and it should be the same rules for all. That was the point of the marriage referendum, to have equality and no more of the 'their marriage is different to ours', as was the case with civil partnership. I think this is quite an irresponsible statement from Senator Norris.