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    #92
    efb
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    awec wrote: »
    That wasn't even a penalty?

    What a crock of absolute shit once again.

    Blah blah blah contact sport... Blah play physical


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    #93
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    yeah , flatten. same way you would try and flatten someone in a tackle. its just slang.
    id so the same in gaa. you are jumping with the objective to catch the ball but with the added criteria of not coming off second best physically.

    same in soccer. i slide in to get the ball, but make sure the man gets minced too ( within the law)

    How can you mince someone within the law??? Reckless challenge is an offence


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    #94
    wp_rathead
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    Hopefully America manage to get themselves a try


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    #95
    nehe milner skudder
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    efb wrote: »
    If I was ref you would walk

    never heard the phrase "man and ball" ?

    i am not talking about doing anything out of the ordinary. happens in every game. I've never been sanctioned in any sport- genuinely.


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    #96
    nehe milner skudder
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    efb wrote: »
    How can you mince someone within the law??? Reckless challenge is an offence

    an over zealous meaty challenge.


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    #97
    AbusesToilets
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    Ref favoring the Boks with most of the rucks, letting them get away with a lot of spoiling on the deck.


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    #98
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    never heard the phrase "man and ball" ?

    i am not talking about doing anything out of the ordinary. happens in every game. I've never been sanctioned in any sport- genuinely.

    Well then you are all talk imho - or played at a level that these things weren't clamped down on


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    #99
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    an over zealous meaty challenge.

    Off!


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    #100
    Moflojo
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    stadedublinois wrote: »
    I think it was because of the ref's question. If he had said yes or no, would it have been given?

    Good point. A lot of the refs in this world cup seem to be bowing to the opinion of the TMO, even if they can see it on the big screen themselves.

    There appear to be only two referees that are confident enough to overrule the TMO and go with their own gut. One of those is Nigel Owens. The other, dare I say it, is Wayne Barnes (for better or worse).


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    #101
    RedemptionZ
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    Habana/Scully incident handled well by the ref. His eyes were on the ball and he was bloody close to getting that ball. How are you supposed to compete for your own kick if you're given a yellow for that? Just because it's been given before doesn't mean it was the right call.


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    #102
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    never heard the phrase "man and ball" ?

    i am not talking about doing anything out of the ordinary. happens in every game. I've never been sanctioned in any sport- genuinely.

    Just because you get the ball doesn't give you a carte Blanche to clear out the man


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    #103
    Moflojo
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    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    Habana/Scully incident handled well by the ref. His eyes were on the ball and he was bloody close to getting that ball. How are you supposed to compete for your own kick if you're given a yellow for that? Just because it's been given before doesn't mean it was the right call.

    This game's not being played in a vacuum though - we've seen similar, and less dangerous, incidents in the past 12 months resulting yellow and red cards. This incident didn't even result in a penalty? To my mind the Habana challenge was identical to Jared Payne's red card for Ulster. Identical. One results in a red card. The other receives no sanction whatsoever, not even a penalty.


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    #104
    stadedublinois
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    Moflojo wrote: »
    Good point. A lot of the refs in this world cup seem to be bowing to the opinion of the TMO, even if they can see it on the big screen themselves.

    There appear to be only two referees that are confident enough to overrule the TMO and go with their own gut. One of those is Nigel Owens. The other, dare I say it, is Wayne Barnes (for better or worse).

    In fairness, it was so tight the TMO was best placed to make the decision


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    #105
    efb
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    Moflojo wrote: »
    Good point. A lot of the refs in this world cup seem to be bowing to the opinion of the TMO, even if they can see it on the big screen themselves.

    There appear to be only two referees that are confident enough to overrule the TMO and go with their own gut. One of those is Nigel Owens. The other, dare I say it, is Wayne Barnes (for better or worse).

    The TMO can see multi angles


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    #106
    RedemptionZ
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    never heard the phrase "man and ball" ?

    i am not talking about doing anything out of the ordinary. happens in every game. I've never been sanctioned in any sport- genuinely.

    No room for that in rugby, disgusting attitude to have tbh. I've come across plenty of players like you, concussions or neck injuries are no joke. Luckily for players nowadays malicious plays like that are being clamped down on. You could get away with that kind carry on in a lower impact sport perhaps, but in rugby playing like that equals career ending injuries and concussions, for both you and the person at the receiving end.


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    #107
    wp_rathead
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    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    Habana/Scully incident handled well by the ref. His eyes were on the ball and he was bloody close to getting that ball. How are you supposed to compete for your own kick if you're given a yellow for that? Just because it's been given before doesn't mean it was the right call.

    It's just about consistency
    I'm not one for conspiracy theories but If the jersey was swapped, Ive a feeling the American Habana would have been sent to the bin


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    #108
    Moflojo
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    stadedublinois wrote: »
    In fairness, it was so tight the TMO was best placed to make the decision

    Agreed, but the TMO didn't make a decision in the end, he made a non-decision:

    "It was 50-50, very hard to call."

    The ref then said "So there's no reason I cannot award the try?"

    And then they both agreed to not make the call.


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    #109
    efb
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    Bored. Off to shop


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    #110
    stadedublinois
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    Moflojo wrote: »
    Agreed, but the TMO didn't make a decision in the end, he made a non-decision:

    "It was 50-50, very hard to call."

    The ref then said "So there's no reason I cannot award the try?"

    And then they both agreed to not make the call.

    That's because the original question was is there any reason not to award the try.


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    #111
    efb
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    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    No room for that in rugby, disgusting attitude to have tbh. I've come across plenty of players like you, concussions or neck injuries are no joke. Luckily for players nowadays malicious plays like that are being clamped down on. You could get away with that kind carry on in a lower impact sport perhaps, but in rugby playing like that equals career ending injuries and concussions, for both you and the person at the receiving end.

    Agreed, people's lives are at stake, paralysis or death isn't funny


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    #112
    nehe milner skudder
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    RedemptionZ wrote: »
    No room for that in rugby, disgusting attitude to have tbh. I've come across plenty of players like you, concussions or neck injuries are no joke. Luckily for players nowadays malicious plays like that are being clamped down on. You could get away with that kind carry on in a lower impact sport perhaps, but in rugby playing like that equals career ending injuries and concussions, for both you and the person at the receiving end.

    in fairness that pertained to soccer in particular. rugby is essentially man and ball all the time by definition.


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    #113
    nehe milner skudder
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    is drew mitchell not up there in these try scoring stakes they keep mentioning?


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    #114
    wp_rathead
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    Bryan Habana equals Jonah Lomu try record
    Great Player


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    #115
    Moflojo
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    stadedublinois wrote: »
    That's because the original question was is there any reason not to award the try.

    The ref also specifically asked if Habana was in front of the kicker. The TMO couldn't decide. Made a non-call.


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    #116
    AbusesToilets
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    When it rains, it pours. Sad to see the Eagles getting hammered, hope they can get a try at least.


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    #117
    efb
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    nehe milner skudder wrote: »
    i dont understand this. i played fullback.
    when a ball went up i wanted to catch the ball AND flatten the other guy.

    its a contact sport.

    You spoke here of your desire to intentionally impact your opponent


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    #118
    stadedublinois
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    Moflojo wrote: »
    This game's not being played in a vacuum though - we've seen similar, and less dangerous, incidents in the past 12 months resulting yellow and red cards. This incident didn't even result in a penalty? To my mind the Habana challenge was identical to Jared Payne's red card for Ulster. Identical. One results in a red card. The other receives no sanction whatsoever, not even a penalty.

    The difference with the Payne incident was that he was still running (barely slowing down) when he made contact.


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    #119
    sullivlo
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    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Bryan Habana equals Jonah Lomu try record
    Great Player

    I really find him really difficult to like.


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    #120
    wp_rathead
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    Moflojo wrote: »
    The ref also specifically asked if Habana was in front of the kicker. The TMO couldn't decide. Made a non-call.

    If it's not clear and obvious I don't see the issue


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    #121
    efb
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    I love the ' contact sport ' carte Blanche defence - even mma has rules to protect the athletes


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