Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Ascii wrote: »

Not a chance...manager needs to be in place for the end of November. He needs to be working with players, getting strength and conditioning programes in place etc.

Anyone that thinks a manager can take over a team that has gone through the FBD and the first few league games does not understand the procedures and planning required for a successful inter county team. By his last two league games he needs to have 12 of his starting championship team in their regular positions and be working on fine tuning them for the first round of the championship. This will not happen if he only takes over in March

Agree with ya there! New manager needs to be in place ASAP!

Ascii wrote: »

On Sat last I was talking to one of the corofin players from last year. Feels the hunger is not as strong as last year in the squad. He feels that if Mountbellew Moylough get the early lead on Sunday next that it could be curtains for the teamt his year. Mount Moy have beaten corofin twice this year in two lesser competitions and wont be a bit afraid of them. Gary sice has pulled Corofin across the line twice this year. Last year they bet milltown 4-16 to 2 points in the semi final last year, this year tuam brought them to a replay in the quarter and in the semi corofin struggled for long parts with Cortoon.

My guess is that Rochford might well be free from Monday morning :-)

Corofin definitely are not as strong as last year. Its very hard for a club to come back after winning an AI. In saying that, it would still be a major upset if Corofin lose to Mountbellew on Sunday.

I'd expect Rochford to see out the championship with Corofin, however far they go. It would reflect awfully badly on him if he just chucked in the job as soon as something better came along. I'd imagine that if Corofin get through Connacht, he will do both Mayo & Corofin for the first couple of months next year

seligehgit wrote: »

Yes I've been hearing much white noise about the possible return of James Horan.I really don't think the time is right for same,I think the players need a new voice and his return at this moment in time would be a retrograde step.

You should never go back! It worked out ok for JBM in Cork. Any other GAA examples where a manager went back and was a success?

John Maughan did ok second time didnt he. This would be a very different scenario to all the aforementioned though...

Rawhead wrote: »

You just appear in the last day and start posting on the mayo thread. All 4 of your posts are digs at the players or the previous management. I think St Patrick might have left more than one poisonous serpent behind him.

I have experience both as a player and coach at a high level. I enjoy going to matches and I can safely say I never slate players post game. I know the commitment and sacrifice that both players and coaches/managers make and I believe that all involved give the best account of themselves on the day. They are partners and neither can be blamed entirely for shortcomings on match day. I believe that it is important that the payers who have the privilege of wearing their much prided county Jersey are people of integrity. These are role models to every aspiring young player in the county. I do feel that if same players were meeting with JH throughout the year that it was not fair to the joint managers and also questions the player's focus. please excuse my negativity but I think this is a mess by anyone's standards

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

For some reason some seem to have it in for this management team since the get go, going back 12 months the McStay/McHale option seemed more favourable to some.

A lot were wary of the joint managers setup, ignoring the fact that the two had worked well together before and that many here lamented that Horan did not have someone on his shoulder to help him out with the big calls.

Then as another poster pointed out people seem to be making it up as they go along when finding ways to show that the management was inept during the Dublin games.

For me this team did as well as I expected this year, and I was going to give them until the end of next year to really judge them.

But if there are real problems under the hood that are holding back the team then yes its time to move on to someone else, but if its just a case of these guys missing Horan then they would have to cop on and fast.

There is a meeting tonight I believe involving player reps, hopefully we will learn something about the reasons behind this from it.

Agreed. Remember speaking to a Mayo girl at the Scotland game in June and she said she hoped they lost so you could get rid of the managers. Maybe she knew a player well or just didnt like the managers.
People using various aspects of the Dublin game as a stick to beat them with such as blaming them for leaving OShea at FF, then blaming them for moving him to midfield. Even at FF with 3 Dublin defenders around him should have left other Mayo players free to exploit.
As for the sweeper system not working they conceded 2-12 the first day which is near enough as low as youre going to keep Dublin to. But you need goals yourself and OShea was their best chance of getting one. But where was COC for the whole game?
After every loss the manager gets slated for "tactical blunders" that cost their team- Fitzmaurice Gavin and even McGuinness have been on the receiving end in the last 2 years not long after being hailed as geniuses.
If the players have no confidence in the mgmt then fair enough they have to go but the main reason they didnt beat Dublin was that the players lacked 1) the skills 2) the football intelligence and 3) the mental strength (or ruthlessness if you'd prefer) to finish Dublin off when on top on 3 seperate occasions over the 2 games.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

People still remember 92.
Going from a team that should have beaten Donegal to get to the final

Dream on. Donegal played shït and still shoulda won by ten points.

Article by Martin Breheny in today's Irish Independent


http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/martin-breheny-it-appears-taking-personal-responsibility-doesnt-arise-but-theres-safety-in-numbers-31589398.html

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Basically Managers have nothing to do with losing games is his article. Even identifies the Kerry game last year as being on players not management. Squarely on Horan n no sweeper that defeat.

Its a silly illogical argument by Breheny. While a manager's influence on the playing field is limited, they are still an influence. They decide what players to leave on the pitch / take off etc. They decide whether to tell a player to go back and play as a sweeper. They can still influence things from the sideline. So to say "Galway led Kilkenny by four points after 27 minutes in this year's hurling final but were out-scored by 0-17 to 0-6 over the next 43 minutes" or "Mayo led Dublin by four points at the three-quarter mark in this year's All-Ireland semi-final, only to be outscored by 3-4 to 0-2 from there on." is wrong. Maybe the manager's not doing anything on the sideline or making the incorrect choices on the sideline contributed to those scorelines.....

Green Tae wrote: »

Rochford on the other hand moulded a very talented Corofin side into what many have called the most attractive, attacking team in the country.

This kinda worries me.
We don't need someone to turn us more attack minded, we need someone to turn us more defense minded.
Our problems over the years, as certain RTE pundits keeps emphasing, is our ability to let teams back into the game by conceding soft goals.
Until that is solved or rectified we haven't a hope in hell of winning AI.

koochie wrote: »

Apparently Horan was having meetings with the players during the year and there is now speculation that he played a pivotal role in the actions taken by the players in the past two weeks.
Come back St Patrick I think you left a very poisonous one behind you!!

Were you also texting into radio stations last week with this kinda stuff about people from outside agencies influencing players ?

mayo.mick wrote: »

Although I'd kinda like Horan back, maybe he's learnt from his mistakes in the recent past? I can't see county board accepting him, would be way too much strain on the finances?

BS.
He learned nothing from 2013 final, because if he had he would have done a hell of a lot different in 2014 semi and replay.

yop wrote: »

I do like him, as an analyst I find absolutely intriguing to listen to and his analysis seems top notch, then I go back to 2013 and remember what happened, I go to 2014, twice, and remember what happened.

Couldn't agree more.

charlie14 wrote: »

From what I`ve seen of Corofin, they are a very attack based team. While the same can be said about Mayo and that the style of football Rochford has Corofin playing I`m not sure it`s a continuation of this style Mayo need to get over the line. A defensive set up to stop the goal leaks has been the Achiles heel under Horan and H&C. My problem is has Rochford got the tactical neus to put a defensive structure in place to stop the goal leaks? Especially as a few established defenders haven`t looked at their best this year.

Spot on.