Brendan Rodgers sacked.

murpho999 · 05-10-2015 11:21AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Hearing a Liverpool fan say they are a big club is like hearing a child saying they are a "big boy" or girl. If they say it enough eventually the parents will give in and say yes they are

Probably the 6th best squad in the league, 5th/6th would be a good season, Rodgers didn't do too badly probably about par, but spent too much doing it. Klopp would be a coup it's suprising he hasn't had a better offer, perfect timing maybe.

Can't stand this rubbish.

So according to your logic in the season of 13/14, Liverpool were a big club whilst your lot became a small club as it finished 7th.

Liverpool, by any definition is a big club, due its history, fanbase, financial position and stature within the game. They look set to recruit Klopp who would be regarded as a big club manager.

Just because the team is struggling for form, does not make it a small club.

05-10-2015 11:35AM

Uh oh, thread descending into "we're a big club" and "ye're not a big club".

Liverpool are behind City, ManU, Arsenal and Chelsea, and ahead of every other club in England. Now whether that means they are teeny or huge is not really the issue, the issue is that they are a club that should be pitching at 5th and anything else is a bonus. If Ancellotti or Klopp is happy to go to the 5th best club in a league and try to improve them, well they may end up there.

monkey9 · 05-10-2015 11:46AM

Aim for 5th? What a strange target.

"Hey guys, let's all aim for 5th spot in the table this season yeah! Go team"

niallo27 · 05-10-2015 11:47AM

quarryman wrote: »

I've been saying exactly that for years now but get attacked on here for anything that correctly points out Liverpool should consider 5th/6th place in the league a good result.

Jamie said it best:

I would consider 5th to be a decent season as long as they put in a good challenge for top 4. Most liverpool fans would be happy with challenging for top 4. Whats wrong with fans being optimistic anyway, whats the point in supporting a team if you dont wish for the best. Your an arsenal fan and im sure you expect arsenal to challenge for the league where in reality they are a 4th place team but there is nothing wrong with you expecting better.

Rayne Wooney · 05-10-2015 11:55AM

When the fans keep having to reiterate reasons why they're a big club it becomes clear that it isn't really the case

You just have to look at Liverpool's squad and see the lack of talent, and an anomaly season aside they have finished behind Spurs 4 of the last 5 seasons.

Will probably take Klopp 2 seasons to build a team that could challenge for top 4, after doing a major overhaul, I'd expect Pool to finish upper mid table until then. That is if he is appointed

Very Bored · 05-10-2015 11:57AM

Liverpool is a big club, of course it is. However, they are also too much of a risk. They haven't won the league in 26, almost certainly going to be 27, years and they haven't won anything of any great importance in ten years. They also don't have the finances to compete with the biggest clubs in their league, certainly not on a consistent basis. A top manager isn't going to stake his reputation on building success at that sort of club. In fact I can't remember when Liverpool have attracted a manager out of the top drawer if ever.

jaykay74 · 05-10-2015 11:58AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I also think klopp and anchiloti are pipe dreams

Isn't anchiloti a type of vegetable?

LiamoSail · 05-10-2015 12:20PM

It's embarrasing the number on here that can't differenciate between a big club and a great team. This thread would have you believe that Crystal Palace are a bigger club than AC Milan

05-10-2015 12:36PM

monkey9 wrote: »

Aim for 5th? What a strange target.

"Hey guys, let's all aim for 5th spot in the table this season yeah! Go team"

Who said they should aim for 5th?

They are the 5th club in England, whatever they aim for, finishing 5th should be seen as round about where they're at. Rodgers had them on course for that.

BorneTobyWilde · 05-10-2015 12:42PM

Rafa aimed to be no1
Hope new manager is not afraid to say it too
Hope he says it's time to get back up on the perch

RayCon · 05-10-2015 01:10PM

Wonder where Rodgers will end up at next ?

tastyt · 05-10-2015 01:13PM

It wouldn't take a huge buyout to release roddy from his contract at Waterford United.

K-9 · 05-10-2015 01:19PM

Its not long ago Liverpool were a big club in Europe, and that's 6 or 7 years ago, not 26. That's what makes them attractive to somebody like Klopp, appeals to his ego.

By the measurement on this thread Arsenal aren't a big club so we're probably talking maybe 7 or 8 clubs in Europe at a push.

Even for the wind up merchants, that's a stretch.

Utopia Parkway · 05-10-2015 01:28PM

Very Bored wrote: »

In fact I can't remember when Liverpool have attracted a manager out of the top drawer if ever.

Benitez? Won the league twice in Spain and a UEFA Cup before he came to Liverpool.

niallo27 · 05-10-2015 01:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who said they should aim for 5th?

They are the 5th club in England, whatever they aim for, finishing 5th should be seen as round about where they're at. Rodgers had them on course for that.

So they should be able to challenge for top 4 but we are told we are delusional to think this.

Nalz · 05-10-2015 01:30PM

K-9 wrote: »

Its not long ago Liverpool were a big club in Europe, and that's 6 or 7 years ago, not 26. That's what makes them attractive to somebody like Klopp, appeals to his ego

Thats it exactly. They're almost like the "sleeping giant" United were in the 70s\80s.

Saipanne · 05-10-2015 01:33PM

Nalz wrote: »

Thats it exactly. They're almost like the "sleeping giant" United were in the 70s\80s.

A deep slumber.

K-9 · 05-10-2015 01:35PM

Nalz wrote: »

Thats it exactly. They're almost like the "sleeping giant" United were in the 70s\80s.

Yeah, very comparable. Europe is the same as is the English league, media exposure, finances and all that.

Rayne Wooney · 05-10-2015 01:38PM

We are talking about the present time, If we are discounting 10 years for Pool then you are inversely saying Chelsea and City aren't big clubs

Liverpool were at one stage, aren't any more

Lovely Bloke · 05-10-2015 01:39PM

Well yeah, Pool are getting on to the 26 years that United had between titles (yeah, I realise that Pool have won the CL in that time, which is the source of some solace) so that is definitely "deep slumbering giant" territory.

I don't think any manager could win the title with the current squad, and it won't be fixed in one window either.

Problem is, Liverpool are competing with the two Manchester teams for players of quality, and both those teams can afford to pay more wages than Liverpool - and both of those teams are in the Champions League - and probably will be next season too, let's face it.

And all three clubs are competing with the London big boys, two of whom are also in the CL.

Pool definitely need a manager like Klopp, working with a lower budget and managing lesser-quality players as a result. At least in the beginning.

Let's not fool ourselves though - the gap between Dortmund and Bayern is not as big as the gap between Liverpool and the 4 clubs in question. It's a different dynamic in Germany, there's Bayern and the rest - with Dortmund in a "best of the rest" situation.

Liverpool are not in that situation.

K-9 · 05-10-2015 01:54PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

We are talking about the present time, If we are discounting 10 years for Pool then you are inversely saying Chelsea and City aren't big clubs

Liverpool were at one stage, aren't any more

Its name recognition, Juve or an Inter will also have it even in lean times by their standard. That's the attraction, to restore them back to CL football regularly again. There's not that many teams in that club! Now, if we were a Celtic or an Ajax, different story because of the way CL has gone.

As seen with Chelsea this year and United last, and how English clubs are getting shown up in Europe, the top 4 is very breakable with the right manager and squad. It definitely isn't as set in stone as 10 years ago.

Harry Palmr · 05-10-2015 01:55PM

Dortmund were certainly not the best of the rest when Klopp took over though. In 2005 they nearly went to the wall and had been slumbering midtable for years

http://int.soccerway.com/national/germany/bundesliga/2005-2006/regular-season/r2182/
http://int.soccerway.com/national/germany/bundesliga/2006-2007/regular-season/r3593/
http://int.soccerway.com/national/germany/bundesliga/2007-2008/regular-season/r5146/

Klopp takes over

http://int.soccerway.com/national/germany/bundesliga/2008-2009/regular-season/r6789/
http://int.soccerway.com/national/germany/bundesliga/2009-2010/regular-season/r8947/
http://int.soccerway.com/national/germany/bundesliga/2010-2011/regular-season/r11840/

Utopia Parkway · 05-10-2015 01:56PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

We are talking about the present time, If we are discounting 10 years for Pool then you are inversely saying Chelsea and City aren't big clubs

Liverpool were at one stage, aren't any more

For someone who thinks Liverpool are not a big club you sure spend a lot of time and effort trying to convince people of the same.

I think by any rational measurement, Liverpool are still a big club and even a wealthy club in global terms but up against a number of clubs within their own league who are even wealthier than they are. Substantially wealthier in fact.

That makes it difficult to consistently get CL football as in effect you have to beat the market year in year out. It's not impossible though as they have done it a few times before and even Spurs did it in 10/11. Doing it consistently is always going to be tough though as the wealthy clubs just get wealthier on the back of CL money creating a viscous circle.

05-10-2015 02:01PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So they should be able to challenge for top 4 but we are told we are delusional to think this.

Who said Liverpool was delusional to aim for a top 4?

Take it up with that poster. I made the point that they are the 5th club in England, so to sack a manager who can get them into 5th, and has got them higher, seems a tad harsh.

FutureGuy · 05-10-2015 02:02PM

niallo27 wrote: »

If they are not a big club why do you spend most of your time on here talking about them.

Haha. Hilarious. Let's have a look at the times when you post in the United match day threads. Every time we drop points. Don't see you anywhere near our threads when things are going well. Shocker.

You only have to look at the pathetic posts from Liverpool fans in the United threads over the last few years to understand how far they have fallen. You don't see the behaviour from City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Leeds fans.

Just Liverpool fans.

Liverpool WERE a big club. Not any more. The only people that fail to realise it are Liverpool fans.

Maybe they will be again but there is nothing to suggest that will happen. Average squad that was constructed from selling the one of the very few world class players ye have had in years. No major talents in the academy. Dried up.

It's hilarious - two years ago I was hoping Liverpool would win the league. But the behaviour of some Liverpool fans here make me very happy to see how the club has fallen.

Klopp and Ancelloti would be mad to take the post. Mad. They are better than Liverpool.

That's not an insult. That's my personal belief.

K-9 · 05-10-2015 02:10PM

Lol, don't take match threads that seriously, we've our share of muppets in ours.

niallo27 · 05-10-2015 02:29PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

Haha. Hilarious. Let's have a look at the times when you post in the United match day threads. Every time we drop points. Don't see you anywhere near our threads when things are going well. Shocker.

You only have to look at the pathetic posts from Liverpool fans in the United threads over the last few years to understand how far they have fallen. You don't see the behaviour from City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Leeds fans.

Just Liverpool fans.

Liverpool WERE a big club. Not any more. The only people that fail to realise it are Liverpool fans.

Maybe they will be again but there is nothing to suggest that will happen. Average squad that was constructed from selling the one of the very few world class players ye have had in years. No major talents in the academy. Dried up.

It's hilarious - two years ago I was hoping Liverpool would win the league. But the behaviour of some Liverpool fans here make me very happy to see how the club has fallen.

Klopp and Ancelloti would be mad to take the post. Mad. They are better than Liverpool.

That's not an insult. That's my personal belief.

Wow that is certainly a big chip you have on your shoulder, i posted on wednesday night when utd won and didnt post anything yesterday when they were hammered.

LiamoSail · 05-10-2015 02:41PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

We are talking about the present time, If we are discounting 10 years for Pool then you are inversely saying Chelsea and City aren't big clubs

Liverpool were at one stage, aren't any more

10 years is obviously a lifetime for yourself (literally, judging by your posts), but for most it takes more than 10 yrs of success to be considered a big club.

City & Chelsea are better sides than the likes of Liverpool, Ajax, Milan etc, and have been for a few years, but they're not bigger clubs. When they sustain their success for a generation, and dominate consistently both in Europe & home, then you might have a point, but right now, despite all those Thierry Henry Greatest league in the world ads you watch, they aren't

Godot. · 05-10-2015 02:44PM

Good luck to Klopp, but he is up against it if he takes on that job. He's at a firm financial disadvantage.

Cantona's Collars · 05-10-2015 02:51PM

https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/651038247875948545

#LFC have made contact with representatives of Jurgen Klopp about the vacant manager's position.

I'm fairly sure they made contact before and were waiting to get an answer before sacking Rodgers.

Brendan Rodgers sacked.

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