Brendan Rodgers sacked.

Ulysses Gaze

bucketybuck wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Or maybe they have been watching football for more than ten minutes and so have a little perspective on the role of the manager and how easy it is to be flavour of the month.

I have no axe to grind with Klopp, if Liverpool are going to get anybody it might as well be him, he can certainly make a good case for himself. But you would think to read posters like you that he was some managerial genius and I'm sorry, but he ain't.

No manager would be an instant success with this Liverpool squad.

SlickRic

bad2dabone wrote: »

From the guardian:

Liverpool are no longer an elite European club. Their recent domestic record is one League Cup since 2006. When a coach of Klopp’s calibre is available, and attracted by the prospect of revitalising a historic club, that club has to act.

I think this is accurate.
I'd be jealous to see him at Liverpool but also intrigued.
His Dortmund teams were exiting and the Man himself is great entertainment and very likeable.

there is nothing there that any sane Liverpool fan can disagree with.

bucketybuck

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

No manager would be an instant success with this Liverpool squad.

Probably not, but some manager could strike gold, things could click and they could go on a run in some competition. Stranger things have happened, just ask Di Matteo.

niallo27

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

No manager would be an instant success with this Liverpool squad.

Depends what you think success is. For me it's top 4 and I think the squad is good enough to challenge.

niallo27

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its seem I cannot have an opinion on a manager without it being dismissed as "partisan" and unfounded. :rolleyes: God forbid I repeat the view of Klopp that I have offered up more than once and long before he ever was linked with Liverpool.

In fairness most posters have replied with the reasons why they disagree with you.

Billy86

Klopp is a very good manager, and would be a perfect fit for Liverpools situation in terms of getting high upside players with a low profile and price tag. But I just really, really do not see him opting to go there myself.

nullzero

SlickRic wrote: »

it's not surprising that many Utd fans are saying Klopp's overrated. it's football tribalism at its least subtle. many can't see a good appointment for what it is when it involves a club they hate.

the narrative in many people's heads is that 'Liverpool are shíte'. Therefore, the extension of that is that they can't get a proven, top quality manager.

i just hope those now denouncing Klopp can even take a second to step back, be objective, and say to themselves that this would be a top quality appointment. you don't have to admit it. you don't have to post it. i wouldn't want you to sully yourself by having to say anything remotely positive about anything Liverpool has done.

I just hope you're honest with yourself, even for a moment.

it'd be sad if your hate was so deep that even that was impossible.

As a United fan I wouldn't be given over to such petty nonsense. I think Rodgers was a manager who over achieved too early in his time at Liverpool and once his star player was sold struggled as anyone would to scale the heights he had reached beforehand. If we are talking about reality checks perhaps it should be noted that it was a combination of poor management by Rodgers (relative to his Heights at the club) as well as diminishing returns from and a reduction in quality of his playing staff.
I'm sure Jurgen Klopp has what it takes to be a success at Liverpool but it will most likely be after having brought in new faces to rejuvenate the side. Klopp had of course been linked with United in the past as LVG had been with Liverpool, football fans come out with some awful nonsense in the name of tribalism as you stated but to expect any manager to succeed immediately at a club with the particular set of issues Liverpool are dealing with right now is not reasonable. I just find it strange that Liverpool chose to sack a manager at the start of October and a top managerial talent would leave his club at the same time, logic has taken a holiday it would seem.

MightyMandarin

Billy86 wrote: »

Klopp is a very good manager, and would be a perfect fit for Liverpools situation in terms of getting high upside players with a low profile and price tag. But I just really, really do not see him opting to go there myself.

What evidence do you have to say that he's not interested? Because everything I've seen from him and his people indicates that he's interested in managing a club of our level.

adox

Billy86 wrote: »

Klopp is a very good manager, and would be a perfect fit for Liverpools situation in terms of getting high upside players with a low profile and price tag. But I just really, really do not see him opting to go there myself.

Who do think will then? I think he's a shoe in for the job and it will be a real coup for Liverpool.

They obviously have some one lined up, with the timing of the Rodgers sacking.

I don't see Ancelloti going there so it looks like Klopp to me.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its seem I cannot have an opinion on a manager without it being dismissed as "partisan" and unfounded. :rolleyes: God forbid I repeat the view of Klopp that I have offered up more than once and long before he ever was linked with Liverpool.

To reinforce this point and show how kneejerk some of the replies are, here are two posts of mine. One from 5 months ago and one from over a year ago.

bucketybuck wrote: »

He seems to be everybody's darling, but I think Klopp is going to flop in his next job. If he goes to Madrid he won't last a year.

In my opinion the word Klopp is used far too much in this thread.

It seems everybody would be delighted to get him, but he would be just as big a gamble as the appointment of Moyes was so I don't really see why people are going on so much about him.

A good comparison would be AVB, a young up and coming manager who achieved success and so was Europes hot property. He then came to England and failed twice, and there is little to suggest that it would be any different with Klopp.

Magico Gonzalez

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its seem I cannot have an opinion on a manager without it being dismissed as "partisan" and unfounded. :rolleyes: God forbid I repeat the view of Klopp that I have offered up more than once and long before he ever was linked with Liverpool.

You can use the rollseyes thing here, or you can chose to offer up a justification for your opinion. I did, other posters did.

God forbid you are called out on your statements....

bucketybuck

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

You can use the rollseyes thing here, or you can chose to offer up a justification for your opinion. I did, other posters did.

God forbid you are called out on your statements....

Your post deserved nothing more than rolling eyes.

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Partisan football chat is often best ignored, it comes from a daft place where crests and team colours blind any kind of objectivity available.

Rayne Wooney

would like to see examples of posters changing their tune just because a player/manager joins a team they don't like

if you are going to call them out on it then you should have something to back it up

Rayne Wooney

LiamoSail wrote: »

10 years is obviously a lifetime for yourself (literally, judging by your posts), but for most it takes more than 10 yrs of success to be considered a big club.

City & Chelsea are better sides than the likes of Liverpool, Ajax, Milan etc, and have been for a few years, but they're not bigger clubs. When they sustain their success for a generation, and dominate consistently both in Europe & home, then you might have a point, but right now, despite all those Thierry Henry Greatest league in the world ads you watch, they aren't

So what you are saying is Liverpool are a bigger club than Chelsea and City?

Interesting opinion you have there

mewe

I'll be honest when I heard talk of Ancellotti for the pool job I thought surely he wouldn't go for that, he'd hold out for a better opportunity with another club that can be up there realistically challenging.

With Klopp I think he's just crazy enough to take it on if rumours are to be believed! If I was a Liverpool fan I'd be delighted if it worked out getting Klopp. Would definitely bring renewed hope where it's badly needed.

With regard to Liverpool being a big club or not, of course historically Liverpool are right up there. I think when we're talking about big clubs you can't ignore Liverpool's history. The current squad and set up is a long way off competing for the top honours or being back in the big leagues but I would still consider Liverpool a big club because of that history. I don't how much time needs to pass for that argument to become redundant but for me they're not there yet.

murpho999

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

So what you are saying is Liverpool are a bigger club than Chelsea and City?

Interesting opinion you have there

You don't seem to grasp the different concepts of 'big' and 'successful'.

Leeds Utd are a bigger club than many in the Premiership.

I don't see what you are trying to achieve.

Arsenal with two fa cups in 10 years and zero European cups mustn't be a big club either I guess going by some people ...

Harry Palmr

rarnes1 wrote: »

Arsenal with two fa cups in 10 years and zero European cups mustn't be a big club either I guess going by some people ...

Ah now they won the Fairs Cup in 1970 and the Cup Winners Cup in 1994.

My club is bigger than your club.

Teflon Ron

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

So what you are saying is Liverpool are a bigger club than Chelsea and City?

Interesting opinion you have there

All things considered, they're a much bigger club. And in the PL, there are no bigger than United and Liverpool.

Gamer Bhoy 89

I must've had bags under my eyes all day because I thought I heard he just left. WTF is wrong with me?

5starpool

nullzero wrote: »

I just find it strange that Liverpool chose to sack a manager at the start of October and a top managerial talent would leave his club at the same time, logic has taken a holiday it would seem.

I assume you know Klopp isn't a current manager anywhere? Based on that I'm not sure what the above refers to?

Crann na Beatha

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Caovyn Lineah

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

would like to see examples of posters changing their tune just because a player/manager joins a team they don't like

if you are going to call them out on it then you should have something to back it up

What's your opinion on Klopp?

glued

JT26 wrote: »

What a load of absolute bull****e

Sorry Chelsea had a glorious history before Abramovich. Who could forget the glory years in 1955 when they won the first division?

fyfe79

LFC are one of Europe's biggest clubs, I'm not sure how anyone can genuinely argue that one. Sure, Chelsea, City and United have more money but it's not like LFC are streets behind. At a guess I would think our spend is consistently in the top 10 in Europe - and considering that there are thousands and thousands of clubs, top 10 would count as one of the biggest, no?

Nobody is seeing we're the biggest club around, but to say we're not a top club is just plain wrong. Massive worldwide fan base, a ground being redeveloped to bring our attendance up, lots of money pumped into the club every year through large sponsorship deals and investment, a very successful history and hey, just for the fun of it, let's include fairly recent history too such as the Champions League 10 years ago. That's not small time.

We're a similar club to Utd, hence the biggest rivalry in the Premiership, albeit we're playing catch-up a little. If the club makes the right managerial appointment (Klopp, I'm hoping), LFC will hopefully narrow that gap further.

Rayne Wooney

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

What's your opinion on Klopp?

His philosophy is brilliant when he gets it right, Dortmund played some of the best football I've ever watched. The extent of his involvement in transfers is still pretty much up in the air, that Dortmund team were super talented, and what happened at the end of his tenure would be a worry.

A big risk for him if he doesn't do well at Pool his career could nose dive.

MR NINE

TheDoc wrote: »

Carragher has got some airtime from his comments about how Liverpool are now like Totenham, but the truth is Liverpool have been there for easily a decade, bar the odd sporadic anomaly.

A good post, but I have to disagree with this part. In the last decade Liverpool have:

2005: champions league winners
2006: fa cup winners
2007: champions league runners up
2009: premiership runners up
2010: Europa league semi finalists
2012: league cup winners, fa cup runners up
2014: premiership runners up

That is not comparable with spurs. Perhaps over the last five years, but definitely not the past decade. Even over the last five years, although admittedly an anomaly, Liverpool have had a campaign that spurs are simply incapable of having. Liverpool aren't as dormant a giant as some people believe. For the entirety of Benitez reign Liverpool were one of biggest and best performing clubs in Europe.

fyfe79

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

A big risk for him if he doesn't do well at Pool his career could nose dive.

A worry for any manager at a new club, surely?

Caovyn Lineah

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

His philosophy is brilliant when he gets it right, Dortmund played some of the best football I've ever watched. The extent of his involvement in transfers is still pretty much up in the air, that Dortmund team were super talented, and what happened at the end of his tenure would be a worry.

A big risk for him if he doesn't do well at Pool his career could nose dive.

And would you rate him higher than LVG?