Has Galway overtaken Limerick?

Tigerbaby · 02-10-2015 10:17PM

cannot stand Galway and its "airs"

I loved Limerick; real people, real goodness.

thats it !

Roquentin · 02-10-2015 10:20PM

correct me if im wrong, but i would imagine galway city population is growing faster than limericks.

c_man · 02-10-2015 10:43PM

Roquentin wrote: »

correct me if im wrong, but i would imagine galway city population is growing faster than limericks.

Look, I'm doing as much riding as possible but I'm only one man.

road_high · 02-10-2015 10:53PM

biko wrote: »

Tbh, Limerick feels much more like a city than Galway does - and I love Galway to bits.

Was in Limerick city centre for the first time in probably a decade last January and I was struck by the amount of development that had gone with very big buildings, offices and shops.
Galway would be a more like a smaller town in that regard, but much nice ambience over all.

brice_nobes · 02-10-2015 11:20PM

Tigerbaby wrote: »

cannot stand Galway and its "airs"

I loved Limerick; real people, real goodness.

thats it !

very smug place alright

brice_nobes · 02-10-2015 11:23PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

The cost of housing is an indicator of nothing other than what local people are prepared to pay for housing...you will not see a single economist in the world who agrees with you...I can't believe we haven't copped onto that one.

And the housing market is so dysfunctional in this country, I could just as effectively argue that housing prices are more of an indicator as how gullible people are. (we would both be wrong)

Remember, an awful lot of Limerick residents also have 2nd properties and holiday homes in Co Clare/Co Kerry...the city empties out every July and August more than any other Irish city...

saying that the cost of housing is no indicator of affluence flies in the face of logic when applied to almost any part of any city you can name

beit blackrock in dublin , kensington in london , malibu in los angeles

everyone might be wrong and you might be right but there is definatley a correlation between wealth levels and house prices

Silentcorner · 02-10-2015 11:41PM

brice_nobes wrote: »

saying that the cost of housing is no indicator of affluence flies in the face of logic when applied to almost any part of any city you can name

beit blackrock in dublin , kensington in london , malibu in los angeles

everyone might be wrong and you might be right but there is definatley a correlation between wealth levels and house prices

I understand the temptation to think that it is an indicator, and I am not on my own, economists agree with me, or more like I agree with them...

It's like basing the affluence of a city on the amount of Michelin Star restaurants...

If you combine the house prices in Limerick, with the value of the holiday homes that extend all the way up the West Coast of Clare and Kerry (and these things come in at a minimum of €30,000, can cost up to €250,000) then you'll find that Limerick people have a higher spend on property....we just get better bang for our buck...

You cannot compare Irish house prices with anywhere else in the world, we suffered from the biggest property crash in the OECD...we still are no where near recovering from that...

Silentcorner · 02-10-2015 11:52PM

brice_nobes wrote: »

while i agree that the media is kinder to galway , galway really does do incredibly well with what it has , this despite being located in the area of the country which has one of the smallest populations , if you go outside galway city , the next nearest population is athlone or ennis , limerick has all of tipperary , north kerry , etc , yet its still weak economically

the city of culture thing last year was an opportunity to sell itself , they done nothing with it , i hear its governed awfully

I respectfully disagree it was a massive success, by any metric you care to mention, you may not have heard about it, I imagine you depend on media to inform you of whether it was a success or not...it simply reinforces my original point...two cities treated completely differently in media.

brice_nobes · 02-10-2015 11:55PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I respectfully disagree it was a massive success, by any metric you care to mention, you may not have heard about it, I imagine you depend on media to inform you of whether it was a success or not...it simply reinforces my original point...two cities treated completely differently in media.

my partner is from limerick and both her and her family claim it was a damp squib last year bar the huge french granny , i actually like limerick but think it woefully underperforms on every level compared to galway

i think limerick has more going for it than galway in many ways as its hinterland is huge by comparisson with galway , it really needs to get its act together

brice_nobes · 02-10-2015 11:59PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I understand the temptation to think that it is an indicator, and I am not on my own, economists agree with me, or more like I agree with them...

It's like basing the affluence of a city on the amount of Michelin Star restaurants...

If you combine the house prices in Limerick, with the value of the holiday homes that extend all the way up the West Coast of Clare and Kerry (and these things come in at a minimum of €30,000, can cost up to €250,000) then you'll find that Limerick people have a higher spend on property....we just get better bang for our buck...

You cannot compare Irish house prices with anywhere else in the world, we suffered from the biggest property crash in the OECD...we still are no where near recovering from that...

your choosing arbitary factors to back up your points IMO , i dont know what percentage of limerick city folk own holiday homes and whether is way above the percentage of galway or other places , il stick with my assertion that house prices in an area is a pretty solid gauge of how affluent the place is , from darndale to dalkey , this gauge holds up pretty well

im not getting into a broader debate about the housing boom and crash here , there are many views

Silentcorner · 03-10-2015 12:14AM

brice_nobes wrote: »

my partner is from limerick and both her and her family claim it was a damp squib last year bar the huge french granny , i actually like limerick but think it woefully underperforms on every level compared to galway

i think limerick has more going for it than galway in many ways as its hinterland is huge by comparisson with galway , it really needs to get its act together

But most events had excellent attendances, like all 350 events...over 750,000 people attended the events...that is massive...the production quality of the events was very impressive...

I don't know how people are convinced the city underperforms on every level...it simply doesn't...most Limerick people, can afford to buy or rent property within a 10/15 drive of where they grew up...most people can obtain solid employment...and get there in a 15/20 minute drive...the jobs that were lost in Dell in 09 have been replaced...

The city has one of the highest levels of disposable income in the country http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/disposable-income-finally-rises-but-only-in-dublin-30213663.html

A lot of people buy season tickets for Munster Rugby whose state of the art stadium is a short drive or long walk from anywhere in the city...

A lot of people attend the many art galleries that are always exhibiting...a lot of people attend one of the 3 theatres and the various events they hold...

A lot of people get out into the likes of Dolans and gets to see what is an excellent grassroots music scene...

A lot of people play sport in the number of the excellent sporting facilities the city has...

A lot of people attend the University which has one of the best campusus in the country...

25,000 people go to 3 Level Institutions in the city...

A lot of people, 10,000 to be exact, recently cleaned up the city making it cleaner than Dublin, Cork and Galway...

It seems the whole city empties out every July and August and heads off to the coast...

Now the city is far from perfect, and can always improve, and has some serious social issues in pockets of the suburbs, but we are are not washing our babies in the Shannon just yet!!!

The perception of Limerick, and the reality of Limerick are two very different entities...

osarusan · 03-10-2015 12:15AM

City centre is a bit crap though.

All the malls outside the city have gutted it.

Silentcorner · 03-10-2015 12:27AM

brice_nobes wrote: »

your choosing arbitary factors to back up your points IMO , i dont know what percentage of limerick city folk own holiday homes and whether is way above the percentage of galway or other places , il stick with my assertion that house prices in an area is a pretty solid gauge of how affluent the place is , from darndale to dalkey , this gauge holds up pretty well

im not getting into a broader debate about the housing boom and crash here , there are many views

The irony of you accusing me of using arbitrary factors....by all means believe what you want to believe...Limericks property market has always been the most stable, the prices didn't rise as much as other cities, and it didn't fall as deep either...it has always been a conservative market...

dreamers75 · 03-10-2015 12:38AM

A city should have a millon people and an international airport.

Both Limerick and Galway are large villages, nice ones tho.

Silentcorner · 03-10-2015 12:44AM

dreamers75 wrote: »

A city should have a millon people and an international airport.

Both Limerick and Galway are large villages, nice ones tho.

Limerick had a population of 1million...but most were murdered in the gang wars between 2000-2009...swear to god!!

Hunchback · 03-10-2015 03:29PM

outsidein98 wrote: »

As a Dub with Limerick connections who lives on Galway. I have an interest. I do think Galway gets a lot of good PR in a way that Limerick never does. But really it's a big town rather than a city, sorry Galway people but it's true. Limerick is a proper city and it does suffer from city problems. Galway is really rather small from the perspective of a Dubliner. It's a great place to live, friendly, open and very little crime. Plus it has the advantage of being near to Connemara. But there's a bit of a small town mentality that persists. My wife couldn't wait to get out of the place when she was younger.

Someone earlier mentioned it escaped the worst of the recession and that is my observation too. It is a prosperous town/city.

Plus it has to be said that it's reputation as a place to go among Dubliners, who like it or not are a huge influence on a city's reputation, Cork people take note! You would be amazed how many Dublin flags appeared around the county, often in odd rural places, often with Galway flags alongside during the recent finals.

I have sarcastically referred to it as the westernmost Dublin suburb and the to hear some of the accents. You might think D4.

Limerick on the other hand has the drug problem. As a kid I was amazed to see, on visits to my cousins in Limerick, rough estates and poverty just like in Dublin. It's stab city rep is unfair but you can't ignore the issues.

I do think in the end Galway will overtake or match Limerick population wise. It's a good place to live and that draws people. It might in the end spoil the place but time will tell.

But finally I do prefer Dublin. You can take the man out of Dublin.........

By any chance were those Dublin colours you spotted in Headford County Galway? Cuz as far as I know, their Club flag colours are the same as the Dublin flag.

I remember driving through and thinking 'well, this is not so bad, we're not that hated after all'. And then my bubble was officially burst by a friend

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questionmark? · 03-10-2015 03:34PM

Always thought Limerick had great potential but it just doesn't click really. Just isn't the buzz around the place that other cities have. Pity really.

RobertKK · 03-10-2015 03:53PM

This is the order in which towns were declared cities on the island of Ireland.
1. Dublin
2. Cork
3. Limerick
4. Waterford
5. Kilkenny
6. Derry
7. Belfast
8. Galway
9. Armagh
10. Newry
11. Lisburn

Realt Dearg Sec · 03-10-2015 04:02PM

dreamers75 wrote: »

A city should have a millon people and an international airport.
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According to whose definition?

Totally Tropical · 30-11-2015 09:48PM

Perry Square, John Square, the Crescent, the grid system of the streets, the georgian architecture and the river front.The architectural spender of Limerick city versus Eyre Square and a few cobbled side streets.I don't mean to disrespect Galway but it's just a bigger version of Ennis with chronic traffic problems!I don't mind Galway but it's more of a paddywhackery tourist town than a city.Limerick is a more genuine and urban city than Galway.Limerick is an either take it or leave it we are who we are sort of place and that's what i love about it.

puppieperson · 01-12-2015 09:22PM

I am from Galway and work in Limerick no comparison. Galway is a big town Limerick is a city. I love Limerick and tbh cant stand Galway.

Wompa1 · 01-12-2015 09:31PM

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

By any chance were those Dublin colours you spotted in Headford County Galway? Cuz as far as I know, their Club flag colours are the same as the Dublin flag.

I remember driving through and thinking 'well, this is not so bad, we're not that hated after all'. And then my bubble was officially burst by a friend ..

That's right. You and your kind are not welcome in our two shops and four pubs. Stay out ya jackeen :pac:

HalloweenJack · 02-12-2015 01:32AM

Galway figures more in then ational psyche I reckon. It's also more positive.

Galway is the big city of the Gaeltacht (I know it's not in the Gaeltacht), the Galway races, the gateway to Connemara. Say 'Limerick' and people go 'Stab City'.

realdanbreen · 02-12-2015 09:52AM

road_high wrote: »

Was in Limerick city centre for the first time in probably a decade last January and I was struck by the amount of development that had gone with very big buildings, offices and shops.
Galway would be a more like a smaller town in that regard, but much nice ambience over all.

Did you happen to stroll down by PatrickSt, Rutland st ? Every second building is boarded up. Having said that when I think of Galway all I can see are stone walls,poor land, coffin ships, dirty hurlers, rain, spanish students, aran jumpers, more rain, that lead 'singer' in the saw doctors, . In fact the only good thing I can think of is that they gave us Supermacs.

Hulk Hands · 02-12-2015 10:56AM

Not sure where the idea came from that Limerick was unpretentious. There's a much bigger social divide in Limerick compared to Galway, with as someone said, a good deal of affluence along with a substantial working class. It likely stems from the fee paying schools in the area. They're very much separate communities and certain areas reflect that. In Galway, both ends of that spectrum are very small so everyone is lumped in together, part of what makes it good, there's a general good atmosphere to the place, albiet a lot to do with the majority of the inner towns population being students or young workers.

Limerick does seem like far more of a "city" though, even driving into it you get the sense it's bigger. As such it has more "big city" problems too. The walk from Parnell street to William street can leave you despairing for humanity. Plenty of nice suburbs though. Ive enjoyed living in both, although both become boring after a while as they are limited by size. Can see Galway overtaking it population wise at least in future, as transportation links have finally got a lot better and all the continued technological investment in the area

c_man · 02-12-2015 11:27AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Did you happen to stroll down by PatrickSt, Rutland st ? Every second building is boarded up. Having said that when I think of Galway all I can see are stone walls,poor land, coffin ships, dirty hurlers, rain, spanish students, aran jumpers, more rain, that lead 'singer' in the saw doctors, . In fact the only good thing I can think of is that they gave us Supermacs.

So now you're bringing the county's into it? No chance.

Hulk Hands wrote:

transportation links have finally got a lot better

Yes by 2022 we're going to have our Futurama style Tube Transport System up and running. Clifden to the city in 2 minutes.

Daisy78 · 02-12-2015 02:42PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

But most events had excellent attendances, like all 350 events...over 750,000 people attended the events...that is massive...the production quality of the events was very impressive...

I don't know how people are convinced the city underperforms on every level...it simply doesn't...most Limerick people, can afford to buy or rent property within a 10/15 drive of where they grew up...most people can obtain solid employment...and get there in a 15/20 minute drive...the jobs that were lost in Dell in 09 have been replaced...

The city has one of the highest levels of disposable income in the country http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/disposable-income-finally-rises-but-only-in-dublin-30213663.html

A lot of people buy season tickets for Munster Rugby whose state of the art stadium is a short drive or long walk from anywhere in the city...

A lot of people attend the many art galleries that are always exhibiting...a lot of people attend one of the 3 theatres and the various events they hold...

A lot of people get out into the likes of Dolans and gets to see what is an excellent grassroots music scene...

A lot of people play sport in the number of the excellent sporting facilities the city has...

A lot of people attend the University which has one of the best campusus in the country...

25,000 people go to 3 Level Institutions in the city...

A lot of people, 10,000 to be exact, recently cleaned up the city making it cleaner than Dublin, Cork and Galway...

It seems the whole city empties out every July and August and heads off to the coast...

Now the city is far from perfect, and can always improve, and has some serious social issues in pockets of the suburbs, but we are are not washing our babies in the Shannon just yet!!!

The perception of Limerick, and the reality of Limerick are two very different entities...

Buts its boring ...no atmosphere or life to the place at all....

mynameis905 · 02-12-2015 05:22PM

Baraics Pollox wrote: »

I've retracted my earlier statement, too harsh!

As a Dub, I always felt Galway more superior to Limerick. This is probably something simply due to the relative scales of the whole counties. I think Galway has more going for it too. Any time I've been to Limerick I've thought it feels bet down and a bit rougher. They're my reasons anyway.

I live in Limerick and agree. It is a grey, dreary city with very little going on. It's not as bad as living as living in some godforsaken one house town in the midlands but I'd prefer just about any other city.

ClovenHoof · 02-12-2015 05:30PM

Limerick should have more buzz to it. It falls flat in this regard.

I think that it over estimates how much the rest of the country gives a toss about its 'great sporting tradition' - the fact is that there are more Irish people who couldn't care less about sport than the media and politicians would have you believe.

Even the 'sports mad Irish' types only care when Ireland are winning, so they are not even sports fans as such.

Limerick marketing people need to work this fact out.

mynameis905 · 02-12-2015 05:36PM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Limerick should have more buzz to it. It falls flat in this regard.

I think that it over estimates how much the rest of the country gives a toss about its 'great sporting tradition' - the fact is that there are more Irish people who couldn't care less about sport than the media and politicians would have you believe.

Even the 'sports mad Irish' types only care when Ireland are winning, so they are not even sports fans as such.

Limerick marketing people need to work this fact out.

+1

I'd barely even heard of Munster rugby until a few years ago when they started doing well and everyone jumped on the bandwagon. All of a sudden the city is full of toolbags in red shirts every time there's a game on.

Has Galway overtaken Limerick?

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