Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

TCDStudent1 · 01-10-2015 09:48PM

glack wrote: »

But how many of those missing live and work in Dublin? They spend all season commuting up and down mid week for training. Don't think it's unreasonable for them to miss a meeting.

Yeah, that's true.

irishgeo · 01-10-2015 09:50PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1001/731800-mayo-meeting/

20 - 25 players seems a fairly low turnout for a 34 man panel considering how important this meeting was

A short meeting only 10mins for an important meeting.

Kalyke · 01-10-2015 09:54PM

Sounds like a stand off to me!

PressRun · 01-10-2015 09:55PM

Either they resigned immediately or said they weren't and the players walked out.

Kalyke · 01-10-2015 09:58PM

PressRun wrote: »

Either they resigned immediately or said they weren't and the players walked out.

The latter I fear..

cocoman · 01-10-2015 10:05PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1001/731800-mayo-meeting/

20 - 25 players seems a fairly low turnout for a 34 man panel considering how important this meeting was

The seven management supporters probably didn't attend.

wirelessdude01 · 01-10-2015 10:12PM

I'd imagine that the county board are backing the management, said as much. The players walked straight away.

Kalyke · 01-10-2015 10:17PM

The number of players present put at 30 according to Mayo News.
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22848%3Alarge-delegation-of-mayo-squad-attend-crisis-meeting&catid=14&Itemid=100008

Uncle Ben · 01-10-2015 10:18PM

Kalyke wrote: »

The number of players present put at 30 according to Mayo News.
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22848%3Alarge-delegation-of-mayo-squad-attend-crisis-meeting&catid=14&Itemid=100008

RTE really do have problems with counting people.

ColeTrain · 01-10-2015 10:19PM

It would be crazy for the County Board to back management.

Another question is, why would H&C want to stay on if they aren't wanted? Any sympathy they have will be gone if they decide to drag this out.

TCDStudent1 · 01-10-2015 10:19PM

Kalyke wrote: »

The number of players present put at 30 according to Mayo News.
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22848%3Alarge-delegation-of-mayo-squad-attend-crisis-meeting&catid=14&Itemid=100008

Now, that's a figure I would have expected

PressRun · 01-10-2015 10:22PM

Good to see the players sticking together. The ones that weren't there have reasonable excuses, it seems (out of the country, Dublin-based). It's a positive show of strength that would indicate they're not going let a wedge be driven between them.

Uncle Ben · 01-10-2015 10:22PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

It would be crazy for the County Board to back management.

Another question is, why would H&C want to stay on if they aren't wanted? Any sympathy they have will be gone if they decide to drag this out.

Pride comes before the fall.

Fr Tod Umptious · 01-10-2015 10:34PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

It would be crazy for the County Board to back management.

Another question is, why would H&C want to stay on if they aren't wanted? Any sympathy they have will be gone if they decide to drag this out.

Because H&C have every right to be pissed that there abilities to run this team have been brought into question in the last few days by noting other than speculation.

They got this team to a AI SF replay against the biggest powerhouse in the country, beating Galway away and last years finalists in the process.

They have every right to plead their case, and from what we believe they have the backing of some important and influential players.

I'm going to wait until I hear the pushing the cars around car parks type stories before I make a judgement on this one

mayo.mick · 01-10-2015 10:35PM

PressRun wrote: »

Good to see the players sticking together. The ones that weren't there have reasonable excuses, it seems (out of the country, Dublin-based). It's a positive show of strength that would indicate they're not going let a wedge be driven between them.

connacht's attempt didn't work! That's good to see

Kalyke · 01-10-2015 10:37PM

mayo.mick wrote: »

connacht's attempt didn't work! That's good to see

I think the CT is edited by Eugene McGee..... A very well named "journalist"

Loafing Oaf · 01-10-2015 10:41PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

It would be crazy for the County Board to back management.

T'would make the Brian McDonald era seem like a haven of sanity alright...

seligehgit · 01-10-2015 10:41PM

Surely the first item on the agenda for the meeting would have been the players outlining the reasons behind their decision to carry a vote of confidence in the management as a courtesy to same.I'd have thought this would have taken a considerable period of time. Are we to presume this meeting was purely for aesthetics with the battle lines drawn and no serious attempt/wish made by either side to get to the heart of the players concerns.Surely the management deserved some explanation of the rationale behind the nuclear option taken by the players.
Could it be that the player representatives Keith Higgins and Cillian O Connor outlined the rationale behind their decision when they met with Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes at the weekend and unbelievably same contents weren't leaked.
Hopefully we're not in for a Mexican stand off.

Fr Tod Umptious · 01-10-2015 10:54PM

Gary Neville wrote: »

We've had this scenario in Cork, far too often in the last 15 years or so. ......
Mayo are good enough to win an AI (with the vital slice of good luck) in the next 3 years - management has lost the dressing-room and .....

Luck, and players playing beyond themselbes is a big part of it.

I'm gettinga bit sick of this 'we need a tatitical genius on the side line talk', yea good tactics and good reading of the game is handy but the above two are also huge.

Lets look at the last few managers and see how they fit in the tatatical genius range.

Jim Gavin - With the playing resources in the squad he has he could doze off on the side line and they would still win
Yes they became a bit more defensive this year, but to say it was because of their loss to Donegal last year is a bit of an over reaction.
Last year v Donegal was the biggest bad day at the office scenario since Kerry lost to Meath in 2001.
If they played each other 11 times with the same players the same conditions etc I'd bet Dublin would win 10.

Jimmy McGuiness - Yes 2012 they were brilliant, helped by early goals in the QF and Final that allowed them a cushion.
But apart from 2012 they have been pretty poor.
In 2011 they were the most defensive team in the history of sports and it got them no where, in 2013 admittedly they had injuries and the hangover, but a lot fancied them to beat Mayo that day. Last year they benefited from Dublin have the off day of the century and they failed to beat what was a less than world class Kerry team playing poorly in the final.

Eamon Fitzmaurice - last year hailed as a tactical genius for being the first Kerryman in years to beat a Northern team in a final, but if you look that success was booked ended by losses to Dublin
In 2013 he sprung the totally out of his dept Jack Sherwood from the bench when the the fat was in the fire, this year it was his 36 year old brother in law, back from retirement and who had barely seen action all season.

Mayo need a mix to win an All Ireland

Players who preform above there abilities, not get stupid black cards (you know who I am talking about), or can't hit 21 yard frees (older reader will know who I am talking about)

Luck, teams who have no right to be there (Down 2010)

And a manager who can see something in front of him on the day that is as obvious to the rest of us as the noses on our faces after we watch it for the 14th time on Sky +and Ciaran Whelan or Joe Brolly has told us what should have been done.

Syferus · 01-10-2015 11:13PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Luck, and players playing beyond themselbes is a big part of it.

I'm gettinga bit sick of this 'we need a tatitical genius on the side line talk', yea good tactics and good reading of the game is handy but the above two are also huge.

Lets look at the last few managers and see how they fit in the tatatical genius range.

Jim Gavin - With the playing resources in the squad he has he could doze off on the side line and they would still win
Yes they became a bit more defensive this year, but to say it was because of their loss to Donegal last year is a bit of an over reaction.
Last year v Donegal was the biggest bad day at the office scenario since Kerry lost to Meath in 2001.
If they played each other 11 times with the same players the same conditions etc I'd bet Dublin would win 10.

Jimmy McGuiness - Yes 2012 they were brilliant, helped by early goals in the QF and Final that allowed them a cushion.
But apart from 2012 they have been pretty poor.
In 2011 they were the most defensive team in the history of sports and it got them no where, in 2013 admittedly they had injuries and the hangover, but a lot fancied them to beat Mayo that day. Last year they benefited from Dublin have the off day of the century and they failed to beat what was a less than world class Kerry team playing poorly in the final.

Eamon Fitzmaurice - last year hailed as a tactical genius for being the first Kerryman in years to beat a Northern team in a final, but if you look that success was booked ended by losses to Dublin
In 2013 he sprung the totally out of his dept Jack Sherwood from the bench when the the fat was in the fire, this year it was his 36 year old brother in law, back from retirement and who had barely seen action all season.

Mayo need a mix to win an All Ireland

Players who preform above there abilities, not get stupid black cards (you know who I am talking about), or can't hit 21 yard frees (older reader will know who I am talking about)

Luck, teams who have no right to be there (Down 2010)

And a manager who can see something in front of him on the day that is as obvious to the rest of us as the noses on our faces after we watch it for the 14th time on Sky +and Ciaran Whelan or Joe Brolly has told us what should have been done.

Yeah. Winning Ulster and almost beating Dublin in an AISF at the first time of asking was getting no where.

I don't know if we're watching the same sport sometimes Toddy.

Fr Tod Umptious · 01-10-2015 11:17PM

Syferus wrote: »

Yeah. Winning Ulster and almost beating Dublin in an AISF at the first time of asking was getting no where.

I don't know if we're watching the same sport sometimes Toddy.

But it was complete muck.

Recent history has shown us that the Ulster championship is the most overrated thing since a team managed by John Evans.

TCDStudent1 · 01-10-2015 11:18PM

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1001/731800-mayo-meeting/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

A little video updated on RTE now. Some amount of lads getting into the car at the top of the picture!

mickdw · 01-10-2015 11:39PM

Much as the management appears poor in terms of tactics, Its abit irish for the team to be dumping all over them when arguably the biggest f*ckup in the 2nd Dublin game was a player seemingly deciding he didnt fancy finishing out the game and acted stupidly to guarantee himself a blackcard.

mass_debater · 01-10-2015 11:48PM

mickdw wrote: »

Much as the management appears poor in terms of tactics, Its abit irish for the team to be dumping all over them when arguably the biggest f*ckup in the 2nd Dublin game was a player seemingly deciding he didnt fancy finishing out the game and acted stupidly to guarantee himself a blackcard.

That was never a black card. It was provoked, should've been yellow

SeanJ09 · 01-10-2015 11:49PM

mass_debater wrote: »

That was never a black card. It was provoked, should've been yellow

No excuse though for Seamie, was foolish in such a vital juncture in the game.

PressRun · 01-10-2015 11:50PM

mickdw wrote: »

Much as the management appears poor in terms of tactics, Its abit irish for the team to be dumping all over them when arguably the biggest f*ckup in the 2nd Dublin game was a player seemingly deciding he didnt fancy finishing out the game and acted stupidly to guarantee himself a blackcard.

What's with the obsession with the Dublin game? These problems have supposedly been brewing for quite a long time. I heard of trouble back during the league. I highly doubt the players would deliver a vote of no confidence on the basis of one incident or one match. I don't think there is one specific issue or moment that has led to this, but rather it has been a build up of several issues over time.

padd b1975 · 01-10-2015 11:51PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1001/731800-mayo-meeting/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

A little video updated on RTE now. Some amount of lads getting into the car at the top of the picture!

And everyone of them claiming mileage hopefully!

padd b1975 · 01-10-2015 11:54PM

PressRun wrote: »

What's with the obsession with the Dublin game? These problems have supposedly been brewing for quite a long time. I heard of trouble back during the league. I highly doubt the players would deliver a vote of no confidence on the basis of one incident or one match. I don't think there is one specific issue or moment that has led to this, but rather it has been a build up of several issues over time.

Apparently there was fireworks in the dressing room after the league match against Dublin.
Since then there's been little or no communication between management and one big name.

SeanJ09 · 02-10-2015 12:00AM

Anyone think that Joe Brolly's overwhelming praise of Aiden O Shea, picking him as the Footballer of the year and emphasising the defeat to Dublin was the managers fault rather than the players on the Sunday game on the night of the All Ireland Final may have been the final push for the players with the no confidence vote?

neiphin · 02-10-2015 12:00AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Apparently there was fireworks in the dressing room after the league match against Dublin.
Since then there's been little or no communication between management and one big name.

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