Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

murphaph · 25-09-2015 02:03PM

KOR101 wrote: »

We should be hoping the blue line houses remain in the NBP because there is then a contractual commitment to them, father than just a commitment.

A contractual commitment? I'm not sure there would be and a change of government or policy could see the NBP dropped faster than Dart Underground. You want as many km of ftth fibre laid by whomever shows the the willingness. The business case for a lot of this looks really thin to me, but the deeper the fibre "goes anyway" the better the business case for the outlying properties looks.

clohamon · 25-09-2015 02:15PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

The state intervention in this case is not part of the 'private planned deployment', but begins after its completion, IIRC.

Not true.

The mapping of private planned deployments is a required part of the State Aid process; to protect qualifying private investments from being overbuilt by the State.

So long as the mapping has been done fairly there is no requirement or reason to wait for the private investments to be completed.

“For the purpose of identifying the geographical areas as white [amber], grey or black [blue] as described below, the aid granting authority needs to determine whether broadband infrastructures exist in the targeted area. In order to further ensure that the public intervention does not disrupt private investments, the aid granting authorities should also verify whether private investors have concrete plans to roll out their own infrastructure in the near future. The term ‘near future’ should be understood as referring to a period of 3 years (79). If the granting authority takes a longer time horizon for the deployment of the subsidised infrastructure, the same time horizon should also be used to assess the existence of commercial investment plans."

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C: (para 63)

Johnboy1951 · 25-09-2015 02:53PM

clohamon wrote: »

Not true.

The mapping of private planned deployments is a required part of the State Aid process; to protect qualifying private investments from being overbuilt by the State.

So long as the mapping has been done fairly there is no requirement or reason to wait for the private investments to be completed.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C: (para 63)

Thanks.

I am attempting to figure out how this might work in practice for the ends of those 'thin blue lines'.

A blue line ends outside my door.
So I am in a commercially serviced location and eir is to provide the service.
My neighbour is in a NBP location (blue line does not reach him).

It is quite possible he might get FTTH under the NBP before eir provide the blue line service to me.

Will there be anything preventing my neighbour's provider from connecting me to the FTTH, while not claiming any sub from the NBP?

I thought not .... but now wondering if there might be.

AlmightyCushion · 25-09-2015 02:57PM

Of course not. What would make you even think there would be?

Johnboy1951 · 25-09-2015 03:05PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Of course not. What would make you even think there would be?

I have no idea what protections might be inserted to allow time for the commercial operators to fulfil their promises before some other operator, subsidised by NBP, can enter the declared area.

It would not make much sense to me .... but I am sure it would to the likes of eir, and they have a lot more clout than any of us!

Gonzo · 25-09-2015 03:34PM

it does seem a bit confusing if we are now under the NBP or not.

My gut feeling is that we are not part of the NBP because the contracted has not been awarded yet and could end up being completed by some party other than Eir.

Judging from Eir's press release about the blue lines it seems they are committed to complete it by end of 2020. The main reason I believe they will complete this and get working on it fast is that if they don't do this, they could potentially lose business for the next 50+ years in these areas which as a whole cover alot of people across Ireland.

This is the bit taken from Eircom's Press release:
In June 2015, eir extended their rollout commitment to include an additional 300,000 homes and businesses, which means by end of 2020 1.9 million homes and business across Ireland will have access to a high speed broadband network.

and I just after finding a piece on Eir's website claiming that the blue lines is not part of the NBP

it reads:
The National Broadband Plan (NBP) is a Government sponsored initiative to bring broadband to rural Ireland. The NBP in terms of roll out is not part of eircom’s NGA program, which is forecasted to reach 1.9 million homes/businesses by end of 2020. In June 2015, the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Alex White, gave an update on the status of the NBP, specifically the timelines and areas that are included in the intervention footprint. All of the information relating to the National Broadband plan you can get at www.broadband.gov.ie

Johnboy1951 · 25-09-2015 03:41PM

@Gonzo

If the blue lines are omitted from NGB, which seems likely, and eir do not in very short time bring FTTH to those along the blue lines, then it seems likely that any other provider that might be awarded an NBP contract would first off target those areas close to the blue lines, and then be able (cheaply) to offer FTTH (hopefully) to those along the blue lines.
Thus eir could lose out those connections to another provider ....... unless that provider is prevented from entering 'commercial' areas under the NBP contract.

The same could be true of other clusters and villages .....

KOR101 · 25-09-2015 03:59PM

Gonzo wrote: »

it does seem a bit confusing if we are now under the NBP or not.

My gut feeling is that we are not part of the NBP because the contracted has not been awarded yet and could end up being completed by some party other than Eir.

Judging from Eir's press release about the blue lines it seems they are committed to complete it by end of 2020. The main reason I believe they will complete this and get working on it fast is that if they don't do this, they could potentially lose business for the next 50+ years in these areas which as a whole cover alot of people across Ireland.

This is the bit taken from Eircom's Press release:
In June 2015, eir extended their rollout commitment to include an additional 300,000 homes and businesses, which means by end of 2020 1.9 million homes and business across Ireland will have access to a high speed broadband network.

and I just after finding a piece on Eir's website claiming that the blue lines is not part of the NBP

it reads:
The National Broadband Plan (NBP) is a Government sponsored initiative to bring broadband to rural Ireland. The NBP in terms of roll out is not part of eircom’s NGA program, which is forecasted to reach 1.9 million homes/businesses by end of 2020. In June 2015, the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Alex White, gave an update on the status of the NBP, specifically the timelines and areas that are included in the intervention footprint. All of the information relating to the National Broadband plan you can get at www.broadband.gov.ie

There's no point in referencing Eircom as to whether the blue lines are parts of NBP or not.

The government has never once referred to anything other than 700,000 premises for the plan. And their recent September plan simply states.....

We continue to review all of the data provided by operators for 2016-2020 with a view to validating and updating the High Speed coverage map as published on www.broadband.gov.ie by the end of the year pre procurement.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 25-09-2015 04:10PM

KOR101 wrote: »

There's no point in referencing Eircom as to whether the blue lines are parts of NBP or not.

The government has never once referred to anything other than 700,000 premises for the plan. And their recent September plan simply states.....

We continue to review all of the data provided by operators for 2016-2020 with a view to validating and updating the High Speed coverage map as published on www.broadband.gov.ie by the end of the year pre procurement.

The expert reports recommend that the NBP area be split into three regional areas. If the blue lined areas were to be removed from the plan it would make it extremely difficult financially for an operator other than OpenEir to service a particular region. I suspect this is why OpenEir have released this proposed rural rollout.

Johnboy1951 · 25-09-2015 04:43PM

This is where my selfishness kicks in ...... I hope they roll out FTTH on those blue lines rapid quick as I am near the end of one

Dr. Nick · 25-09-2015 04:46PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

This is where my selfishness kicks in ...... I hope they roll out FTTH on those blue lines rapid quick as I am near the end of one

Me too :pac:

Gonzo · 25-09-2015 04:56PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

This is where my selfishness kicks in ...... I hope they roll out FTTH on those blue lines rapid quick as I am near the end of one

I think were all in the same boat, this cannot get started soon enough. Unfortunately they are not starting the rural blue lines till sometime in 2017 at the earliest according to their website. Im not sure it will be completed by the end of 2020 if they are only starting on them then, its a huge network of rural fibre.

swoofer · 25-09-2015 06:21PM

this thread has gone way off topic as usual. Its about 66 towns, nothing about NBP etc

Its now full of rubbish. There should be a separate post re NBP and how its supposed to link to FTTH.

By the way those blue lines are total and utter rubbish. eir will rush to get 66 towns and then take it as it comes.

rob808 · 25-09-2015 09:59PM

swoofer wrote: »

this thread has gone way off topic as usual. Its about 66 towns, nothing about NBP etc

Its now full of rubbish. There should be a separate post re NBP and how its supposed to link to FTTH.

By the way those blue lines are total and utter rubbish. eir will rush to get 66 towns and then take it as it comes.

well of course except 66 towns won't be finish until 2018 so they would had start doing rural area before finishing 66 towns.I agree a separate thread need for rural FTTH from eir.

kopite davo · 25-09-2015 11:00PM

swoofer wrote: »

this thread has gone way off topic as usual. Its about 66 towns, nothing about NBP etc

Its now full of rubbish. There should be a separate post re NBP and how its supposed to link to FTTH.

By the way those blue lines are total and utter rubbish. eir will rush to get 66 towns and then take it as it comes.

I think swoofer lives in a town and works for eircon. Its all about the towns, you rural folk go feck off!!

KeRbDoG · 26-09-2015 11:25AM

Slide 12 of this presentation is the kind of overhead ducting they could use for FTTH service in rural areas or areas of towns which aren't ducted

ECO_Mental · 26-09-2015 02:14PM

Well I've done it....just place my order for 1Gb/s BB with Eir:):D

Install date two weeks time 9th October so heres hoping in might be earlier.

Also bundled TV with it so now I can get rid of Sky. Small bit worried about eVision as I have heard that its not as good as Sky. But I'll give it go anyway.

I'll keep ye posted with the install and the all Important Speedtest results, heres what I'm on atm and its not too bad but I suppose I'm greedy:o

swoofer · 26-09-2015 05:53PM

where are you and did you order online? you wont notice any diffference!! and are you moving to eircom?

ECO_Mental · 26-09-2015 06:15PM

Ordered online and I am moving from Vodafone, I had to take a hit of 200 euros to break out early of my VF contract (I just coulnt wait six months to see out the contract:o)

Every time I walked out my door knowing that there was fibre only a few feet away from me and it was ready to go was too big a temptation.

Also I felt it was my duty to all ye boardies who are not as lucky as me to get it.;)

mass_debater · 26-09-2015 06:40PM

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Ordered online and I am moving from Vodafone, I had to take a hit of 200 euros to break out early of my VF contract (I just coulnt wait six months to see out the contract:o)

Every time I walked out my door knowing that there was fibre only a few feet away from me and it was ready to go was too big a temptation.

Also I felt it was my duty to all ye boardies who are not as lucky as me to get it.;)

The increase in speed must make a massive difference to you

Gonzo · 26-09-2015 06:46PM

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Well I've done it....just place my order for 1Gb/s BB with Eir:):D

Install date two weeks time 9th October so heres hoping in might be earlier.

Also bundled TV with it so now I can get rid of Sky. Small bit worried about eVision as I have heard that its not as good as Sky. But I'll give it go anyway.

I'll keep ye posted with the install and the all Important Speedtest results, heres what I'm on atm and its not too bad but I suppose I'm greedy:o

is 86megs not fast enough!!?? I can't imagine moving to 1GB will make much of a difference other than downloading massive files. Alot of people in this country would see 86 megs as a pipedream!

ECO_Mental · 26-09-2015 08:12PM

Gonzo wrote: »

is 86megs not fast enough!!?? I can't imagine moving to 1GB will make much of a difference other than downloading massive files. Alot of people in this country would see 86 megs as a pipedream!

Yeah I suppose so, but FTTH is the future as I see it I am future proofed for many years to come. The 1000mb is probably a bit of an overkill for my needs now but you'd never know.

It's a nerdy thing also who wouldn't want to say they have gig broadband:) there aren't too many people who can.

murphaph · 26-09-2015 08:20PM

Gonzo wrote: »

is 86megs not fast enough!!?? I can't imagine moving to 1GB will make much of a difference other than downloading massive files. Alot of people in this country would see 86 megs as a pipedream!

Yeah and lots of people would kill for 10mbps. It's all relative I guess.

Deagol · 26-09-2015 08:48PM

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Yeah I suppose so, but FTTH is the future as I see it I am future proofed for many years to come. The 1000mb is probably a bit of an overkill for my needs now but you'd never know.

It's a nerdy thing also who wouldn't want to say they have gig broadband:) there aren't too many people who can.

They're just jealous :P

Like me

:D

swoofer · 26-09-2015 08:58PM

but where are you???

SeamusG97 · 26-09-2015 09:01PM

murphaph wrote: »

Yeah and lots of people would kill for 10mbps. It's all relative I guess.

I would ... 0.324 Mb/s on landline atm in county Limerick.

ECO_Mental · 26-09-2015 09:30PM

swoofer wrote: »

but where are you???

Sorry, rochestown in cork

mass_debater · 27-09-2015 08:46AM

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Yeah I suppose so, but FTTH is the future as I see it I am future proofed for many years to come. The 1000mb is probably a bit of an overkill for my needs now but you'd never know.

It's a nerdy thing also who wouldn't want to say they have gig broadband:) there aren't too many people who can.

That's an expensive epenis you have there. You do realise you're going to need to spend some cash on a proper router to make any decent use of gigabit, even wired. Then you'll end up upgrading the cards in your end devices as onboard won't be good enough.........

ECO_Mental · 27-09-2015 09:02AM

mass_debater wrote: »

That's an expensive epenis you have there. You do realise you're going to need to spend some cash on a proper router to make any decent use of gigabit, even wired. Then you'll end up upgrading the cards in your end devices as onboard won't be good enough.........

Jaysus, I'm not feeling a lot of love here for getting this.

This thread has being going for over a year now with people wishing and hoping that one day they can get FTTH and now when somebody actually can get it it's like "do you really need that" maybe we should tell Eir and SIRO to hold off on the roll out because its to fast......

PixelTrawler · 27-09-2015 09:53AM

The truth is there isnt much of a genuine use case for it at the moment.
I've a 120 meg conn from UPC, I can't even be bothered upgrading to the available 240.

1gb is over 8 times my connection speed. At least for me, I can't see the need for it. Not for 87 a month.

About the only large thing we download here in this house is steam games - which often doesnt max out due to steam congestion. Times for this arent really an issue with 120 I find. Certainly far faster than driving to a shop and buying games when I used to have a console!

We stream multiple HD netflix streams at the same time here with no issues.
I don't have a 4K TV.

I've a CAT6e hard wired to my office (cough, games room) from the router , thats the only thing here that could move such a high speed around this house. As mentioned I'd need a good new router and few devices in the house at the moment could take advantage. I'd be all for future proofing, but would only want to pay for it when I need to.

Its great to see a high speed push in the country but a lot of people at the moment havent a hope of taking advantage of it.

Some will, there will definitely be some who may manage to use it. And hopefully people do buy it or the rollout will stop! But they will be the minority.

Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

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