Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

KeRbDoG · 17-09-2015 12:18AM

Rossi IRL wrote: »

If you click on that , one of the maps has blue lines along the roads. One of the blue lines ends maybe 1km after my house.

Do any of ye know what the blue lines mean?

The info for the blue lines... roll on 2017~2020!

ECO_Mental · 17-09-2015 12:25AM

markmurphy wrote: »

how fast is 1000mb internet? watch video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOERJ0fdUb4

I now love blue lines!

M.

Sold.....Eircom or Eir! Should put that video on their front page

Rossi IRL · 17-09-2015 12:29AM

KeRbDoG wrote: »

The info for the blue lines... roll on 2017~2020!

Ah no, dont think i can continue with this 2mb till up to 2020.

Hopefully something else might come sooner, even a fixed wireless provider.

rob808 · 17-09-2015 12:39AM

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Ah no, dont think i can continue with this 2mb till up to 2020.

Hopefully something else might come sooner, even a fixed wireless provider.

I'm on 4mb it not that many years away plus if your on there map you be enjoying 1gb while I be on a bit better adsl+ 2 speeds with NBP yah back to the 90s while every one else will be in future with there 1gb broadband:D.

Rossi IRL · 17-09-2015 12:47AM

rob808 wrote: »

I'm on 4mb it not that many years away plus if your on there map you be enjoying 1gb while I be on a bit better adsl+ 2 speeds with NBP yah back to the 90s while every one else will be in future with there 1gb broadband:D.

Well if im still living here, ill let you know what its like.:D

paulboland · 17-09-2015 02:57AM

UPC will be launching 500MB broadband to homes sometime this year or early next year
UPC Engineer told me this last week
Not surprising as it was expected with the launch of 1GB broadband

500Mb would be more than enough for most people's needs

I asked were they upgrading routers to have AC wireless he did not know when

UPC have got new routers been tested and these are AC wireless so they do exist

Having AC wireless router will only benefit customers though that have devices that are AC wireless it won't benefit devices that are wireless G or wireless N 2.4 ghz

Big question is will 240mb customers get free upgrade to 500mb or will this be an option only if you pay more

The Cush · 17-09-2015 09:15AM

eir Fibre Extreme 150Mb (153600kbps / 30720kbps) €50 pm
eir Fibre Extreme 300Mb (307200kbps / 51200kbps) €58 pm
eir Fibre Extreme 1000Mb (1024000kbps / 102400kbps) €70 pm

Standard Connection fee - €100

https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/terms/Part3.1.pdf

ED E · 17-09-2015 09:34AM

70/mo for gig really is resonable.

bk · 17-09-2015 09:41AM

paulboland wrote: »

Big question is will 240mb customers get free upgrade to 500mb or will this be an option only if you pay more

I wouldn't expect it to be a free upgrade, as it will require a new modem. So I'd expect it to be sold as a "premium" tier.

paulboland wrote: »

Having AC wireless router will only benefit customers though that have devices that are AC wireless it won't benefit devices that are wireless G or wireless N 2.4 ghz

Well new routers can also benefit in other ways. AC routers tend to have faster CPU's, more RAM and larger antenneas, so that often also increases 2.4GHz performance. Any new router is also likely to be a dual radio model, so it should be able to do simultaneous 5GHZ 802.11n.

Buying an Archer C7, I went from just 50Mb/s from the UPC router on 2.4GHz to 200Mb/s on 5GHz 802.11n. Note my laptop doesn't support ac, but I still saw a big performance improvement.

paulboland wrote: »

500Mb would be more than enough for most people's needs

To be honest 240Mb/s is way more then fast enough already for most peoples needs. Now we are simply into marketing and one man upmanship with 500Mb/s, 1Gb/s, etc.

PeadarB · 17-09-2015 09:44AM

ED E wrote: »

70/mo for gig really is resonable.

Small print is a bi*ch though - "eir Fibre packages with unlimited usage are subject to a Fair Usage policy of 1TB per month. Usage is excess of 1TB will be charged at €2.50(inc. VAT) for every 10 GB up toa maximum of €100(incl VAT) per month."
I managed 1.5Tb last month according to the Broadband Usage meter (to be honest it was a spike

).

Johnboy1951 · 17-09-2015 09:54AM

PeadarB wrote: »

Small print is a bi*ch though - "eir Fibre packages with unlimited usage are subject to a Fair Usage policy of 1TB per month. Usage is excess of 1TB will be charged at €2.50(inc. VAT) for every 10 GB up toa maximum of €100(incl VAT) per month."
I managed 1.5Tb last month according to the Broadband Usage meter (to be honest it was a spike ).

1TB ...... 1 TBYTE

1.5Tb ..... ~ 0.2 TB

just pointing out it is necessary to be certain about the abbreviations we use.

MajesticDonkey · 17-09-2015 10:02AM

PeadarB wrote: »

Small print is a bi*ch though - "eir Fibre packages with unlimited usage are subject to a Fair Usage policy of 1TB per month. Usage is excess of 1TB will be charged at €2.50(inc. VAT) for every 10 GB up toa maximum of €100(incl VAT) per month."
I managed 1.5Tb last month according to the Broadband Usage meter (to be honest it was a spike ).

That is absolutely loads for the majority of people, but I wish ISPs would stop saying it's unlimited when it's not.

Johnboy1951 · 17-09-2015 10:04AM

What is the difference in the supplied service of those two ...... eir Fibre Broadband & eir Fibre Standalone eir Broadband?

It seems to be that the first & cheaper option includes telephone and the second doesn't ........

Note: It should be noted that a customer availing of Standalone eir Broadband will not be able to receive calls or make outbound calls from their line. Access to emergency servicenumbers is not available.

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup · 17-09-2015 10:07AM

i don't know how I use that much. 200gb a day in august! actually i think that has to be wrong.

never knew 1Gigabit is coming to Ennis, phone line checker down for the moment.

bk · 17-09-2015 10:17AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

What is the difference in the supplied service of those two ...... eir Fibre Broadband & eir Fibre Standalone eir Broadband?

It seems to be that the first & cheaper option includes telephone and the second doesn't ........

eir Fibre Broadband also requires a POTS land line, the rental of which isn't included in the above table.

Johnboy1951 · 17-09-2015 10:28AM

Reading through the document referred to above
www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/.content/pdf/terms/Part3.1.pdf

there are links to such as

www.eir.net/policy
www.eir.net/group/pricing

and so on.

But http://www.eir.net/ is not the embedded link, it is embedded as
eircom.net.
eir.net is a different company!

Weird this error .....

I expect all those links should be eir.ie and not .net

Gonzo · 17-09-2015 10:35AM

I can't believe my area is finally included in a plan for FTTH!, granted i'll have to stick with what I have for a minimum of another 2 years, it's great to know that I won't be stuck on standard broadband forever. When I eventually get upgraded from 9meg to 1GB I won't know myself with those speeds! I really hope I get it sooner timeframe of 2017 rather than 2020!.

FaganJr · 17-09-2015 10:40AM

Gonzo wrote: »

I can't believe my area is finally included in a plan for FTTH!, granted i'll have to stick with what I have for a minimum of another 2 years, it's great to know that I won't be stuck on standard broadband forever. When I eventually get upgraded from 9meg to 1GB I won't know myself with those speeds! I really hope I get it sooner timeframe of 2017 rather than 2020!.

1GB will be the 9MB of 2020

:D:D

bk · 17-09-2015 11:57AM

FaganJr wrote: »

1GB will be the 9MB of 2020 :D:D

I know you are just joking, but just for the benefit of others reading:

Not really, FTTH is the technology of the next 50 to 100 years. Once it is in place, it is relatively easy to upgrade to higher speeds in future.

Eircom (and SIRO) are using GPON to deliver 1Gb/s. But the next standard 10G-PON has already been developed and it will allow them to upgrade to 10Gb/s. Upgrading to 10G-PON simply involves replacing the ONT, no need to change any of the fiber cable.

In future, upgrades will come by simply replacing the ONT (the laser) to allow it to support more spectrum and thus higher speeds over the same cable.

That is why FTTH really is the future.

DECEiFER · 17-09-2015 12:01PM

FaganJr wrote: »

1GB will be the 9MB of 2020 :D:D

Nah. It will be more commonplace but people in 2020 will still be on 9Mb, in all parts of the world. 1Gb will still be productive as hell.

bk wrote: »

I know you are just joking, but just for the benefit of others reading:

Not really, FTTH is the technology of the next 50 to 100 years. Once it is in place, it is relatively easy to upgrade to higher speeds in future.

Eircom (and SIRO) are using GPON to deliver 1Gb/s. But the next standard 10G-PON has already been developed and it will allow them to upgrade to 10Gb/s. Upgrading to 10G-PON simply involves replacing the ONT, no need to change any of the fiber cable.

In future, upgrades will come by simply replacing the ONT (the laser) to allow it to support more spectrum and thus higher speeds over the same cable.

That is why FTTH really is the future.

Indeed. If done right it'll deliver speeds far in excess of 1Gb.

mobil 222 · 17-09-2015 12:19PM

There is a fttc located about 2.4 km from where i live...this cabinet is situated close to 4 km from exchange.
As can be seen this cabinet is shown on Eir site in what was the originally planned location which was within 1km of
Exchange..they have not changed the new location on Map.
There was a a 1way small subduct pulled out to this new cab location..which is situated at end of UG section.
A Copper cab was set.
Will ftth be fed from that new Fibre cab or will it be fed direct from exchange

DECEiFER · 17-09-2015 12:23PM

mobil 222 wrote: »

There is a fttc located about 2.4 km from where i live...this cabinet is situated close to 4 km from exchange.
As can be seen this cabinet is shown on Eir site in what was the originally planned location which was within 1km of
Exchange..they have not changed the new location on Map.
There was a a 1way small subduct pulled out to this new cab location..which is situated at end of UG section.
A Copper cab was set.
Will ftth be fed from that new Fibre cab or will it be fed direct from exchange

The cabinet, I would assume but they could feed it from anywhere as fiber does not suffer the same issues as copper with regards to signal degradation. It won't matter if you're 100m, 1km, or 5km from the source.

bk · 17-09-2015 12:36PM

Well the fibre is run from the exchange to the FTTC cabs in order to allow them to work. In doing this Eircom has future proofed for FTTH by running 24 fibres to each cab while that cab only uses 4 fibres. The other 20 fibres are for future FTTH upgrades.

So typically for FTTH the fibres will come from the exchange, run under the cab and then go to your house. So while they pass the cab, they aren't actually coming from it.

bk · 17-09-2015 12:55PM

I'm now convinced that the blue lines are following the main duct network. Looking at Blarney as an example, most of the blue lines are areas connecting FTTC cabinets back to the local exchanges. In a few places it then branches off down side roads for a few hundred meters or beyond a cab for a few hundred meters, plus a few other main roads.

But it is very noticeable at any of the areas I look at, that the blue lines for the most part seem to connect up with the green dots of FTTC cabs.

Suddenly Eircoms 300,000 FTTH homes announcement makes sense.

For some strange reason *, the NBP areas largely cover anywhere that is more then 500 meters from a FTTC cabs. Now Eircom already has lots of fiber running to these cabs and as you can see in Blarney, there is often well more then 500 meters between cabs, which would mean these gaps fall under the NBP. However Eircom often have fiber running along these roads on the way to these cabs, so it should be relatively easy for them to run FTTH to the houses along these areas, specially given the underground ducts.

* I say strange, as the NBP plan specifies a minimum of 30Mb/s. Vectorised VDSL can do 30Mb/s out to 1.1KM. I can only assume that other requirements of the NBP plan such as upload speed or future upgradabilty mean FTTC is only good out to 500 meters.

Johnboy1951 · 17-09-2015 12:59PM

bk wrote: »

Well the fibre is run from the exchange to the FTTC cabs in order to allow them to work. In doing this Eircom has future proofed for FTTH by running 24 fibres to each cab while that cab only uses 4 fibres. The other 20 fibres are for future FTTH upgrades.

So typically for FTTH the fibres will come from the exchange, run under the cab and then go to your house. So while they pass the cab, they aren't actually coming from it.

How many premises will they supply from those '20 fibres'?

guil · 17-09-2015 01:47PM

I think bk previously said 16 or 32 homes per fibre.

ED E · 17-09-2015 01:53PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

How many premises will they supply from those '20 fibres'?

10Gbps tx per port, split 64 ways at most. Likely implementation will be more like 10-20 subs per fibre.

Johnboy1951 · 17-09-2015 01:57PM

ED E wrote: »

10Gbps tx per port, split 64 ways at most. Likely implementation will be more like 10-20 subs per fibre.

guil wrote: »

I think bk previously said 16 or 32 homes per fibre.

I remember seeing 16/32/64 mentioned previously.

I was more wondering if there had been any firm commitment from Eircom regarding the numbers?

Hopefully it will be at the lower end as Ed E suggests.

ItHurtsWhenIP · 17-09-2015 02:21PM

The Cush wrote: »

@MMFITWGDV
I see your local exchange, Rearcross, and the other exchanges on that core fibre Kilcommon and Hollyford will have to wait for the NBP

<Mutters darkly under breath> :mad:

bk · 17-09-2015 03:02PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I remember seeing 16/32/64 mentioned previously.

I was more wondering if there had been any firm commitment from Eircom regarding the numbers?

Hopefully it will be at the lower end as Ed E suggests.

The tech can be up to 64, however in a previous Eircom Wholesale video about FTTH, they specifically mention 32, which is what I would expect.

So 640 homes coming out from under each cab and remember there are multiple cabs for each exchange.

Also I would assume in high density urban areas they probably ran a second or third bundle based on expected demand. For instance near my home in Dublin there are two FTTC cabs right next to each other, so I would assume a lot more fiber there.

In other words take these numbers as just rough guides, not gospel.

Also nothing stopping them running more bundles in future if demand rises. These bundles are pretty small, so easily fit in ducts, specially once they start decommissioning the old copper bundles.

Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

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