NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

bk · 06-08-2015 9:31pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Having said that I continue to believe there will be some fixed wireless points in the roll out, with the majority being served by FTTH.

I expect FTTH to be used for most premises, with LTE from Eircom and Vodafone masts to be used for a very small number of homes.

I don't expect to see any of the FWA companies win any of the contracts. They simply don't have the scale and presence for it.

ItHurtsWhenIP · 07-08-2015 8:47am

ACLFC7 wrote: »

The new August Report is out http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/communications/SiteCollectionDocuments/Broadband/FINAL%20August%20REPORT.pdf
It shows they're considering a Fixed Wireless Access Network

Ripplecom, being the biggest FWA provider in the country, is definitely worried about their future. This trial was a joke (as others have said, and I did over on the IoffL forum) with 7 customers, of course it'll be great speeds. But how many "potential" NBP customers are in that red triangle? Hundreds? Thousands? What kind of sh1t speed would they get from that mast if they were all connected to it? :eek:

This is the DCENR at least being seen to be doing the proper thing and looking at all of the options and then ignoring them when Eircom or Siro promise a true future proofed plan that meets the financial targets.

My little Broadband Group will definitely be making a submission on the public consultation to the NBP and we will definitely be calling for FTTH.

KOR101 · 07-08-2015 2:51pm

bk wrote: »

I don't expect to see any of the FWA companies win any of the contracts. They simply don't have the scale and presence for it.

The fact that the government plans to split the country into only 2 or 3 areas means they have no intention of giving the wireless companies a contract. It's one for Eircom, one for SIRO, and possibly one for another major player.

bk · 07-08-2015 3:50pm

KOR101 wrote: »

The fact that the government plans to split the country into only 2 or 3 areas means they have no intention of giving the wireless companies a contract. It's one for Eircom, one for SIRO, and possibly one for another major player.

Yes, if that ends up being the plan, then the wireless operators won't get a look in. They would only stand a chance of getting it if the contracts were broken down to per village size or something similar.

But if it is just 1 to 3 big contracts, then likely only Eircom and Siro would be big enough to win it.

Now as part of their contract Eircom/SIRO might use their own LTE and FWA to reach the most rural locations. But I'd expect they would use FTTH in most cases.

My only fear would be that imagine might win one of those contracts. I'd hate to be stuck in an area getting serviced by crappy Imagine service while the rest of the country gets hooked up to FTTH!

dbit · 07-08-2015 5:01pm

bk wrote: »

Yes, if that ends up being the plan, then the wireless operators won't get a look in. They would only stand a chance of getting it if the contracts were broken down to per village size or something similar.

But if it is just 1 to 3 big contracts, then likely only Eircom and Siro would be big enough to win it.

Now as part of their contract Eircom/SIRO might use their own LTE and FWA to reach the most rural locations. But I'd expect they would use FTTH in most cases.

My only fear would be that imagine might win one of those contracts. I'd hate to be stuck in an area getting serviced by crappy Imagine service while the rest of the country gets hooked up to FTTH!

I thought imagine in Dublin anyway had done some FTTH already - I'm not a Dub so could be wrong ?. Plus there is the whoaful traffic shaping being done on imagines lines - its pretty bad 24/7

bk · 07-08-2015 5:46pm

dbit wrote: »

I thought imagine in Dublin anyway had done some FTTH already - I'm not a Dub so could be wrong ?. Plus there is the whoaful traffic shaping being done on imagines lines - its pretty bad 24/7

Not that I'm aware of and certainly nothing about it on their site.

Maybe they have fiber to one or two new build buildings somewhere. Or perhaps you are mixing them up with Digiweb/Smart who do have a fiber network and also wireless?

ED E · 07-08-2015 9:34pm

That's magnet FTTBasement I suspect you're thinking of.

rob808 · 07-08-2015 10:36pm

bk wrote: »

Yes, if that ends up being the plan, then the wireless operators won't get a look in. They would only stand a chance of getting it if the contracts were broken down to per village size or something similar.

But if it is just 1 to 3 big contracts, then likely only Eircom and Siro would be big enough to win it.

Now as part of their contract Eircom/SIRO might use their own LTE and FWA to reach the most rural locations. But I'd expect they would use FTTH in most cases.

My only fear would be that imagine might win one of those contracts. I'd hate to be stuck in an area getting serviced by crappy Imagine service while the rest of the country gets hooked up to FTTH!

Yea that be terrible I suspect imagine and ripplecom will team up and try win some of NBP the problem with LTE is some areas it won't work like we're I live I can't get a good mobile reception so I wouldnt say fixed wireless would be great for me either.Im on DSL so I would hope since I'm on that I would get FTTH if I'm on Eircom side finger cross they win or siro.

ItHurtsWhenIP · 02-09-2015 11:05pm

I know it's only 10 days, but that might only be the beginning.

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/news-and-media/en-ie/Pages/PressRelease/Minister-White-extends-public-consultation-on-broadband-intervention.aspx

I wonder which stakeholders have been knocking on Alex White's door.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 13-09-2015 3:08am

The September Report has been published on the DCENR site. Interestingly it mentions a meeting the NBP team had with a new company, Gigabit Fibre Limited, which to quote the department "has been set up for the sole purpose of tendering for the NBP contract or contracts"

Doing a bit of searching I see it has been co-founded by ex-Eircom Business managing director Ronan Kneafsey.

Listed on Solocheck as directors (two of five) are:
Alan Harper
Andrew Sangster

Does anyone have any more information on this new entrant to the race?

rob808 · 13-09-2015 4:15am

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

The September Report has been published on the DCENR site. Interestingly it mentions a meeting the NBP team had with a new company, Gigabit Fibre Limited, which to quote the department "has been set up for the sole purpose of tendering for the NBP contract or contracts"

Doing a bit of searching I see it has been co-founded by ex-Eircom Business managing director Ronan Kneafsey.

Listed on Solocheck as directors (two of five) are:
Alan Harper
Andrew Sangster

Does anyone have any more information on this new entrant to the race?

Well going by the name I hope they do FTTH and not fixed wireless.

lawred2 · 14-09-2015 1:13pm

ED E wrote: »

They've published!

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/revealed-700000-homes-and-businesses-to-get-subsidised-fast-broadband-in-new-plan-30769126.html

Edit: Video

I'm a few kms from Dublin city centre and can't get fibre... will we be subsidised?

ItHurtsWhenIP · 14-09-2015 3:00pm

lawred2 wrote: »

I'm a few kms from Dublin city centre and can't get fibre... will we be subsidised?

Are you in a blue area or amber area?

If it's blue you are SOOL.

lawred2 · 14-09-2015 3:02pm

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

Are you in a blue area or amber area?

If it's blue you are SOOL.

SOOL?I'm guessing here; does that mean seriously out of luck?

How do I know if we're blue or amber?

ItHurtsWhenIP · 14-09-2015 3:10pm

lawred2 wrote: »

SOOL?I'm guessing here; does that mean seriously out of luck?

How do I know if we're blue or amber?

I wouldn't have put it quite so ... eloquently :rolleyes:, but you have the correct interpretation of the abbreviation.

To see if you are blue or amber, you can consult the relevant map here.

lawred2 · 14-09-2015 3:16pm

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

I wouldn't have put it quite so ... eloquently :rolleyes:, but you have the correct interpretation of the abbreviation.

To see if you are blue or amber, you can consult the relevant map here.

Is that map for real? It's a f**king picture from an ordnance survey map!? Seriously; this is a broadband initiative and in place of interactive maps; these lads are using pictures.

Good grief.

I think (THINK) we're in an amber area. But how could you tell really..

Actually, cross referencing with google maps, I think there's a big blue ballpoint blob right over where our house is. Must be because of that wonder ADSL cabinet we're all so lucky to be connected to.

MajesticDonkey · 14-09-2015 3:26pm

Try this instead: http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/communications/en-ie/Broadband/Pages/National-Broadband-Plan-Map-.aspx

lawred2 · 14-09-2015 3:31pm

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

Try this instead: http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/communications/en-ie/Broadband/Pages/National-Broadband-Plan-Map-.aspx

lol yeah; they've put our DSL cabinet in the blue zone

ItHurtsWhenIP · 14-09-2015 3:42pm

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

Try this instead: http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/communications/en-ie/Broadband/Pages/National-Broadband-Plan-Map-.aspx

That was the one I was looking for. It's been a while since I was on the site and I thought they'd dumped it for those crappy maps when the re-designed the site.

ItHurtsWhenIP · 14-09-2015 3:44pm

lawred2 wrote: »

lol yeah; they've put our DSL cabinet in the blue zone

Oh well - that means you are covered by a commercial operator, so you won't be entitled to 30Mbps/6Mbps if this plan ever takes off.

Are UPC in your area? They would be your best bet if possible.

lawred2 · 14-09-2015 3:52pm

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

Oh well - that means you are covered by a commercial operator, so you won't be entitled to 30Mbps/6Mbps if this plan ever takes off.

Are UPC in your area? They would be your best bet if possible.

they are

for MMDS

ItHurtsWhenIP · 14-09-2015 3:56pm

lawred2 wrote: »

they are

for MMDS

Oh sweet Jebus!

Johnboy1951 · 14-09-2015 9:31pm

the State will pay the cost of building a high speed broadband network,

That implies - to me - that the state is paying the full cost of the infrastructure.

I had previously seen discussion on whether the infrastructure would be privately owned; State owned; or jointly owned, without any definite outcome.

Might this mean the infrastructure will be State owned?

ItHurtsWhenIP · 14-09-2015 10:01pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

That implies - to me - that the state is paying the full cost of the infrastructure.

I had previously seen discussion on whether the infrastructure would be privately owned; State owned; or jointly owned, without any definite outcome.

Might this mean the infrastructure will be State owned?

I thought the plan was that the state would foot 50% of the cost, with the winning provider(s) paying the other 50%.

Whether it is Private/State/Jointly owned is up for decision. You can look at what is proposed and make a submission here.

rob808 · 14-09-2015 10:07pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

That implies - to me - that the state is paying the full cost of the infrastructure.

I had previously seen discussion on whether the infrastructure would be privately owned; State owned; or jointly owned, without any definite outcome.

Might this mean the infrastructure will be State owned?

i think it going to be 50/50 because isp that win has to match the money it get so say one company win it all they have to match 355m or 512m it cost to build.it be 1billion or 700m with ISP money.

funnyname · 15-09-2015 10:43am

They aren't taking into account the Eircom announcement re upgrading cabinets directly to ftth. Why?

niallb · 15-09-2015 11:27am

funnyname wrote: »

They aren't taking into account the Eircom announcement re upgrading cabinets directly to ftth. Why?

Because "announcements" are not a technology recognised to provide a measurable 30Mbit connection to a home.

funnyname · 15-09-2015 12:07pm

Loads of cabinets are down for upgrade to fttc and as such are announcements too but they are being included.

niallb wrote: »

Because "announcements" are not a technology recognised to provide a measurable 30Mbit connection to a home.

KOR101 · 15-09-2015 1:49pm

funnyname wrote: »

Loads of cabinets are down for upgrade to fttc and as such are announcements too but they are being included.

The government is skeptical that there really is a business case for providing FTTH for those 300,000 premises. They say in their recent updates that the are examining these proposals to assess their viability. So they won't exclude those premises from the NBP, unless they're satisfied that Eircom is not spoofing.

funnyname · 15-09-2015 6:46pm

Let's hope they start on the buildings not covered by Eircom's plans so that they don't end up wasting millions on rollout speeds that are obsolete before they begin.

KOR101 wrote: »

The government is skeptical that there really is a business case for providing FTTH for those 300,000 premises. They say in their recent updates that the are examining these proposals to assess their viability. So they won't exclude those premises from the NBP, unless they're satisfied that Eircom is not spoofing.

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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