Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

irishbucsfan · 08-09-2015 01:34AM

Trabejo wrote: »

That's what I'm saying pal.

Unless Murray or Reddan get injured within 48 hours of a match, in which case it will be Madigan.

Trabejo · 08-09-2015 01:47AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Unless Murray or Reddan get injured within 48 hours of a match, in which case it will be Madigan.

Trust me pal it would never come to that. There would be excuses made about faxes not processing or some other such nonsense explaining why the switch wasn't made before deadline day. You will never, and I repeat NEVER, see Ian Madigan playing 9 or covering 21 in a big Irish game.

irishbucsfan · 08-09-2015 02:03AM

Trabejo wrote: »

Trust me pal it would never come to that. There would be excuses made about faxes not processing or some other such nonsense explaining why the switch wasn't made before deadline day. You will never, and I repeat NEVER, see Ian Madigan playing 9 or covering 21 in a big Irish game.

Hah, OK whatever you say! :pac:

Trabejo · 08-09-2015 02:12AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Hah, OK whatever you say! :pac:

You've just got to trust me pal. We're all on the same side here. Shoulder to shoulder, in this together. If Schmidt actually considered Madigan as the third choice 9 I would drive Uncle Joe to the mental ward myself.

kuang1 · 08-09-2015 05:25AM

I feel a bit left out.

Can I be someone's pal?

Trabejo · 08-09-2015 07:11AM

kuang1 wrote: »

I feel a bit left out.

Can I be someone's pal?

I need a few pals after being perm banned from AH for being 'provocative' after posting a pic of my womans double fs (with bra on) in front of an open boards.ie page in the longford thread. Some welcome to the community

rrpc · 08-09-2015 08:38AM

Trabejo wrote: »

You've just got to trust me pal. We're all on the same side here. Shoulder to shoulder, in this together. If Schmidt actually considered Madigan as the third choice 9 I would drive Uncle Joe to the mental ward myself.

Well pal, you'd better get the car warmed up because this is what 'Uncle' Joe said:

"Ian Madigan will cover scrum half. It was in the back of our minds. I spoke to Ian about it last season. It's not suddenly. It's something Ian did some work on it off season so he's been quietly preparing himself for that to potentially happen.

"It wasn't what we were going to do. We had discussions with various players to play different positions. We knew we couldn't have total coverage with 31 players. Ian has done individual training. He hasn't trained in the team very much but in the last week he's started to slot in and do a little bit with the team.

"The decision (regarding the scrum halves) was based on minimising risk and while it is a risk in itself, I would like to think it is calculated. and we've
given it as much thought as we could. It allowed us a little more flexibility
further out (in the back-line)."

Buer · 08-09-2015 08:51AM

Thornley's gripe with EOS continues to run deep in his article today comparing the warm ups in 2007 to those of 2011. We lost all of our games in 2011 but GT seems to be pretty content with the preparation compared to 2007 when he is in his usual sneering tone towards EOS.

the starting team (aka the 15 “untouchables”), woefully undercooked in terms of cohesion.

they struggled so badly that they were virtually a beaten team by the time they encountered France and Argentina.

Starkly contrasts in terms of how gently he discusses the 4/4 defeats in the 2011 build up:

it is akin to 2011, when Declan Kidney and company juggled their resources for four fitful performances

Ireland found some rhythm against the USA and Russia, before beating Australia and thrashing Italy.

Except we struggled against the USA only crossing the whitewash in the second half, failing to secure a BP and turned it around against Australia in the next game before playing Russia....

awec · 08-09-2015 09:01AM

Trabejo wrote: »

I need a few pals after being perm banned from AH for being 'provocative' after posting a pic of my womans double fs (with bra on) in front of an open boards.ie page in the longford thread. Some welcome to the community

Stop being a total dick please. You're about as funny as syphilis, give it up.

wittycynic · 08-09-2015 09:02AM

Buer wrote: »

Thornley's gripe with EOS continues to run deep in his article today comparing the warm ups in 2007 to those of 2011. We lost all of our games in 2011 but GT seems to be pretty content with the preparation compared to 2007 when he is in his usual sneering tone towards EOS.

Starkly contrasts in terms of how gently he discusses the 4/4 defeats in the 2011 build up:

Except we struggled against the USA only crossing the whitewash in the second half, failing to secure a BP and turned it around against Australia in the next game before playing Russia....

Thornley is just staying in Kidney's good books so that he can profit upon Kidney's inevitable post-Schmidt return to the Ireland job.

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errlloyd · 08-09-2015 09:04AM

We did use the warm up games better in 2011. Dropped TOL, discovered Murray, gave both of our half back combinations a chance. Which ultimately ended up being vital. It was the confidence kidney had in switching to reddan and sexton that beat Australia.

Now I'm not saying kidney was a better coach than EOS, but he used the four losses better than Eddie.

Buer · 08-09-2015 09:13AM

errlloyd wrote: »

We did use the warm up games better in 2011. Dropped TOL, discovered Murray, gave both of our half back combinations a chance. Which ultimately ended up being vital. It was the confidence kidney had in switching to reddan and sexton that beat Australia.

Now I'm not saying kidney was a better coach than EOS, but he used the four losses better than Eddie.

No doubt but he's still viewing things quite differently to the reality of the situation. Essentially, our warm up in 2007 was two tests and then a match against a club side in France to give the first team a practice game.

The first test against Scotland was used to look at different players. Heaslip, Duffy, Ferris, Wallace at 10, Boss, Bowe, Carney, Young...all players starting who were never going to make the team and were fighting for a spot on the plane.

The Italian match was mostly first string with several others dropped in to see how they went (Best at openside, Murphy on the wing, Trimble in centre).

Podge_irl · 08-09-2015 09:18AM

errlloyd wrote: »

We did use the warm up games better in 2011. Dropped TOL, discovered Murray, gave both of our half back combinations a chance. Which ultimately ended up being vital. It was the confidence kidney had in switching to reddan and sexton that beat Australia.

Now I'm not saying kidney was a better coach than EOS, but he used the four losses better than Eddie.

TOL was only dropped because he put in some of the worst performances ever seen on a rugby pitch and Kidney then panicked and brought a woefully unready Murray. There was also no need to give all the half back combos a chance because Reddan/Sexton had already amply demonstrated against England in the 6N that they were easily the best combination.

Reddan and Sexton were indeed vital to beating Australia, but it had nothing to do with Kidney's confidence in them as he had none. That's why he picked such a stupid half back pairing against Wales.

The only benefit of the warm up games was that TOL was finally dropped. We went into that world cup not in great shape. I don't think the disaster in '07 had anything to do with the warm-up games specifically anyway. In the grand scheme of things they really don't mean that much one way or another.

I don't know what Thornley spent his time doing during that world cup, but his recollection of it is ropey.

rrpc · 08-09-2015 09:28AM

Podge_irl wrote: »

TOL was only dropped because he put in some of the worst performances ever seen on a rugby pitch and Kidney then panicked and brought a woefully unready Murray. There was also no need to give all the half back combos a chance because Reddan/Sexton had already amply demonstrated against England in the 6N that they were easily the best combination.

Reddan and Sexton were indeed vital to beating Australia, but it had nothing to do with Kidney's confidence in them as he had none. That's why he picked such a stupid half back pairing against Wales.

The half-back pairing was one part of the problem. Our defensive depth left the Welsh acres of space to run at us and we allowed them do it all day long. In attack we were just as deep and ran into a brick wall.

It was the exact opposite of the Australia match where we pressured them in defence and attack and used the choke tackle to perfection.

The real scandal was that Kidney couldn't seem to see this. It was as if he didn't know how we'd beaten Australia. There was also the ROG 'toys out of the pram' interview that may have influenced Kidney in selecting him for the Welsh match.

jacothelad · 08-09-2015 10:03AM

redmca2 wrote: »

Everything points to the fact that Henderson is where SOB was with Kidney before he broke into the first XV. On current form he will replace either Toner or POM.

Regarding Trimble, I definitely heard on some radio station a couple of weeks ago that he has a problem with games on Sundays a la Ewen Murray in Scotland ...... 3 of our pool matches are on Sundays, so that could explain a lot.

He doesn't. Man takes radio station crap as gospel shocker. Perhaps the radio station should have asked him before giving out incorrect info. As he said a few years ago on the matter, "It's my job. I do it when I need to do it."

smiley_face · 08-09-2015 10:21AM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Apparently Rob Kearney won't be back in full training until the second half of this week. Something wrong with his knee and he's on a reduced training schedule.

Slightly worrying considering we seem to be working with Zebo as second choice FB.

Just for the craic who would you call up if Rob K had to withdraw completely? Felix Jones as a specialist FB? Or move Payne back there given it's his natural position? Or rely on Jack of all trades, Ian Madigan?

I would regret Rob leaving the camp obviously, but if he had to go, then I would call up Felix Jones.
If it were within a 48 hour window of a match (therefore not allowed call up a replacement), then I would put Zebo at fullback and Fitzgerald on the wing with Dave Kearney right wing, and Earls or else Bowe on the bench as 23.
Other than that, last choice would be putting Robbie Henshaw at fullback leaving a Cave and Payne partnership in the centres (that Ulster pairing would be good IMO), with Zebo and Dave Kearney on the wings with Earls or Bowe on the bench as 23.
I wouldn't move Payne unless I absolutely had to, as I see him as our most pivotal player from 11 to 15; his presence in the 13 shirt gives us much needed stability and confidence.

jamesol · 08-09-2015 10:23AM

Anyone have any information or a link on the Ireland open training session in the RDS? Can't seem to find any information on the website.

mfceiling · 08-09-2015 10:27AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Trimbers was not a bad centre at all actually but was never going to get a sustained run there between injuries and the presence for so long of The Almighty and his side kick John the Baptist beside him.
Trimble can pass well, and has a good awareness of the play around him. Far better on both points than Earlsie for example.
I am surprised it hasnt been tried more.

Payne is a very solid full back, and offers a much better attacking option there than Rob, both counterattacking or as a link man who can straighten the line and pass it on.
Certainly offers a different flavour, certainly more interesting than Jones, but probably not one Joe has any interest in.

Bit concerned about Rob's fitness, and nervous about the idea of Zeebs starting a major game at 15, but that does seem to be the plan if necessary. I would prefer to see Paynser there if it had to happen.

Trimble isn't a great passer tbh. He definitely hasn't the hands for a centre.

total former · 08-09-2015 10:32AM

Buer wrote: »

Except we struggled against the USA only crossing the whitewash in the second half, failing to secure a BP and turned it around against Australia in the next game before playing Russia....

He also conveniently forgets that we really struggled to hit any sort of stride against Italy, when he says this:

Ireland found some rhythm against the USA and Russia, before beating Australia and thrashing Italy.

Were we level at half-time with Italy, before they collapsed in the second half? EDIT: nope, it was 9-6 at half-time. Not the stuff of thrashings.

Coming off the intensity of the Australia game, struggling to put Italy away should have had alarm bells ringing in Kidney's head. Apparently not the case.

Kidney really did lose it completely during that tournament. It's bizarre that Gerry is still standing by his man.

Buer · 08-09-2015 10:35AM

mfceiling wrote: »

Trimble isn't a great passer tbh. He definitely hasn't the hands for a centre.

Very true. Ulster gave him a sustained run in the centre (he didn't play on the wing for Ulster until his second season) and it didn't go great. You know when Mark McCall reckons you need to be more skilled to play 12 or 13, you're in trouble.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 08-09-2015 11:03AM

jamesol wrote: »

Anyone have any information or a link on the Ireland open training session in the RDS? Can't seem to find any information on the website.

Leinster are tweeting about it at the moment. Periscoping is too. What ever that means....

jacothelad · 08-09-2015 11:05AM

Buer wrote: »

Very true. Ulster gave him a sustained run in the centre (he didn't play on the wing for Ulster until his second season) and it didn't go great. You know when Mark McCall reckons you need to be more skilled to play 12 or 13, you're in trouble.

Mark McCall himself was one of the most skillful centres you'll ever see. I suspect if he had them at Sarries, he'd use them.

rrpc · 08-09-2015 11:11AM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Leinster are tweeting about it at the moment. Periscoping is too. What ever that means....

A kind of video Snapchat I believe.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 08-09-2015 11:12AM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Leinster are tweeting about it at the moment. Periscoping is too. What ever that means....

sending out a video

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 08-09-2015 11:19AM

rrpc wrote: »

A kind of video Snapchat I believe.

I understand it even less now.

b.gud · 08-09-2015 11:22AM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Leinster are tweeting about it at the moment. Periscoping is too. What ever that means....

It's a live video feed sourced from a mobile device. Anyone can do it, all you need is the app on your phone and a decent internet connection

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 08-09-2015 11:30AM

b.gud wrote: »

It's a live video feed sourced from a mobile device. Anyone can do it, all you need is the app on your phone and a decent internet connection

Live streaming, basically.

b.gud · 08-09-2015 11:32AM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Live streaming, basically.

Yup

LorMal · 08-09-2015 01:26PM

Buer wrote: »

Thornley's gripe with EOS continues to run deep in his article today comparing the warm ups in 2007 to those of 2011. We lost all of our games in 2011 but GT seems to be pretty content with the preparation compared to 2007 when he is in his usual sneering tone towards EOS.

He really set out to destroy Eddie O Sullivan. And he is relentless. I think he was an important factor in Eddie not being able to find a coaching role in Ireland for so long. Nasty.
For a while I thought he was doing the same to Madigan - never missing an opportunity to highlight an error or to heap praise on Jackson / Keatley. However, lately he seems to have mellowed on that.
When he gets fixated on an idea he repeats it ad nauseum. He is totally in love with Conor Murray - he almost drools every time he talks about him. (Seems to have fallen out of love with Sexton for the moment)

08-09-2015 01:36PM

I think Gerry's like or dislike for a given coach or player is directly proportional to the amount of access he has.

Hence for example he refused to call for Kidney to go at any point.

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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