"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 10:12PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

BS alert.

Please extrapolate?

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 10:12PM

FortySeven wrote:

I did lose my job. I found another. I've lost plenty homes in my time and I lost my entire family in one foul swoop. I've now created one of my own. I have been destitute and homeless and I have always bounced back, please don't assume I am some middle class keyboard warrior with a snoring room for when the nights get tough. I am so far removed from that it is comical.

FortySeven wrote:

We live on a small ball floating in a great void. We go half way round the world for a holiday yet begrudge giving others any ground whatsoever to protect ourselves from nothing more than competition. It is a sign of weakness, protectionism.

FortySeven wrote:

I am not afraid, I can compete. I'd like to give others the chance to join the fray. Are you afraid you may be found wanting? Better get used to the idea, one way or another there is a reckoning coming on this small ball of resources.

You've had several homes repossessed yet you got a mortgage a few months ago? Smell off bull off you is stink!

As for the rest of your post, lay off the drugs.

tomwaterford · 03-09-2015 10:12PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

There was plenty work here when the poles came over as you well know!

Yes....never said there wasn't??

People are raising concerns about culture etc (a culture that won't help others in huge need is not one to be proud of/associated with)

There will be work...it's not fair/right to expect them to sit around in refugee camps etc for years on end....not to mention what would happen if Isis were to overrun even one of these camps

If this was about welfare etc...there would be a trickle with years...to say people are running here for welfare alone is downright lying....look it most are seemingly wanting to go to Germany...not exactly the welfare capital of the world is it?

Dr. Mantis Toboggan · 03-09-2015 10:14PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

From speaking to people today in work and on the street these refugees aren't wanted at all.

Great, that's that issue decided then.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 10:15PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

You've had several homes repossessed yet you got a mortgage a few months ago? Smell off bull off you is stink!

As for the rest of your post, lay off the drugs.

I said I lost homes, never said I had them reposessed but hey, keep jumping on any assumed thing you think may win your argument. What was your argument again?

Galwayguy35 · 03-09-2015 10:16PM

800,000 on the beaches of Libya waiting to make their way across according to Simon Coveney, it's going to get a lot worse.

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 10:18PM

tomwaterford wrote:

Yes....never said there wasn't??

tomwaterford wrote:

People are raising concerns about culture etc (a culture that won't help others in huge need is not one to be proud of/associated with)

tomwaterford wrote:

There will be work...it's not fair/right to expect them to sit around in refugee camps etc for years on end....not to mention what would happen if Isis were to overrun even one of these camps

Im not one of these people who is afraid that "the foreigners will take our jobs", in fact I'm the opposite.
Currently, there isn't enough jobs for our population. What happens when these people come over, get housed and benefits with no work for them? They'll be ringing home to tell their families and friends that they've found paradise! You can't take a few then tell the rest to go swing.

JRant · 03-09-2015 10:18PM

FortySeven wrote: »

I did lose my job. I found another. I've lost plenty homes in my time and I lost my entire family in one foul swoop. I've now created one of my own. I have been destitute and homeless and I have always bounced back, please don't assume I am some middle class keyboard warrior with a snoring room for when the nights get tough. I am so far removed from that it is comical.

We live on a small ball floating in a great void. We go half way round the world for a holiday yet begrudge giving others any ground whatsoever to protect ourselves from nothing more than competition. It is a sign of weakness, protectionism.

I am not afraid, I can compete. I'd like to give others the chance to join the fray. Are you afraid you may be found wanting? Better get used to the idea, one way or another there is a reckoning coming on this small ball of resources.

All very noble and I would agree with the sentiment. However until the human race evolves to a point whereby wars, famine and pestilence are a thing of the past then we have no choice but to persist with controlled migration.

Like it or not, generations of our forefathers fought for the privileges we enjoy here and now. I welcome anyone who wants to come here legally and improve their lot.

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 10:20PM

FortySeven wrote:

I said I lost homes, never said I had them reposessed but hey, keep jumping on any assumed thing you think may win your argument. What was your argument again?

Your assuming all unemployed people don't want to work.

Your aloud your ridiculous assumptions but I am not?

tomwaterford · 03-09-2015 10:22PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

Im not one of these people who is afraid that "the foreigners will take our jobs", in fact I'm the opposite.
Currently, there isn't enough jobs for our population. What happens when these people come over, get housed and benefits with no work for them? They'll be ringing home to tell their families and friends that they've found paradise! You can't take a few then tell the rest to go swing.

Either way you can't let people out to hang/be killed when there looking for help...I'd sooner see the money spent housing/educating them spent in Ireland at least!!

The only real way to stop it is to stop the cause ie: ISIS...but no western country has the stomach for the type of battle which it will take

JRant · 03-09-2015 10:23PM

bubblypop wrote: »

So maybe we should sit back, let traffickers do their job, do you think they care whether people die or get where they want to go?
They take the money first, they don't care if people die.
It won't make any difference to their job if people die.

I'd like to think we care more than human traffickers.

Way to miss my point.

We should be sending those boats back. The flow would become a trickle very quickly.

Then we can concentrate on the geniune people stuck in the war torn areas. Give them proper assistance. Have an organised, planned migration policy in place. Bring them over here safely so we don't have to see any more drowned babies wash up on our shores.

Or we could keep going with the current setup and watch the body count rise.

03-09-2015 10:23PM

JRant wrote: »

All very noble and I would agree with the sentiment. However until the human race evolves to a point whereby wars, famine and pestilence are a thing of the past then we have no choice but to persist with controlled migration.

Like it or not, generations of our forefathers fought for the privileges we enjoy here and now. I welcome anyone who wants to come here legally and improve their lot.

And lots of our forefathers went to other countries.
Famine meant thousands left to find a better life.
They are refugees, they want a life!

Red21 · 03-09-2015 10:24PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

3 people on primetime all pro immigration, ah rte and there bias agenda.

I'd say you'd find very few who are willing to be seen on national t.v spouting the faceless bulloney that has been post up here in the last few weeks.

03-09-2015 10:25PM

JRant wrote: »

Way to miss my point.

We should be sending those boats back. The flow would become a trickle very quickly.

Then we can concentrate on the geniune people stuck in the war torn areas. Give them proper assistance. Have an organised, planned migration policy in place. Bring them over here safely so we don't have to see any more drowned babies wash up on our shores.

Or we could keep going with the current setup and watch the body count rise.

You want to send people fleeing for their lives back to where they are running from?
Where is your humanity?

Yes, there should be an official way of doing it properly, but until there is, you condemn people to death?

JRant · 03-09-2015 10:26PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

BS alert.

Well one needs to be signing on for a minimum of 3 months before being offered a jobsbridge position.

Not to sure you can just walk in off the street and get one.

Old Jakey · 03-09-2015 10:27PM

Why must Western Europe take the burden? Why not send a few thousand migrants to Japan or Israel?

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 10:27PM

bubblypop wrote: »

You want to send people fleeing for their lives back to where they are running from?
Where is your humanity?

Yes, there should be an official way of doing it properly, but until there is, you condemn people to death?

Syrians are being taken in The vast majority are not Syrian Keep up the emotive language.

JRant · 03-09-2015 10:28PM

bubblypop wrote: »

And lots of our forefathers went to other countries.
Famine meant thousands left to find a better life.
They are refugees, they want a life!

Yeah, have a walk around Elis island to see how they were treated.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 10:28PM

JRant wrote: »

Well one needs to be signing on for a minimum of 3 months before being offered a jobsbridge position.

Not to sure you can just walk in off the street and get one.

You cant, You can walk in and do an unpaid internship in any company though if they want to take you.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 10:30PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

Your assuming all unemployed people don't want to work.

Your aloud your ridiculous assumptions but I am not?

Brief history.

Lost mum at 3.
Lost dad and brothers and sisters at 11.
Kids home till 15.
Homeless, slept in railway station.
Drug addiction.
Prison.
Alcoholism.
Unemployed.
Prison.
Aged 27. Treatment.
Job.

Tell me, who is least likely to get a job? That would be me. Yet here I am, working, supporting my family. Not 1 qualification to my name, not even a junior cert. A criminal record and a history of addiction.

Don't talk to me about can't find a job. My CV is among the poorest you will ever see.

JRant · 03-09-2015 10:31PM

bubblypop wrote: »

You want to send people fleeing for their lives back to where they are running from?
Where is your humanity?

Yes, there should be an official way of doing it properly, but until there is, you condemn people to death?

The point I'm making is that by allowing the current situation to continue many more people will die.

My humanity is fine by the way. I just don't believe in letting the emotive nonsense get in the way of finding a workable solution.

Hurtbuthealing · 03-09-2015 10:33PM

FortySeven wrote: »

You need a visa for the UK?

No, but Irish are not there illegally or as bogus asylum seekers

JRant · 03-09-2015 10:35PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Brief history.

Lost mum at 3.
Lost dad and brothers and sisters at 11.
Kids home till 15.
Homeless, slept in railway station.
Drug addiction.
Prison.
Alcoholism.
Unemployed.
Prison.
Aged 27. Treatment.
Job.

Tell me, who is least likely to get a job? That would be me. Yet here I am, working, supporting my family. Not 1 qualification to my name, not even a junior cert. A criminal record and a history of addiction.

Don't talk to me about can't find a job. My CV is among the poorest you will ever see.

Then be very careful what you wish for. You've a good thing going and a family to support, good on ya. A huge influx of cheap labour will not do you or me any good in the long run.

johnty56 · 03-09-2015 10:36PM

i agree to a degree with what the UK chap posted about there being a 'reckoning' coming 'on this ball of ours'.

We are the wealthy, yes. They are not wealthy. They want what we have. Do you think that by letting a few of them, and millions- even tens of millions- of them in will stop the rest of them wanting it?

Like it or not, people are animals and actually even worse as they will kill to acquire not what they need, but what they want. People behave like animals.

It is after all mostly Syrians who are causing those genuinely fleeing Syria to have to flee. It is mostly afghans killing afghans, Muslims killing Muslims etc etc. Firstly- do you think they will stop trying to kill each other when they get here ( some have killed their compatriots on the boats here)?
Secondly- when do you think they will start trying to take what we have by force, and not by migrating?

Why should this phase of world history be any different from any other?

And no I am not trying to equate refugees to animals in a pejorative sense . I am an animal, you are an animal , they are animals.

Stheno · 03-09-2015 10:38PM

These people were in a safe country they fled from Syria to Turkey then due to not being classed as refugees for whatever reason they chose to try to get to Greece

Syria does not recognise Kurds so they had no passports and unless they registered with a refugee camp in Turkey they wouldn't be recognised as refugees

That's why their application to Canada failed as they were not classed as refugees

If they'd registered in Turkey they would have been, whole sort mess avoided

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 10:39PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

800,000 on the beaches of Libya waiting to make their way across according to Simon Coveney, it's going to get a lot worse.

And they are just the end of the first wave of illegal economic migrants.

Most of these illegals are not Syrian or fleeing any kind of danger or persecution and has been shown many times these illegals are getting organised and will pose significant threats to police in any country they congregate in like the groups in Calais and more recently the violence from those in Hungary who refuse to register in the first country they arrived into.

There is not enough money in Hungary for these illegal "money" migrants

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 10:40PM

JRant wrote: »

Then be very careful what you wish for. You've a good thing going and a family to support, good on ya. A huge influx of cheap labour will not do you or me any good in the long run.

TBH in my studies of history and comparisons of the current situation of the world, employment in 'the long run' is the least of my worries. We are a whisper away from a social catastrophe of biblical proportions. Babies on beaches are the least of our worries but we must step up to the plate that presents itself first. This is the current issue.

War is coming to us all, we may well find ourselves on a dinghy one of these days, begging for compassion.

JRant · 03-09-2015 10:40PM

johnty56 wrote: »

i agree to a degree with what the UK chap posted about there being a 'reckoning' coming 'on this ball of ours'.

We are the wealthy, yes. They are not wealthy. They want what we have. Do you think that by letting a few of them, and millions- even tens of millions- of them in will stop the rest of them wanting it?

Like it or not, people are animals and actually even worse as they will kill to acquire not what they need, but what they want. People behave like animals.

It is after all mostly Syrians who are causing those genuinely fleeing Syria to have to flee. It is mostly afghans killing afghans, Muslims killing Muslims etc etc. Firstly- do you think they will stop trying to kill each other when they get here ( some have killed their compatriots on the boats here)?
Secondly- when do you think they will start trying to take what we have by force, and not by migrating?

Why should this phase of world history be any different from any other?

And no I am not trying to equate refugees to animals in a pejorative sense . I am an animal, you are an animal , they are animals.

If you looked at Europe in 1945 you'd think it could never recover. Yet here we are 70 years later with peace in the region for most of that time.

It will take a political will that up until now has been missing to bring both the ME and Africa kicking and screaming into the 21st century. It wasn't the gun that brought peace and it never will be.

tonycascarino · 03-09-2015 10:44PM

Where does this end? So we let the Syrians in, more nations are going to chance their arm & flood in here. Are we going to accept them too? Europe is really going to be a phucked up place in 10 years.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 10:46PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Where does this end? So we let the Syrians in, more nations are going to chance their arm & flood in here. Are we going to accept them too? Europe is really going to be a phucked up place in 10 years.

More phucked up than 1945?
1918?
1453?

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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