"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 09:56PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

3 people on primetime all pro immigration, ah rte and there bias agenda.

I think the lad with glasses was trying to say we can't take many in but Miriam was trying to guilt him and blame him for not doing more.

He ain't pro.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 09:56PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Allowing them in is agreeing to use my taxes to support them. I don't need to give up my job or my home. There are many more deserving migrants than the wasters we currently throw tax money at.

Pretty big shoehorn to turn images of dead children to bashing the dole. So one has a free room the one will offer up ?

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 09:57PM

FortySeven wrote:

Allowing them in is agreeing to use my taxes to support them. I don't need to give up my job or my home. There are many more deserving migrants than the wasters we currently throw tax money at.

What's your problem with unemployed people at all? I'd love to see your attitude if you lose your job and get your house repossessed.

How do you know these migrants are more worthy of your taxes? You know them personally and know that they are good workers?

JRant · 03-09-2015 09:57PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I just can't believe the attitude of Irish people in all this.
There has been THOUSANDS of people drowned in the med this year alone.
There are thousands every day trying to save their families from war.

Who cares whether they are men, women or children?
Just let them start again somewhere, for gods sake, where is your compassion Ireland?

And it's exactly that kind of attitude that will lead to the deaths of many more.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 09:58PM

Nodin wrote: »

I think we went through that nonsense earlier in the thread.

So that's a no to actually doing something ? You know other than suggesting the tax payer to sort it out ? Tell me where will they work ?

Galwayguy35 · 03-09-2015 09:58PM

FortySeven wrote: »

You never answered my question? What exactly is it that makes you so insecure to share your country with other human beings?

I didn't answer because I never said that.

03-09-2015 09:58PM

JRant wrote: »

And it's exactly that kind of attitude that will lead to the deaths of many more.

Please explain?

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 09:58PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Pretty big shoehorn to turn images of dead children to bashing the dole. So one has a free room the one will offer up ?

Who said anything about the dole?

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 09:59PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I just can't believe the attitude of Irish people in all this.
There has been THOUSANDS of people drowned in the med this year alone.
There are thousands every day trying to save their families from war.

Who cares whether they are men, women or children?
Just let them start again somewhere, for gods sake, where is your compassion Ireland?

Why are they not stopping in the first safe country then ?

Galwayguy35 · 03-09-2015 10:00PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

The problem lies in deciding who is Syrian and who is from some other poor country with no war or strife.

All the current illegals on boats are claiming to be Syrian because they have a better chance as Syrians, illegals in the UK do the same thing with Iranians, Pakistani, Somalis Afghanis etc claiming to be from countries which asylum applications are accepted.

on some shots of people on boats in the Mediterranean some of them even had "Syria" written on their hands to remind them of where they should say they came from.

It will be nearly impossible to identify them because many have no passports.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 10:00PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Who said anything about the dole?

There are many more deserving migrants than the wasters we currently throw tax money at.

:rolleyes:

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 10:01PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I just can't believe the attitude of Irish people in all this.
There has been THOUSANDS of people drowned in the med this year alone.
There are thousands every day trying to save their families from war.

Who cares whether they are men, women or children?
Just let them start again somewhere, for gods sake, where is your compassion Ireland?

Most just want to get to the west for a better life and better prospects. they are not fleeing terror or in fear for their lives in their own countries, they are just like the Roma in essence but will work in the black economy which is possibly why so many political types and business people have no problem with the large numbers of cheap workers they can exploit.

Galwayguy35 · 03-09-2015 10:03PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

3 people on primetime all pro immigration, ah rte and there bias agenda.

Miriam doesn't even try to hide her leftie bias, as for the other one, it's the usual "let everyone in" rubbish.

tomwaterford · 03-09-2015 10:03PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why are they not stopping in the first safe country then ?

Because most likely it'll not be safe for long given the ambitions of Isis??

If Ireland took in near on 200k poles with relatively little trouble there's no reason it can't handle refugees?

Though the Asylm should be sorted quickly...not this messing of keeping them in limbo for years

JRant · 03-09-2015 10:05PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Please explain?

At the moment we have a situation whereby human traffickers are dictating policy. By accepting people illegally turning up at the EU's shores we have given them free reign.

Do you think these traffickers have the best interest of the migrants at heart or will they cram more and more people onto smaller boats to maximise their profit?

03-09-2015 10:05PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why are they not stopping in the first safe country then ?

Do you think that ALL refugees should stop in the first country? You don't think the rest of Europe/ the world should help?
We should leave them all in Greece/Turkey/ wherever they land?

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 10:05PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Most just want to get to the west for a better life and better prospects. they are not fleeing terror or in fear for their lives in their own countries, they are just like the Roma in essence but will work in the black economy which is possibly why so many political types and business people have no problem with the large numbers of cheap workers they can exploit.

TBH it's hard talking to the open borders people. They are completely blind they tend not to think of ending up on the dole due to a cheaper migrant doing the job for less money. Great for the ones who hire no so much for workers currently here. Entry level jobs will just disappear and be way below the minimum wage.

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 10:05PM

tomwaterford wrote:

If Ireland took in near on 200k poles with relatively little trouble there's no reason it can't handle refugees?

There was plenty work here when the poles came over as you well know!

Dontfadeaway · 03-09-2015 10:06PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I just can't believe the attitude of Irish people in all this.
There has been THOUSANDS of people drowned in the med this year alone.
There are thousands every day trying to save their families from war.

Who cares whether they are men, women or children?
Just let them start again somewhere, for gods sake, where is your compassion Ireland?

Say Ireland takes in thousands, everything you just said is still going to happen, what happened in the OP will still happen. People will see they are getting in and want the same for themselves, it could actually make it worse. It's not just a case of take them in and that is it sorted, it is going to continue. What will people say when Ireland can't take anymore and then another child washes up on the beach?

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 10:07PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

TBH it's hard talking to the open borders people. They are completely blind they tend not to think of ending up on the dole due to a cheaper migrant doing the job for less money. Great for the ones who hire no so much for workers currently here. Entry level jobs will just disappear and be way below the minimum wage.

Didn't hear much of this when we accepted 500k Chinese poles Etc over last decade.

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 10:07PM

From speaking to people today in work and on the street these refugees aren't wanted at all.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 10:08PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

What's your problem with unemployed people at all? I'd love to see your attitude if you lose your job and get your house repossessed.

How do you know these migrants are more worthy of your taxes? You know them personally and know that they are good workers?

I did lose my job. I found another. I've lost plenty homes in my time and I lost my entire family in one foul swoop. I've now created one of my own. I have been destitute and homeless and I have always bounced back, please don't assume I am some middle class keyboard warrior with a snoring room for when the nights get tough. I am so far removed from that it is comical.

We live on a small ball floating in a great void. We go half way round the world for a holiday yet begrudge giving others any ground whatsoever to protect ourselves from nothing more than competition. It is a sign of weakness, protectionism.

I am not afraid, I can compete. I'd like to give others the chance to join the fray. Are you afraid you may be found wanting? Better get used to the idea, one way or another there is a reckoning coming on this small ball of resources.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 10:09PM

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Say Ireland takes in thousands, everything you just said is still going to happen, what happened in the OP will still happen. People will see they are getting in and want the same for themselves, it could actually make it worse. It's not just a case of take them in and that is it sorted, it is going to continue. What will people say when Ireland can't take anymore and then another child washes up on the beach?

I think one will find, These hand-wringers will start changing their tune once their middle class areas start being populated by various migrant groups. It's great spouting tolerance until one has to deal with the reality.

03-09-2015 10:09PM

JRant wrote: »

At the moment we have a situation whereby human traffickers are dictating policy. By accepting people illegally turning up at the EU's shores we have given them free reign.

Do you think these traffickers have the best interest of the migrants at heart or will they cram more and more people onto smaller boats to maximise their profit?

So maybe we should sit back, let traffickers do their job, do you think they care whether people die or get where they want to go?
They take the money first, they don't care if people die.
It won't make any difference to their job if people die.

I'd like to think we care more than human traffickers.

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 10:09PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Any unemployed Irish could have had my current job. I got it by taking up a jobbridge place at my own behest, I walked in off the street and asked to go on jobbridge, worked my ass off and they employed me. The problem with the Irish unemployed is that they feel they are entitled to more than a job on a deli counter etc. Work is work. I have no time for the 'can't find a job' argument. They mean they can't find a job they want to do.

BS alert.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 10:10PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Didn't hear much of this when we accepted 500k Chinese poles Etc over last decade.

Link.

Balmed Out · 03-09-2015 10:10PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It will be nearly impossible to identify them because many have no passports.

Please, if the shoe were on the other foot and European migrants were heading to the middle east and the destination country felt only those from France were deserving do you think itd be difficult to work out give or take 10%.
Do you speak bla fluently, where is xyz, what does this slang word mean etc.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 10:11PM

FortySeven wrote: »

I did lose my job. I found another. I've lost plenty homes in my time and I lost my entire family in one foul swoop. I've now created one of my own. I have been destitute and homeless and I have always bounced back, please don't assume I am some middle class keyboard warrior with a snoring room for when the nights get tough. I am so far removed from that it is comical.

We live on a small ball floating in a great void. We go half way round the world for a holiday yet begrudge giving others any ground whatsoever to protect ourselves from nothing more than competition. It is a sign of weakness, protectionism.

I am not afraid, I can compete. I'd like to give others the chance to join the fray. Are you afraid you may be found wanting? Better get used to the idea, one way or another there is a reckoning coming on this small ball of resources.

You can compete with someone who will work for less ? it will be that simple.

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 10:11PM

FortySeven wrote: »

I did lose my job. I found another. I've lost plenty homes in my time and I lost my entire family in one foul swoop. I've now created one of my own. I have been destitute and homeless and I have always bounced back, please don't assume I am some middle class keyboard warrior with a snoring room for when the nights get tough. I am so far removed from that it is comical.

We live on a small ball floating in a great void. We go half way round the world for a holiday yet begrudge giving others any ground whatsoever to protect ourselves from nothing more than competition. It is a sign of weakness, protectionism.

I am not afraid, I can compete. I'd like to give others the chance to join the fray. Are you afraid you may be found wanting? Better get used to the idea, one way or another there is a reckoning coming on this small ball of resources.

And there's me thinking mother Theresa was dead.

03-09-2015 10:11PM

Dontfadeaway wrote: »

Say Ireland takes in thousands, everything you just said is still going to happen, what happened in the OP will still happen. People will see they are getting in and want the same for themselves, it could actually make it worse. It's not just a case of take them in and that is it sorted, it is going to continue. What will people say when Ireland can't take anymore and then another child washes up on the beach?

So your answer is, let's stay out of it?
Let's have nothing to do with it?

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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