"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 09:27PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I wonder will it just be families we take in or young single men as well who will be probably economic migrants.

Young, dynamic, risk taking men. Is this not what we crave? Future entrepreneurs? Would you prefer pensioners?

Why so insecure? You're on home turf as it is. Surely the competition is a good thing in a capitalist environment? You have the added benefits of family, friends, status and probably hereditary land, future inheritance etc,etc.

What exactly is it that you are afraid of?

Not having a dig. I'm genuinely curious.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 09:27PM

Nodin wrote: »

You mean the picture of a young man face down on the beach would be more appropriate.

If one feels so strongly why not give-up a spare room. Or is it easier just to type words on a website ?

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 09:28PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You mean the one's with Visas ? That's a nonsense statement.

You need a visa for the UK?

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 09:28PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

I would consider over a year to be long term unemployed. There is nothing I want more in life right now than a job! Very few people dont want to work.

I should add I have an interview on Tuesday so hopefully I can climb up on that horse with you and **** on all the dolers :-)

Best of luck and I really hope you don't climb on that particular horse

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 09:29PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Young, dynamic, risk taking men. Is this not what we crave? Future entrepreneurs? Would you prefer pensioners?

Why so insecure? You're on home turf as it is. Surely the competition is a good thing in a capitalist environment? You have the added benefits of family, friends, status and probably hereditary land, future inheritance etc,etc.

What exactly is it that you are afraid of?

Not having a dig. I'm genuinely curious.

That's not what happens throughout the EZ most end up doing very low paid jobs.

FalconGirl · 03-09-2015 09:29PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Yep puts things into perspective.

People whining over paying for water or the sacking of a garda.

I'll always say we don't realise how lucky we have it in Ireland.

Come off it. That's a few time people mentioned domestic issues. Nothing wrong with demanding better accountability and transparency in our Government. Keeps them on their toes.

But it really does put our day to day life in perspective. I just said that to my other half. We have won the lottery of life.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 09:29PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Totally different scenario, you do realise that?

Yes?

No, I don't. Can't get jobs that pay well enough, leave for better prospects. Please explain the difference?

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 09:30PM

FortySeven wrote: »

You need a visa for the UK?

I'm not engaging further one knows the difference between ME/African economic migrants and Irish people working aboard.

0 out of 10

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 09:32PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

No, I'm not. I said most probably can't speak English. I'd say that inm correct in assuming that.

I'd say you're wide of the mark. We (Ireland & UK) are crap at learning other languages.

In one of my teams of four there are nine (I think) languages that can be spoken fluently. English is probably the weakest yet it is still spoken and written at a high standard.

Galwayguy35 · 03-09-2015 09:35PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Young, dynamic, risk taking men. Is this not what we crave? Future entrepreneurs? Would you prefer pensioners?

Why so insecure? You're on home turf as it is. Surely the competition is a good thing in a capitalist environment? You have the added benefits of family, friends, status and probably hereditary land, future inheritance etc,etc.

What exactly is it that you are afraid of?

Not having a dig. I'm genuinely curious.

Economic migrants should gain entry to our country the legal way, apply for a visa and if successful then no issue here.

I can see why families especially from Syria would enter Europe illegally and while I don't agree with how they do it now that they are in Europe wouldn't object to taking them in.

Young men trying to get in the easy way, no way should they be accepted, most of them are poorly educated anyway no no real benefit to us.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 09:35PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I'm not engaging further one knows the difference between ME/African economic migrants and Irish people working aboard.

0 out of 10

If one knows may one please explain because I see no difference except geographical location.

Galwayguy35 · 03-09-2015 09:37PM

FortySeven wrote: »

No, I don't. Can't get jobs that pay well enough, leave for better prospects. Please explain the difference?

Sigh.

Thought it was obvious, they do it legally.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 09:37PM

I should add, I am an economic migrant. I came from the UK during the boom. My partner was an economic migrant from Poland to the Uk before coming here with me. Tell me how I am different from a Syrian looking to get a better life. Birthright?
Geography?

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 09:38PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Economic migrants should gain entry to our country the legal way, apply for a visa and if successful then no issue here.

I can see why families especially from Syria would enter Europe illegally and while I don't agree with how they do it now that they are in Europe wouldn't object to taking them in.

Young men trying to get in the easy way, no way should they be accepted, most of them are poorly educated anyway no no real benefit to us.

Syrians already get taken in, These images are being used to open the floodgates with a guilt trip. It's misery porn plain and simple. It does not reflect the reality of who is migrating. Women and children make up a very small % of those moving.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 09:38PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Sigh.

Thought it was obvious, they do it legally.

Why are there so many Irish stuck in the US begging for a change in the law then?

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 09:40PM

FortySeven wrote: »

I should add, I am an economic migrant. I came from the UK during the boom. My partner was an economic migrant from Poland to the Uk before coming here with me. Tell me how I am different from a Syrian looking to get a better life. Birthright?
Geography?

The attitude from a lot of people today is we should look after our own first.

Maybe you should leave and give your job to an unemployed Irish person seems we should look after our own first:)

The ridiculous stuff people come out with. They actually don't understand what their trying to say.

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 09:43PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Ridiculous to compare a very small number of Irish abroad with no Visas to the emptying of the ME and some African states.

Emptying?

Galwayguy35 · 03-09-2015 09:44PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Why are there so many Irish stuck in the US begging for a change in the law then?

No sympathy here for them, don't see why they should get any special treatment, they also broke the law.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 09:44PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

The attitude from a lot of people today is we should look after our own first.

Maybe you should leave and give your job to an unemployed Irish person seems we should look after our own first:)

The ridiculous stuff people come out with. They actually don't understand what their trying to say.

Any unemployed Irish could have had my current job. I got it by taking up a jobbridge place at my own behest, I walked in off the street and asked to go on jobbridge, worked my ass off and they employed me. The problem with the Irish unemployed is that they feel they are entitled to more than a job on a deli counter etc. Work is work. I have no time for the 'can't find a job' argument. They mean they can't find a job they want to do.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 09:44PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

The attitude from a lot of people today is we should look after our own first.

Maybe you should leave and give your job to an unemployed Irish person seems we should look after our own first:)

The ridiculous stuff people come out with. They actually don't understand what their trying to say.

I would just love if people put their money where their mouth is. Give rooms offer up their job. It's typical nonsense talk. Back slapping and high fiving of how caring they are without actually doing anything.

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 09:44PM

FortySeven wrote: »

You need a visa for the UK?

Not yet, give it time.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 09:46PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No sympathy here for them, don't see why they should get any special treatment, they also broke the law.

You never answered my question? What exactly is it that makes you so insecure to share your country with other human beings?

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 09:47PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Economic migrants should gain entry to our country the legal way, apply for a visa and if successful then no issue here.

I can see why families especially from Syria would enter Europe illegally and while I don't agree with how they do it now that they are in Europe wouldn't object to taking them in.

Young men trying to get in the easy way, no way should they be accepted, most of them are poorly educated anyway no no real benefit to us.

The problem lies in deciding who is Syrian and who is from some other poor country with no war or strife.

All the current illegals on boats are claiming to be Syrian because they have a better chance as Syrians, illegals in the UK do the same thing with Iranians, Pakistani, Somalis Afghanis etc claiming to be from countries which asylum applications are accepted.

on some shots of people on boats in the Mediterranean some of them even had "Syria" written on their hands to remind them of where they should say they came from.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 09:50PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I would just love if people put their money where their mouth is. Give rooms offer up their job. It's typical nonsense talk. Back slapping and high fiving of how caring they are without actually doing anything.

Allowing them in is agreeing to use my taxes to support them. I don't need to give up my job or my home. There are many more deserving migrants than the wasters we currently throw tax money at.

JONJO THE MISER · 03-09-2015 09:51PM

3 people on primetime all pro immigration, ah rte and there bias agenda.

JRant · 03-09-2015 09:53PM

FortySeven wrote: »

I should add, I am an economic migrant. I came from the UK during the boom. My partner was an economic migrant from Poland to the Uk before coming here with me. Tell me how I am different from a Syrian looking to get a better life. Birthright?
Geography?

Ireland and the UK have a unique relationship. Both countries histories have been intertwined for over 800 years. But then you ahould know this.

Regarding the EU project and the right to travel amounst member states. I'll have to bring you back to the small matter of both World wars. It was decided after the second one that a new approach was needed and has brought unparalleled peace to the region.

So yes, birthplace and geography play a part but the main reason is historical.

Letree · 03-09-2015 09:53PM

FortySeven wrote: »

I should add, I am an economic migrant. I came from the UK during the boom. My partner was an economic migrant from Poland to the Uk before coming here with me. Tell me how I am different from a Syrian looking to get a better life. Birthright?
Geography?

You are part of an agreed Union. Syria is not part of that. Nor should they be.

Nodin · 03-09-2015 09:55PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

If one feels so strongly why not give-up a spare room. Or is it easier just to type words on a website ?

I think we went through that nonsense earlier in the thread.

03-09-2015 09:55PM

I just can't believe the attitude of Irish people in all this.
There has been THOUSANDS of people drowned in the med this year alone.
There are thousands every day trying to save their families from war.

Who cares whether they are men, women or children?
Just let them start again somewhere, for gods sake, where is your compassion Ireland?

babyteeth · 03-09-2015 09:55PM

Lets be honest... even the image of a drowned baby washed up on a beach cant melt a heart of stone

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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