"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

JRant · 03-09-2015 08:43PM

TOMs WIFE wrote: »

A few people speaking on behalf of their countrymen this evening (from RTE). Clearly they believe they are speaking on behalf of the majority.

This evening Minister for the Environment Alan Kelly said he thinks Ireland will be taking a volume of refugees "in the thousands" in the coming years.

Mr Kelly said the matter will be discussed at Government and the country will take its fair share of refugees.

He said: "Irish people want us as a country to step up to the mark and we will... This Government is going to show leadership in order to do that. "

The Minister of State at the Department of Justice with responsibility for Direct Provision has said the Government will make an announcement in the next few days about increasing the number of refugees to be accepted into Ireland.

Aodhán Ó Ríordáin said the Department of Foreign Affairs, the Department of Defence and the Department of Justice have been working on the issue.
He said that the number of refugees will be a multiple of the 600 figure which we have already agreed to accept.

He said: "If people are asking does the Irish Government intend to work and play a lead role in this and intend to take its responsibility seriously? Yes we do."

Mr Ó Ríordáin said the numbers Ireland had committed to were not enough.
Minister of State, Kathleen Lynch also said the 600 figure was not enough. "Ireland should step up to the mark" she said.

Archbishop of Dublin Diarmud Martin has said parishes in Ireland would be willing to take in refugees.

The archbishop said it was not just a question of numbers but of "when can we start?"

They're falling over each other to be seen as more righteous than the next.

Absolutely sickening to see.

tonycascarino · 03-09-2015 08:44PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Yes indeed they are! it turns out now that most of the "migrants" that were trying to leave Hungary in the last two days are not Syrian at all but a mix of Afghani, Pakistani, Indian and Iranian and not entitled to travel through Europe claiming to be fleeing terror or persecution

That's a major issue I have. There are going to be many pretending they are Syrian & use the refugee card just to get their foot into Europe.

Wanderer78 · 03-09-2015 08:46PM

Bacchus wrote: »

Oh yeah, totally but I think we're desensitized to that. There have been bloody beheadings, torture, war, rape and violence for years and decades. We're used to hearing about that happening in those really far away countries that we don't really need to be concerned about. Also, the recent deaths with the "migrants" around Europe were happening to "opportunistic migrants", not frightened refugees. There wasn't the widespread knowledge that these people were victims as opposed to opportunists. It's hard to paint a dead child washed up on a beach as a migrant looking for a better life in Europe which is part of why I think this image has such an impact too. There is no excuse to hide behind here. This isn't a war thousands of miles away between savages. This is a child, at our doorstep, who died frightened and alone and was tossed out by the sea, washed up on a beach like a dead animal.

im not sure ive been desensitised. every image ive seen has been logged for ever. i can still hear the screams of that poor jordanian pilot. this is a disaster

JRant · 03-09-2015 08:46PM

Bacchus wrote: »

Oh yeah, totally but I think we're desensitized to that. There have been bloody beheadings, torture, war, rape and violence for years and decades. We're used to hearing about that happening in those really far away countries that we don't really need to be concerned about. Also, the recent deaths with the "migrants" around Europe were happening to "opportunistic migrants", not frightened refugees. There wasn't the widespread knowledge that these people were victims as opposed to opportunists. It's hard to paint a dead child washed up on a beach as a migrant looking for a better life in Europe which is part of why I think this image has such an impact too. There is no excuse to hide behind here. This isn't a war thousands of miles away between savages. This is a child, at our doorstep, who died frightened and alone and was tossed out by the sea, washed up on a beach like a dead animal.

Yes and he died because human traffickers are the ones who decide who is worthy and who isn't.

Until this policy is stopped then we can expect a lot more poor little souls being lost at sea.

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 08:49PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

That's a major issue I have. There are going to be many pretending they are Syrian & use the refugee card just to get their foot into Europe.

That is why refugee centres are the only logical option, just look at how animated the economic illegal migrants became at the railway stations in Hungary when the train to the border stopped hundreds of miles short and they were told they were going to a refugee centre! If they try giving the Hungarians any aggro those stations will be cleared of journalists and cameras and the police will take control of the illegal migrants by force if necessary!

Tzardine · 03-09-2015 08:53PM

What a heartbreaking photo. It is among the most striking photos of this century.

I hear a lot of talk about where to send the refugees. Why not just sort the ****1ng problem in Syria and eliminate the source.

Such a sad situation. And people spending their days concerned about Irish Water and O Brien.

The_Kew_Tour · 03-09-2015 08:53PM

efb wrote: »

Equal rights in May, Basic Human Rights in September

Equal rights for 10% more, not all.

KingBrian2 · 03-09-2015 08:54PM

Europe must assist the Christian, Kurd & Yazidi market towns that are being squeezed by the Shi'ite/Sunni religious extremists in Iraq.

jon1981 · 03-09-2015 08:55PM

I'm sitting here channel surfing, oh what to watch. I jump to the internet searching for reviews of the latest racer bike, procrastinating on what to purchase. My mind switches to the weekend, how am I going to fit the gaa and the rugby in, can I manage a day on the booze. Sunday, hmm perhaps I'll catch up with friends or family over a coffee but not before I take a long nice cycle up the coast...

Man I feel guilty as **** after the last week of all those haunting images of those poor refugees. What did I do to deserve the life I have? F**k all is the answer, they were dealt horrendous cards by God or what ever higher being you believe in.

Me? I just got lucky.

This world sucks.

tonycascarino · 03-09-2015 08:55PM

Tzardine wrote: »

I hear a lot of talk about where to send the refugees. Why not just sort the ****1ng problem in Syria and eliminate the source.

That's another thing - why aren't ISIS being eliminated? Makes zero sense.

Wanderer78 · 03-09-2015 08:58PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

That's another thing why aren't ISIS being eliminated. Makes zero sense.

will this force change in regards this approach

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 08:59PM

jon1981 wrote: »

I'm sitting here channel surfing, oh what to watch. I jump to the internet searching for reviews of the latest racer bike, procrastinating on what to purchase. My mind switches to the weekend, how am I going to fit the gaa and the rugby in, can I manage a day on the booze. Sunday, hmm perhaps I'll catch up with friends or family over a coffee but not before I take a long nice cycle up the coast...

Man I feel guilty as **** after the last week of all those haunting images of those poor refugees. What did I do to deserve the life I have? F**k all is the answer, they were dealt horrendous cards by God or what ever higher being you believe in.

Me? I just got lucky.

This world sucks.

Yep puts things into perspective.

People whining over paying for water or the sacking of a garda.

I'll always say we don't realise how lucky we have it in Ireland.

WakeUp · 03-09-2015 09:00PM

according to the sultan of Constantinople this is our fault....the people of Europe have done this.

ANKARA - Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday lashed out at EU states for turning the Mediterranean into a "cemetery" for migrants, accusing Europe of being responsible for the death of every single victim.

"European countries, which turned the Mediterranean Sea -- the cradle of ancient civilisations -- into a migrant cemetery are party to the crime that takes place when each refugee loses their life," Erdogan said in a speech in Ankara.

quite the nugget coming from a man and country actively supporting islamists and jihadis in Syria. actually this isnt our fault Erdogan. fck and off.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=72991

fedor.2. · 03-09-2015 09:00PM

jon1981 wrote: »

I'm sitting here channel surfing, oh what to watch. I jump to the internet searching for reviews of the latest racer bike, procrastinating on what to purchase. My mind switches to the weekend, how am I going to fit the gaa and the rugby in, can I manage a day on the booze. Sunday, hmm perhaps I'll catch up with friends or family over a coffee but not before I take a long nice cycle up the coast...

Man I feel guilty as **** after the last week of all those haunting images of those poor refugees. What did I do to deserve the life I have? F**k all is the answer, they were dealt horrendous cards by God or what ever higher being you believe in.

Me? I just got lucky.

This world sucks.

Your post is actually quiet pathetic, if I'm honest. If you feel that way, just jog on and head east.

These poor misfortunate people should get all the help they need, but posts like yours just piss me right off.

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 09:03PM

Tzardine wrote: »

What a heartbreaking photo. It is among the most striking photos of this century.

I hear a lot of talk about where to send the refugees. Why not just sort the ****1ng problem in Syria and eliminate the source.

Such a sad situation. And people spending their days concerned about Irish Water and O Brien.

If they were all Syrian it would be easy enough to sort out but the problem won't end by sorting out Syria!

Most of the people in those boats and on land trying to get to rich western countries are not in fear for their lives but just want to be wealthy. Most are coming from Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Nigeria, Somalia, the list is endless but they all have one thing in common that sets them apart from true Syrians! they have no right to claim asylum or refugee status because at least 80% are economic migrants and the only way to stop them is to prevent them entering Europe at all!

03-09-2015 09:05PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

That's another thing - why aren't ISIS being eliminated? Makes zero sense.

Because the Americans, the Saudis and the British are out to get Assad and Turkey are out to get the Kurds. ISIS are enemy number two behind the above mentioned rivalries, and ISIS can't/won't be defeated if it benefits the Shia or the Kurds.

jon1981 · 03-09-2015 09:08PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Your post is actually quiet pathetic, if I'm honest. If you feel that way, just jog on and head east.

Is that where I'll find you? rather than hiding behind your keyboard...

Bacchus · 03-09-2015 09:10PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Your post is actually quiet pathetic, if I'm honest. If you feel that way, just jog on and head east.

These poor misfortunate people should get all the help they need, but posts like yours just piss me right off.

I think his post sums up fairly well how a lot of people are feeling. One can feel sympathetic to the plight of the Syrians but not be obliged to "head east" to justify how they feel.

This image had me thinking how I was probably fast asleep in my cosy bed last night while this happened. It does put things in perspective but I'm not going to go off east and leave my life and my family behind to go fight the cause. Coming home again after work today, cooking dinner with my wife, hanging out, getting ready for the day ahead tomorrow, my mind does drift to what is going on on the edge of the EU. If everyone who felt bad about what was happening had to go to Syria in order to not be "pathetic" as you put it, there'd be no one left in Ireland.

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 09:10PM

jon1981 wrote: »

Is that where I'll find you? rather than hiding behind your keyboard...

I really don't understand his/her response to your post either.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 09:17PM

Has not taken long for this story to be presented as the reality of the migrant situation, It's very sad this has happened. But the reality is actually Young single men. The news networks really do love their misery porn.

Galwayguy35 · 03-09-2015 09:18PM

I wonder will it just be families we take in or young single men as well who will be probably economic migrants.

Nodin · 03-09-2015 09:19PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Has not taken long for this story to be presented as the reality of the migrant situation,..........

You mean the picture of a young man face down on the beach would be more appropriate.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 09:20PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I wonder will it just be families we take in or young single men as well who will be probably economic migrants.

Will we also close our border to stop our economic migrants from leaving?

jon1981 · 03-09-2015 09:21PM

Nodin wrote: »

You mean the picture of a young man face down on the beach would be more appropriate.

Agreed, I've been haunted by the horrific things that humans have done to other humans in Syria and co. Sadly it does take this picture of innocence to drive it home.

And whats worse, ISIS still got them in the end.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 09:22PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Will we also close our border to stop our economic migrants from leaving?

You mean the one's with Visas ? That's a nonsense statement.

Bacchus · 03-09-2015 09:23PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You mean the one's with Visas ? That's a nonsense statement.

And what about the ones without visas. There's quite a few of those too you know.

Stinicker · 03-09-2015 09:24PM

5 years ago this was accurately predicted in a pretty dystopian albeit right-wing video posted on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfSwodC_vR8

It does give a frightening outlook and really what is needed is tougher border controls and it is not for Europe to rescue them all. One child whilst incredibly sad to see drowned on a beach, what about the thousands slaughtered by the Islamic State? I am of the opinion we should not be allowing them in and that Europe should seal its borders, the EU and Eurozone is already in a technical economic depression besides importing millions of economic migrants (which is what the majority are) and then for these people to be reliant on Social Welfare programmes; Irish and European taxpayers will bear the brunt. Europe should help with military assistance and bomb the ISIS back to the stone age. These people belong in Syria and their respective countries not over here where we have enough problems already.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 09:25PM

Bacchus wrote: »

And what about the ones without visas. There's quite a few of those too you know.

Ridiculous to compare a very small number of Irish abroad with no Visas to the emptying of the ME and some African states.

Galwayguy35 · 03-09-2015 09:26PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Will we also close our border to stop our economic migrants from leaving?

Totally different scenario, you do realise that?

Yes?

Massimo Cassagrande · 03-09-2015 09:26PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Your post is actually quiet pathetic, if I'm honest. If you feel that way, just jog on and head east.

These poor misfortunate people should get all the help they need, but posts like yours just piss me right off.

Yeah yeah. Come back in a few years and see how well you're getting on with these "poor misfortunate people".

This has to be the nuttiest, hand-wringiest, most dopey phase of "The European Project".
"Let's let in hundred of thousands of Refugees, no feck it, let's take millions - It'll be grand- right now, with no criteria, filters or limits".

Why did we bother with the last 50 years of Emmigration policy so? Why did we set the bar "so high"? Why open the floodgates now, but break peoples hearts to get in for the last 5 decades? Were we deluded for the last 50 years? Did we have it so wrong? Sure feck Visas - they're for totalitarian basterds, let everyone in...

That'll end well no doubt. Good plan..sure what could go wrong? It'll be like the old woman in the big house who starts taking in stray cats..and then ends up buried in hundreds of stray cats, with the house covered in sh1t.

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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