Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

rrpc · 03-09-2015 02:34PM

connachta wrote: »

13 minutes not enough. All I meant is that 30 more on the bench against Wales the 2nd time could have been. But it wasn't about Marms, it was on on the substance of the case. Three long weeks I read "Joe already made his mind with trainning", "games are just warn-up'. No they did, or could have mattared for anyone having played enough and good rugby

I'm sorry but I just can't make head or tail of what you're trying to say here.

The only thing I can make out is that you're still saying that posters (plural and many by your tone) were saying that it was ALL based on training. I'm saying that you haven't proven that one iota.

You first quoted a post about interpros which you quoted out of context and when it was looked up, you were called on it.

Then you quoted another post out of context and tried to make the word 'primarily' mean something else entirely.

You said 'posters'. Plural. Many. More than one. You haven't come up with anything to back that up.

That's the substance of the case :rolleyes:

rrpc · 03-09-2015 02:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

When I become an international rugby player, my twitter handle will be something obscene to stamp out this nonsense

Something to be said for Eoin Reddan, Nathan White and Jonny Sexton.

Although every so often they make up a twitter handle for Jonny

Quint2010 · 03-09-2015 02:50PM

Is RK out with injury? If not he should be a worried man.

.ak · 03-09-2015 02:55PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

Is RK out with injury? If not he should be a worried man.

Why would he be? He had a great performance in his last game.

lawred2 · 03-09-2015 02:57PM

WeleaseWoderick wrote: »

Still hate the team listings being done with Twitter handles!!

what's this now?

Quint2010 · 03-09-2015 02:58PM

.ak wrote: »

Why would he be? He had a great performance in his last game.

Yeah and what I am saying is if he isn't injured then why isn't he playing?

phog · 03-09-2015 02:58PM

With Zebo stepping into the fullback position it gives Dave K another opportunity to play on the wing. That might help him cement a place on the team. No place for Fitz or Earls, though Earls must still be an injury concern.

Buer · 03-09-2015 02:59PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Is Zebo being given a legitimate shot at the 15 shirt? With no back three player on the bench he's going to play the 80. 11 and 15 aside that's a first choice team. At the very least it's a good sign for Zebo being in the first choice 23.

A shot at the 15 shirt? Nah, hugely doubtful especially after last week's showing from RK.

However, he's definitely in our 23 at this point either at 11 or 23. I think RK being absent gives Schmidt a nice opportunity to have a look at both DK and Zebo from the start and see how their form continues. Left wing is probably the only shirt still up for grabs.

lawred2 · 03-09-2015 03:00PM

phog wrote: »

With Zebo stepping into the fullback position it gives Dave K another opportunity to play on the wing. That might help him cement a place on the team. No place for Fitz or Earls, though Earls must still be an injury concern.

Has Fitzgerald done anywhere near enough? I personally don't think so.

Buer · 03-09-2015 03:01PM

phog wrote: »

With Zebo stepping into the fullback position it gives Dave K another opportunity to play on the wing. That might help him cement a place on the team. No place for Fitz or Earls, though Earls must still be an injury concern.

Don't think either of them are going to threaten the starting line up on recent showings. Possibly the 23 jersey, especially if Zebo gets the nod at 11.

shuffol · 03-09-2015 03:07PM

I just hope Kearney and Zebo aren't afraid to pass the ball to each other!

connachta · 03-09-2015 03:08PM

rrpc wrote: »

I'm sorry but I just can't make head or tail of what you're trying to say here.

The only thing I can make out is that you're still saying that posters (plural and many by your tone) were saying that it was ALL based on training. I'm saying that you haven't proven that one iota.

You first quoted a post about interpros which you quoted out of context and when it was looked up, you were called on it.

Then you quoted another post out of context and tried to make the word 'primarily' mean something else entirely.

You said 'posters'. Plural. Many. More than one. You haven't come up with anything to back that up.

That's the substance of the case :rolleyes:

Right, I'll document my stance again later

padser · 03-09-2015 03:17PM

connachta wrote: »

Right, I'll document my stance again later

Please don't

connachta · 03-09-2015 03:32PM

padser wrote: »

Please don't

I have to, I was attacked

Noopti · 03-09-2015 03:33PM

Honour demands it..... :rolleyes:

Quint2010 · 03-09-2015 03:36PM

Buer wrote: »

Don't think either of them are going to threaten the starting line up on recent showings. Possibly the 23 jersey, especially if Zebo gets the nod at 11.

Not so sure about that. Everyone saying RK played well last Saturday. And he certainly didnt play badly. Just wondering is Schmidt looking to inject some zip and unpredictability into the attack by picking Zebo for this match? Zebo certainly impressed against Wales away and played as well as Kearney did against Wales against Scotland. In fact he was pretty flawless in the basics which lets face it are what Kearney is picked for. If Kearney is not injured then there is no other reason he shouldnt be picked for this match apart from the fact that Schmidt sees Zebo as a viable alternative to him at FB.

irishbucsfan · 03-09-2015 03:44PM

I reckon Rowntree will be looking to give Furlong a real test. I think we'll see them leave Cole on, which would be a bit of a baptism of fire for him.

Squidgy Black · 03-09-2015 03:47PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I reckon Rowntree will be looking to give Furlong a real test. I think we'll see them leave Cole on, which would be a bit of a baptism of fire for him.

It'll definitely be a big challenge, but if it all plays out well it'll but a lot of people's fears and apprehension at rest.

Buer · 03-09-2015 03:49PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

Just wondering is Schmidt looking to inject some zip and unpredictability into the attack by picking Zebo for this match?

It would go against everything we've seen with Ireland thus far where we're all about ball retention and the basics executed well.

In fact he was pretty flawless in the basics which lets face it are what Kearney is picked for

He wasn't. He did some lovely things in attack but there was some of the basics of full back play where he showed his inexperience there particularly in defence.

total former · 03-09-2015 03:51PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I reckon Rowntree will be looking to give Furlong a real test. I think we'll see them leave Cole on, which would be a bit of a baptism of fire for him.

I reckon Rowntree won't care one way or the other, he'll do what's best for his team's RWC preparation, so Furlong will probably end up facing Kieran Brookes.

smiley_face · 03-09-2015 04:23PM

total former wrote: »

Dave K in the driving seat for the 11 jersey at RWC so.

It could be that way but I don't think this proves it yet, as Zebo is also playing and Fitzgerald is out injured, and Earls is out injured.
If Rob Kearney is out with a knock then it just means this is our best available formation for this match. (i.e. it is preferred to 15 DK/TB/RH/JP, 11 SZ).
Still possible that our preferred wing combination could be any of:
(I've placed them in order of my own personal preference as it stands now)
I could possibly start a dedicated thread to choosing wingers and put up a poll on it if people would be interested to vote on it...
1) 11 SZ, 14 DK
2) 11 SZ, 14 TB
3) 11 DK, 14 TB
4) 11 SZ, 14 KE
5) 11 DK, 14 KE
6) 11 LF, 14 DK
7) 11 LF, 14 TB
8) 11 LF, 14 KE
9) 11 KE, 14 DK
10) 11 KE, 14 TB

molloyjh · 03-09-2015 04:52PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

Not so sure about that. Everyone saying RK played well last Saturday. And he certainly didnt play badly. Just wondering is Schmidt looking to inject some zip and unpredictability into the attack by picking Zebo for this match? Zebo certainly impressed against Wales away and played as well as Kearney did against Wales against Scotland. In fact he was pretty flawless in the basics which lets face it are what Kearney is picked for. If Kearney is not injured then there is no other reason he shouldnt be picked for this match apart from the fact that Schmidt sees Zebo as a viable alternative to him at FB.

I reckon it's as much to give Zebo exposure to the 15 shirt as he will be playing there in the opening 2 games and will be back-up if Rob gets injured. It's the logical read I reckon.

And if anything it might guarantee Zebo the 23 shirt for the bigger games. Having Zebo covering numerous places from the bench with either Fitz or Earls at 11 provides cover for the entire back line (Mads covering 10 and 12).

smiley_face · 03-09-2015 05:46PM

molloyjh wrote: »

I reckon it's as much to give Zebo exposure to the 15 shirt as he will be playing there in the opening 2 games and will be back-up if Rob gets injured. It's the logical read I reckon.

And if anything it might guarantee Zebo the 23 shirt for the bigger games. Having Zebo covering numerous places from the bench with either Fitz or Earls at 11 provides cover for the entire back line (Mads covering 10 and 12).

Agree with Point 1 as far as Zebo need game time at 15 before the RWC. I said it a few days ago, Zebo, Dave Kearney and Bowe all need game time.
Rob Kearney has nothing to prove now, so testing Zebo is a good idea.
(Also possibility that Rob is minding a slight knock.)

Point 2 not so sure I'd agree with entirely.
I'd pick your best wing combination before worrying about the bench cover if possible.
The formations where he is 11 or 23 are closely the same really. Depends if you want him starting or not. Either way Luke Fitz doesn't match.
i.e.
11 SZ + 14 DK/TB/KE + 23 DK/TB/KE ≈ 11 DK + 14 TB/KE + 23 SZ

Tox56 · 03-09-2015 05:59PM

smiley_face wrote: »

Agree with Point 1 as far as Zebo need game time at 15 before the RWC. I said it a few days ago, Zebo, Dave Kearney and Bowe all need game time.
Rob Kearney has nothing to prove now, so testing Zebo is a good idea.
(Also possibility that Rob is minding a slight knock.)

Point 2 not so sure I'd agree with entirely.
I'd pick your best wing combination before worrying about the bench cover if possible.
The formations where he is 11 or 23 are closely the same really. Depends if you want him starting or not. Either way Luke Fitz doesn't match.
i.e.
11 SZ + 14 DK/TB/KE + 23 DK/TB/KE ≈ 11 DK + 14 TB/KE + 23 SZ

The fact Fitz started in our last competitive game when we had pretty much the same players available you would suggest there's at least one possible combination with him in it

smiley_face · 03-09-2015 06:02PM

Tox56 wrote: »

The fact Fitz started in our last competitive game when we had pretty much the same players available you would suggest there's at least one possible combination with him in it

Absolutely there are, not suggesting otherwise, but if Zebo is 11 or 23 then Luke wouldn't be a good 11 or 23 as they both cover left wing but not right wing.
Loads of combinations with Luke Fitz starting or benching. I'll post later on that.
Also I was assuming 12 Henshaw 13 Payne and 15 R Kearney.
If you put Earls or Bowe at 13 you could have them both covering 11 and 23 I suppose, but that's not 1st choice selection IMO.

The Rape of Lucretia · 03-09-2015 06:45PM

Tox56 wrote: »

The fact Fitz started in our last competitive game when we had pretty much the same players available you would suggest there's at least one possible combination with him in it

There surely is. The same one as for Earls on the bench:
In the Rob injury situation, Paynser to fullback, and Earlsie or Geraldsie in to 13.

The Rape of Lucretia · 03-09-2015 06:46PM

smiley_face wrote: »

Point 2 not so sure I'd agree with entirely.
I'd pick your best wing combination before worrying about the bench cover if possible.
The formations where he is 11 or 23 are closely the same really. Depends if you want him starting or not. Either way Luke Fitz doesn't match.
i.e.
11 SZ + 14 DK/TB/KE + 23 DK/TB/KE ≈ 11 DK + 14 TB/KE + 23 SZ

See above for the solution to your equation.

Coburger · 03-09-2015 07:02PM

smiley_face wrote: »

Agree with Point 1 as far as Zebo need game time at 15 before the RWC. I said it a few days ago, Zebo, Dave Kearney and Bowe all need game time.
Rob Kearney has nothing to prove now, so testing Zebo is a good idea.
(Also possibility that Rob is minding a slight knock.)

I've always wondered if he can prove he can pass the ball when attacking ;-)

connachta · 03-09-2015 07:41PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

There surely is. The same one as for Earls on the bench:
In the Rob injury situation, Paynser to fullback, and Earlsie or Geraldsie in to 13.

For once we agree 100%

smiley_face · 03-09-2015 08:45PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

See above for the solution to your equation.

That's not a solution for an injury on the right wing. Unless you want to put Payne on the right wing. I wouldn't have that as my 1st choice formation anyway.

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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