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The Irish language is failing.

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  • #2342
    Shep_Dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭Shep_Dog


    Dughorm wrote: »
    Who knows - I guess the producers would decide. Would you consider listening in to find out?
    I prefer to listen to Irish music and a presenter speaking our melodiuos, witty, native hiberno-English.

    Hip-hop or techno with an Irish-language DJ would just be sad. It would represent all that is bizarre in the Irish language movement.


  • #2343
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shep_Dog wrote: »
    I prefer to listen to Irish music and a presenter speaking our melodiuos, witty, native hiberno-English.

    Hip-hop or techno with an Irish-language DJ would just be sad. It would represent all that is bizarre in the Irish language movement.
    I-Radio has a DJ who speaks mostly English, but smatters her patter with a large number of Irish words.

    "And Anseo we have tar éis the Nuacht some coel nua!" and the like.


  • #2344
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Spare me. I'm referring to the likes of RnaG, Foras na Gaeilge, TG4 and any other inept state enterprise which is as unfit for purpose as that joke of a curriculum.

    I don't really follow RnaG or Foras na Gaeilge but I like watching programmes on TG4? What exactly makes TG4 an "inept state enterprise"?


  • #2345
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,535 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dughorm wrote: »
    I don't really follow RnaG or Foras na Gaeilge but I like watching programmes on TG4? What exactly makes TG4 an "inept state enterprise"?

    Most of the programming was in English the last time I was watching it. In any case, why should the taxpayer be forced into paying for it?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2346
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I-Radio has a DJ who speaks mostly English, but smatters her patter with a large number of Irish words.

    "And Anseo we have tar éis the Nuacht some coel nua!" and the like.

    Classy!:D


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  • #2347
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Most of the programming was in English the last time I was watching it. In any case, why should the taxpayer be forced into paying for it?

    Could say the same for RTÉ? Are you anti-State broadcasting or part of the Capitalista brigade in media in general?

    Funnily enough, I am watching a series called "An Bronntanas" on TG4 at the moment (pretty decent btw) but it's gas how the characters break into English at times, especially if they are getting angry!


  • #2348
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,535 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dughorm wrote: »
    Could say the same for RTÉ? Are you anti-State broadcasting or part of the Capitalista brigade in media in general?

    Funnily enough, I am watching a series called "An Bronntanas" on TG4 at the moment (pretty decent btw) but it's gas how the characters break into English at times, especially if they are getting angry!

    That's your justification? TG4 is like an other "pro-Irish" endeavour the state has initiated; completely worthless. It's barely any better than RTÉ. Let the people who actually watch it pay for it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2349
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    That's your justification? TG4 is like an other "pro-Irish" endeavour the state has initiated; completely worthless. It's barely any better than RTÉ. Let the people who actually watch it pay for it.

    Justification for what? Your post complained that there wasn't enough Irish language programming on TG4 and then made a swipe at publicly funded television...?

    Let the people who watch the Late Late Show pay for it too! The point is that Public Service Broadcasting is a facility available to all who pay the TV licence fee.

    Do you only want private media outlets? Let "the market" decide is it?


  • #2350
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,535 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dughorm wrote: »
    Justification for what? Your post complained that there wasn't enough Irish language programming on TG4 and then made a swipe at publicly funded television...?

    Let the people who watch the Late Late Show pay for it too! The point is that Public Service Broadcasting is a facility available to all who pay the TV licence fee.

    Do you only want private media outlets? Let "the market" decide is it?

    I just hate to see taxpayers' money being wasted on things that aren't fit for purpose. At least if TG4 were in Irish you could applaud it for trying at least.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2351
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I just hate to see taxpayers' money being wasted on things that aren't fit for purpose. At least if TG4 were in Irish you could applaud it for trying at least.

    But it is and I've no doubt they're doing their best with the resources they have.

    Your argument amounts to giving a man in the desert a fishing rod and then complaining he isn't landing any fish!


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  • #2352
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,535 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Dughorm wrote: »
    But it is and I've no doubt they're doing their best with the resources they have.

    We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Irish state officials aren't famous for being effective, parsimonious individuals.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2353
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Irish state officials aren't famous for being effective, parsimonious individuals.

    But it's "independent" ;)

    According to its website:
    TG4, the Irish language television channel is an independent statutory entity (Teilifís na Gaeilge).

    Edit: TG4 invests over €20m annually in original Irish programming from the independent production sector in Ireland.
    This investment supports 350 posts in small private sector companies throughout the island.

    Not bad...


  • #2354
    Carlos Orange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    Dughorm wrote: »
    Edit: TG4 invests over €20m annually in original Irish programming from the independent production sector in Ireland.
    This investment supports 350 posts in small private sector companies throughout the island.

    Not bad...

    €60,000 a job is more like paying for something than supporting it.


  • #2355
    Reiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Reiver


    Shep_Dog wrote: »
    I prefer to listen to Irish music and a presenter speaking our melodiuos, witty, native hiberno-English.

    Depends on the variety now. I'd probably chuck the radio out the window if the presenter was from the midlands.


  • #2356
    Shep_Dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭Shep_Dog


    Dughorm wrote: »
    But it's "independent" ;)

    According to its website:
    TG4, the Irish language television channel is an independent statutory entity (Teilifís na Gaeilge).

    Edit: TG4 invests over €20m annually in original Irish programming from the independent production sector in Ireland.
    This investment supports 350 posts in small private sector companies throughout the island.

    Not bad...
    It gets €32m from the government.


  • #2357
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Shep_Dog wrote: »
    It gets €32m from the government.

    RTE Two gets €92m, but considering TG4 has won the rights to the Pro12, Tour de France and the National Leagues, supports home-grown documentaries and various musical series, it's arguable that it spends the budget it does receive more effectively. On the use of English programming, it's not ideal, but S4C, BBC Alba and indeed Basque TV channels follow the same model.


  • #2358
    Shep_Dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭Shep_Dog


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    RTE Two gets €92m, but considering TG4 has won the rights to the Pro12, Tour de France and the National Leagues, supports home-grown documentaries and various musical series, it's arguable that it spends the budget it does receive more effectively.
    I'd doubt if the bidding for Irish-language broadcast rights for the Tour de France was particularly intense. And I'm sure it gets those Irish cultural gems 'Bonanza' and 'RawHide' quite cheaply.

    It is, admittedly an effective way of channeling public money to the Irish-language industry.

    A true measure of the vitality of Irish would be if the Irish-language community could pay for its own media. Instead it has become dependent on the charity of English-speakers.


  • #2359
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Shep_Dog wrote: »
    I'd doubt if the bidding for Irish-language broadcast rights for the Tour de France was particularly intense. And I'm sure it gets those Irish cultural gems 'Bonanza' and 'RawHide' quite cheaply.

    It is, admittedly an effective way of channeling public money to the Irish-language industry.

    A true measure of the vitality of Irish would be if the Irish-language community could pay for its own media. Instead it has become dependent on the charity of English-speakers.

    If the licence fee is to be rejected for a PSB, how do you propose it would be paid for? Presumably, the Irish-language community doesn't differ from the general community in percentages subscribing to packages, so that option is out, too!


  • #2360
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Gael Mire wrote: »
    Like the constant parroting about how Irish is a dead language and its (handful of) speakers are all backward Conamara sheep farmers that Gaelophobes delight in engaging in?
    The first bit is true. The rest has been said by about the same percentage of posters here as there are regular Irish speakers in Ireland.


  • #2361
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Dughorm wrote: »
    Apathy?
    Poor teaching?
    Lack of confidence?
    Emotional hostility?

    Any others that haven't been covered?
    How about "everybody speaks English already so couldn't be bothered"? You seem to insist on missing that one for some reason.
    Dughorm wrote: »
    And Irish hasn't failed, sure as Dan_Solo said, Irish only died recently, plenty of time to turn things around.
    And like I said, ask a doctor what they can do with a patient who "died recently". Dead is dead.


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  • #2362
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    If the licence fee is to be rejected for a PSB, how do you propose it would be paid for
    Imagine how long Irish media would last if there was no government handouts... a week, tops?


  • #2363
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    How about "everybody speaks English already so couldn't be bothered"? You seem to insist on missing that one for some reason.

    Like I said... apathy.
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    And like I said, ask a doctor what they can do with a patient who "died recently". Dead is dead.

    People may die, languages, memories and ideas go on!


  • #2364
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Dughorm wrote: »
    Like I said... apathy.
    You could call anything that pretty much nobody wants to do "apathy" I guess. There's a somewhat implied sense from that word that there's something actually wrong with ignoring it though. "Irrelevance" would be closer to the mark.
    Dughorm wrote: »
    People may die, languages, memories and ideas go on!
    But languages don't if nobody speaks them. That's a fact.


  • #2365
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    You could call anything that pretty much nobody wants to do "apathy" I guess. There's a somewhat implied sense from that word that there's something actually wrong with ignoring it though. "Irrelevance" would be closer to the mark.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apathy

    I only go on the normal definition of the word apathy not "somewhat implied senses" that you're reading into the word.
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    But languages don't if nobody speaks them. That's a fact.

    And yet people do speak it and another cohort have the ability to do so if they so choose...


  • #2366
    jigglypuffstuff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭jigglypuffstuff


    Do people still care about this old useless language??


  • #2367
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    pone2012 wrote: »
    Do people still care about this old useless language??

    Yes.


  • #2368
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pone2012 wrote: »
    Do people still care about this old useless language??
    Well after 2000+ posts in this thread alone and shedloads in other threads, i think the answer is....


    YES!

    With a passion, quite a few desperately trying to bury it and nearly as many defending it!


  • #2369
    jigglypuffstuff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭jigglypuffstuff


    Dughorm wrote: »
    Yes.

    Then they should probably stop..it serves little purpose besides p*ssing off a bunch of children and teenagers who have to study a language that literally has no practical use whatsoever

    waste of time, energy, money and effort imo


  • #2370
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    LordSutch wrote: »
    True or False?

    Is it true that all Primary school children in Ireland have their Christian name translated into Irish, to be used in school? Or has that practice ceased in recent years?

    It certainly happened in my day, but maybe with today's multicultural population they can't translate non Gaelic/Anglo names into Irish?

    Anyone know . . . . .

    I had fun with this in school about 13 years ago. I'm the only one of 2 people in the country that I know of with my surname (including my father) as its foreign and rare enough in that country. Each year the teacher would try to get my name in Irish and fail.


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  • #2371
    Dughorm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Dughorm


    pone2012 wrote: »
    Then they should probably stop..it serves little purpose besides p*ssing off a bunch of children and teenagers who have to study a language that literally has no practical use whatsoever

    waste of time, energy, money and effort imo

    How passive! Make something of it or use your ingenuity to get yourself an exemption if it annoys you so much!


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